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New South Ferry station to reopen in June

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As a Staten Island resident who needs to catch the ferry and found the crawl into the newer, deeper South Ferry station to be slower than the current (hold the train at Rector to let people move to the first 5 cars) setup.....BOOOOO!  :angry:

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That's great! I won't need to go all the way to the ferry terminal just to get the (1).

 

What do you mean? The physical station is still going to be at South Ferry.

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I guess the new station had an entrance closer to wherever he's coming from.

The only entrance I can think of is that small one they built at the side of Battery Park near Bowling Green.

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And what they should do is when the work on the Clark Street Tunnel starts, they should use BOTH SF terminals on weekends if it means they can more easily have the (1)(2) and (3) all terminate there (while running the (4) and (5) to Brooklyn at all times during such).  The (1) can use the old terminal while the (2) and (3) use the new one on weekends in that scenario.

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And what they should do is when the work on the Clark Street Tunnel starts, they should use BOTH SF terminals on weekends if it means they can more easily have the (1)(2) and (3) all terminate there (while running the (4) and (5) to Brooklyn at all times during such).  The (1) can use the old terminal while the (2) and (3) use the new one on weekends in that scenario.

WHY DO YOU NEED TO TURN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SUBWAY THREAD INTO A PROPSALS THREAD?

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WHY DO YOU NEED TO TURN ALMOST EVERY SINGLE SUBWAY THREAD INTO A PROPSALS THREAD?

I see no problems with it as long as the proposals are decently relevant to the threads, and contribute to the conversation.

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And what they should do is when the work on the Clark Street Tunnel starts, they should use BOTH SF terminals on weekends if it means they can more easily have the (1)(2) and (3) all terminate there (while running the (4) and (5) to Brooklyn at all times during such).  The (1) can use the old terminal while the (2) and (3) use the new one on weekends in that scenario.

That makes things much more confusing. Commuters used to seeing all "red trains" in one place, would have to pick and choose which platform they want. Besides, the whole point of building a new platform is to stop using the old, slow outer loop for service. Also, (1)(2) and (3) all running in the same tunnel south of Chambers would make a whole lot of congestion.

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That makes things much more confusing. Commuters used to seeing all "red trains" in one place, would have to pick and choose which platform they want. Besides, the whole point of building a new platform is to stop using the old, slow outer loop for service. Also, (1)(2) and (3) all running in the same tunnel south of Chambers would make a whole lot of congestion.

We are talking about weekends, not weekdays.  Far fewer trains overall running then.

 

The idea is on weekends, the (1) uses the loop, the (2) and (3) use the new station.  That way, you can have all three lines terminating at South Ferry (during the week, the loop would be closed). 

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We are talking about weekends, not weekdays.  Far fewer trains overall running then.

 

The idea is on weekends, the (1) uses the loop, the (2) and (3) use the new station.  That way, you can have all three lines terminating at South Ferry (during the week, the loop would be closed). 

That's still going to be a problem, between Chambers and Rector where all three trains would share track; factor in the time spent waiting at Rector to allow (1) passengers to move up to the first 5 cars and this plan is impossible to implement.

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It's not bad actually beucause this way you can have the (2) and (3) running express in Manhattan technically.

That's still going to be a problem, between Chambers and Rector where all three trains would share track; factor in the time spent waiting at Rector to allow (1) passengers to move up to the first 5 cars and this plan is impossible to implement.

how long does it take people to move into the first five cars.not a big deal on weekends

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Why not use the loop but not the station, the same way the 6 turns around at the old City Hall station but doesn't stop there?

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If anything, the (1) should be running to and from new South Ferry at all times, and the (2)(3) use the loop during Fix and Fortify weekends. The loop station should be permanently closed to save cost, since it is the currently the capacity bottleneck of the Broadway local services.

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If anything, the (1) should be running to and from new South Ferry at all times, and the (2)(3) use the loop during Fix and Fortify weekends. The loop station should be permanently closed to save cost, since it is the currently the capacity bottleneck of the Broadway local services.

It’s not a bottleneck once new South Ferry opens. Keeping it open can only increase throughput since the loop can turn around a third train.

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It’s not a bottleneck once new South Ferry opens. Keeping it open can only increase throughput since the loop can turn around a third train.

 

I meant that the loop platform should be closed: the stop is inconvenient since only the first 5 cars of the train can open, and it's not a true terminal for a really long local line. (1) trains need to use the new two-track terminal at all times.

 

As for the loop track, it will remain available for (1) and maybe (2)(3) trains in the future to turn around, just like its counterpart on the (5).

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It’s not a bottleneck once new South Ferry opens. Keeping it open can only increase throughput since the loop can turn around a third train.

That is exactly why I do it.  It allows for THREE lines to terminate at South Ferry on weekends.

 

The loop platform would ONLY be open on weekends in this format.  The reason I would have the (1) use the loop station is their C/Rs are used to having that situation with old SF (though in theory, you can also have the (3) terminate on the loop since those C/Rs do it at 145).  

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That is exactly why I do it.  It allows for THREE lines to terminate at South Ferry on weekends.

 

The loop platform would ONLY be open on weekends in this format.  The reason I would have the (1) use the loop station is their C/Rs are used to having that situation with old SF (though in theory, you can also have the (3) terminate on the loop since those C/Rs do it at 145).  

That’s not what 3 tracks are for. A pair of tracks is good for turning 1 route. 3 tracks is good for turning at most 2 routes.

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That’s not what 3 tracks are for. A pair of tracks is good for turning 1 route. 3 tracks is good for turning at most 2 routes.

On weekdays, certainly.  This is a WEEKEND situation when trains overall are less frequent.

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That is exactly why I do it.  It allows for THREE lines to terminate at South Ferry on weekends.

 

The loop platform would ONLY be open on weekends in this format.  The reason I would have the (1) use the loop station is their C/Rs are used to having that situation with old SF (though in theory, you can also have the (3) terminate on the loop since those C/Rs do it at 145).  

 

So conductors aren't allowed to switch between lines during their career? If they were on the (1) train while it was running through the old loop, that must mean they will remain on the (1) after the new station opens and if they were on a separate IRT line, they must remain on that line?

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So conductors aren't allowed to switch between lines during their career? If they were on the (1) train while it was running through the old loop, that must mean they will remain on the (1) after the new station opens and if they were on a separate IRT line, they must remain on that line?

I'm simply going by what they have been doing most recently in most (not all) cases.

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And what they should do is when the work on the Clark Street Tunnel starts, they should use BOTH SF terminals on weekends if it means they can more easily have the (1)(2) and (3) all terminate there (while running the (4) and (5) to Brooklyn at all times during such).  The (1) can use the old terminal while the (2) and (3) use the new one on weekends in that scenario.

They won't and they shouldn't. Once the full-length platform reopens, the loop station will be taken out of service and the gap filler mechanisms will likely be removed as they were in 2009. If they keep the loop platform operational, it will be an added expense, one that has very few benefits outside of reroute purposes.

 

We are talking about weekends, not weekdays.  Far fewer trains overall running then.

 

The idea is on weekends, the (1) uses the loop, the (2) and (3) use the new station.  That way, you can have all three lines terminating at South Ferry (during the week, the loop would be closed). 

So, under your idea, the (1) would serve the new platform except at certain times when it doesn't. Again, this is what I mean about keeping things simple. Unless it's necessary, there's no need to make all these arbitrary changes. Moving the (1) to fit the (3) in the new station doesn't count towards that. Stuff like that does nothing except needlessly confuse riders.

 

It’s not a bottleneck once new South Ferry opens. Keeping it open can only increase throughput since the loop can turn around a third train.

You may have additional terminal capacity with both stations in play, but it's lost by running all three 7th Avenue services on the same two tracks between Chambers St and South Ferry. 

 

Or they could just terminate (3) to 14 St, and (1)(2) to South Ferry.

Nah. That makes too much sense. We must make everything as complicated as possible.

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