Mtatransit Posted January 25 Share #1 Posted January 25 https://www.njtransit.com/hearing Effective July 1st 2024 - One way ticket will expire in 30 days instead of forever - Flexipass will be discontinued - Annual 3% fare increase starting in 2025 Why are fares still not rounded to the near .25 is still beyond me. Requiring people to keep carrying dimes and nickel is ridiculous 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted January 25 Share #2 Posted January 25 4 hours ago, Mtatransit said: https://www.njtransit.com/hearing Effective July 1st 2024 - One way ticket will expire in 30 days instead of forever - Flexipass will be discontinued - Annual 3% fare increase starting in 2025 Why are fares still not rounded to the near .25 is still beyond me. Requiring people to keep carrying dimes and nickel is ridiculous They should be lowering the fares with the way they operate some of there lines...lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted January 25 Share #3 Posted January 25 4 hours ago, Mtatransit said: https://www.njtransit.com/hearing Effective July 1st 2024 - One way ticket will expire in 30 days instead of forever - Flexipass will be discontinued - Annual 3% fare increase starting in 2025 Why are fares still not rounded to the near .25 is still beyond me. Requiring people to keep carrying dimes and nickel is ridiculous couldn't the fares just be a flat $2.00 instead of making it $2.10 if they were to go that route? Least I use the app for fares now lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted January 25 Share #4 Posted January 25 Transit still can't pay their locomotive engineers, but somehow they have $400 million to move to a new HQ building. Make it make sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jass Posted January 25 Share #5 Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Mtatransit said: Why are fares still not rounded to the near .25 is still beyond me. Requiring people to keep carrying dimes and nickel is ridiculous Absolutely zero brain cells involved. Dwell time creates high costs. Management has never rideen a bus in their lives so they dont understand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 25 Share #6 Posted January 25 10 hours ago, Mtatransit said: https://www.njtransit.com/hearing Questions: Why are passengers traveling interstate not allowed to buy or use transfers? Why are fares lower in the Southern Division than in the Northern Division? Why are zone increments higher for interstate routes than for intrastate? NJT's costs for continuing from one town to the next don't change based on where the passenger boarded, yet one passenger might pay 50 cents extra while another pays 75 cents extra. (My thought: Maybe keep the fare at $2 for the first local zone, $0.75 for each additional zone, and a flat surcharge to cross the river.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted January 25 Share #7 Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: Why are passengers traveling interstate not allowed to buy or use transfers? You can't enforce the interstate fare structure if transfers were allowed. Pax would buy to the closest point from NYC and then transition to the intrastate fare structure. 1 hour ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: Why are fares lower in the Southern Division than in the Northern Division? Higher incomes and service density. 1 hour ago, Gotham Bus Co. said: Why are zone increments higher for interstate routes than for intrastate? NJT's costs for continuing from one town to the next don't change based on where the passenger boarded, yet one passenger might pay 50 cents extra while another pays 75 cents extra. Interstate operations ARE more expensive per mile because of tolls and charges at the PABT. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 25 Share #8 Posted January 25 16 minutes ago, JAzumah said: Interstate operations ARE more expensive per mile because of tolls and charges at the PABT. If I board the bus in ThisTown and ride to ThatTown, why do I pay less to cross the zone barrier than someone else who boarded in NY? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNR Beacon Line Posted January 26 Share #9 Posted January 26 5 hours ago, jass said: Absolutely zero brain cells involved. Dwell time creates high costs. Management has never rideen a bus in their lives so they dont understand. The same management that buys cruiser buses for busy Hudson County routes. Have you ever tried to get off an MCI with 8 people standing in the aisle? It’s absolutely awful. Nobody managing NJT has ridden a bus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 26 Share #10 Posted January 26 @Gotham Bus Co. I would tend to agree with your structure....just charge the intrastate fare and then a surcharge to cross the river. An extreme example is the 317 from Asbury Park to Phiadelphia...I think it's $9.75 to Camden, but $21+ to Philly, even though getting off and reboarding would only cost you $1.95 for the Camden - Philly leg. (Some routes have their boundary at Bridge Plaza while others have it at WRTC...though the 317 itself might be the only one that has it at WRTC, I forget offhand) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted January 26 Share #11 Posted January 26 What's preventing you from just buying a cheaper fare and staying onboard the bus? How do bus operators keep track of who paid to cross the river? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNR Beacon Line Posted January 26 Share #12 Posted January 26 6 minutes ago, danielhg121 said: What's preventing you from just buying a cheaper fare and staying onboard the bus? How do bus operators keep track of who paid to cross the river? They will kick you off. If the bus is crowded or depending on the driver you might get away with it. But others will remember people's faces and they will stop the bus and make you pay more or kick you off. In my experience the NJT operators are not scared to enforce the fare like how NYCT operators are. I don't see fare evasion on the NJT routes I ride. In NYC enforcing the fare is considered a safety issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted January 26 Share #13 Posted January 26 7 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said: @Gotham Bus Co. I would tend to agree with your structure....just charge the intrastate fare and then a surcharge to cross the river. An extreme example is the 317 from Asbury Park to Phiadelphia...I think it's $9.75 to Camden, but $21+ to Philly, even though getting off and reboarding would only cost you $1.95 for the Camden - Philly leg. (Some routes have their boundary at Bridge Plaza while others have it at WRTC...though the 317 itself might be the only one that has it at WRTC, I forget offhand) No route has the boundary at Bridge Plaza. Anything from Philly to WRTC is 1.95, if you are going past WRTC, it’s 3.05. The expresses have to change the zone by default once leaving Bridge Plaza because they don’t service WRTC; the 408X stops at WRTC is stupid, it kills the time saving on that trip. North Camden people don’t have that option of 1.95 unless they was to get off and get back on and pay again. All of Camden is zone 2 except for WRTC when going to/from Philly. Buses that start/end at WRTC remain zone 2 1.60 for all of Camden. A lot of people in Camden will take the bus to WRTC then get on PATCO. They don’t realize they are paying more to do that, but to them it sounds cheaper. 3.40 with patco; 3.05 if you stay on njt. Brooklawn Express Zone 1-3, 4.25 Gloucester Express Zone 1-3, 4.25 If you want to get off at Bridge Plaza coming from zone 3-2 it’s 2.25. This is for the Brooklawn and Gloucester Expresses 402,408,410,412. WRTC to Philly 1.95(anything in between) Philly to WRTC 1.95(anything in between) Philly to Camden 3.05(anything past wrtc) Camden to Philly 3.05(anything past wrtc) These people know to specify Camden or WRTC for the correct fare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 26 Share #14 Posted January 26 11 hours ago, MNR Beacon Line said: They will kick you off. If the bus is crowded or depending on the driver you might get away with it. But others will remember people's faces and they will stop the bus and make you pay more or kick you off. What if you get off the bus and then get back on? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted January 27 Share #15 Posted January 27 On 1/25/2024 at 4:06 PM, Gotham Bus Co. said: If I board the bus in ThisTown and ride to ThatTown, why do I pay less to cross the zone barrier than someone else who boarded in NY? NJT interstate buses incur tolls and platform fees to operate between NY and NJ. That cost has to be allocated. On 1/25/2024 at 8:51 PM, checkmatechamp13 said: I would tend to agree with your structure....just charge the intrastate fare and then a surcharge to cross the river. A flat surcharge is regressive. It spikes our friends along the NJ waterfront with inflated fares. Spreading out the impact across zones is much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 27 Share #16 Posted January 27 On 1/25/2024 at 1:52 PM, jass said: Absolutely zero brain cells involved. Dwell time creates high costs. Management has never rideen a bus in their lives so they dont understand. The railroads tend to see a mix of high and low platforms with little tangible effort in changing that to a single standard. The trains are high-floor. I think that should tell you everything you need to know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Bus Co. Posted January 27 Share #17 Posted January 27 5 hours ago, JAzumah said: NJT interstate buses incur tolls and platform fees to operate between NY and NJ. That cost has to be allocated. A flat surcharge is regressive. It spikes our friends along the NJ waterfront with inflated fares. Spreading out the impact across zones is much better. Then maybe every route should get the Interstate/Intra-commuter zone structure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 28 Share #18 Posted January 28 On 1/27/2024 at 11:30 AM, JAzumah said: NJT interstate buses incur tolls and platform fees to operate between NY and NJ. That cost has to be allocated. A flat surcharge is regressive. It spikes our friends along the NJ waterfront with inflated fares. Spreading out the impact across zones is much better. That's the whole point of his idea to have one fare scale with a surcharge to cross the river, rather than two separate scales. Under his idea, an intra-Newark trip would be $2. (Currently $1.60 and proposed to be $1.80). A Newark- Bloomfield trip becomes $2.75 (currently $2.55, proposed to be $2.90). A Newark - West Caldwell trip becomes $3.50 (currently $3.15, proposed to be $3.60). Going out from the Hudson River, a trip to Union City becomes $4.75 (currently $3.50, proposed to be $4), a trip to Jersey City or Hackensack becomes $5.50 (currently $4.50, proposed to be $5.20 IIRC), a trip to Newark, Clifton/Passaic, or Bayonne becomes $6.25 (currently $6, proposed to be $6.90). The initial charge and increments can be adjusted (e.g. $1.75 instead of $2) and the zone charges can fluctuate (e.g. $0.50 instead of $0.75). Special fares can be calculated for 1 zone interstate if necessary 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted January 29 Share #19 Posted January 29 On 1/27/2024 at 11:30 AM, JAzumah said: On 1/25/2024 at 4:06 PM, Gotham Bus Co. said: NJT interstate buses incur tolls and platform fees to operate between NY and NJ. That cost has to be allocated. Does the PANYNJ give discounts to NJT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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