Planned Subway Service Changes

[Wallyhorse]

On 6/11/2023 at 6:26 AM, Kamen Rider said:

Considering the mad rush from the F coming from Queens to the 96th street bound Q I see every morning while working the F or the Q… yeah, not going to happen if they can get away with it.

everyone then gets off one stop later at 72 street and starts hiking toward New York Presbyterian… it’s already the 30th busiest station, and just so many people in scrubs it’s not funny.

Not a surprise at all.  Also explains why there is an exit at 69th Street on the south end.  

[Lawrence St]

On 6/7/2023 at 9:18 PM, Chris89292 said:

 Looks like the 63rd Street project is back on track, New starting date is August 2023 (Subject to change)

Proposed Weekday Service Plan - Revised
• One track out of service between 57 St/6 Av
and 36 St
• via 53 St   line in both directions
• No trains on Queens Blvd 
• from Ridgewood & Brooklyn terminates at 57 St/6 Av, 6 AM-9 PM 
• Reduced   service rush hours
• Increased service
• shuttle train between Lex Av/63 St and 21 St-Queensbridge, every 20 minutes 
• Free shuttle bus between 21 St- Queensbridge and Queens Plaza

Proposed Overnight Service Plan - Revised
• Both tracks out of service between 57 St/6
Av and 36 St, seven nights per week
• Overnight service
• via 53 St   line in both directions 
• shuttle train suspended 
• Free shuttle bus between Roosevelt Island, 21 St-Queensbridge, and Queens Plaza
• No service at 57 St/6 Av

Proposed Weekend Service Plan - Revised
• One track out of service between 57 St/6 Av
and 36 St
• Weekend service
• via 53 St   line in both directions 
• normal service in both directions 
• shuttle train between Lex Av/63 St and 21 St-Queensbridge, every 20 minutes 
• Free shuttle bus between 21 St- Queensbridge and Queens Plaza
• No service at 57 St/6 Av
• Selected weekends with both tracks out of service, shuttle buses provided, dates TBD

Why not run the  all the way to 21st St-Queensbridge instead? Alternate between 57th St-6th Ave and 21st St Queensbridge!

[Daniel The Cool]

22 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Why not run the  all the way to 21st St-Queensbridge instead? Alternate between 57th St-6th Ave and 21st St Queensbridge!

Because the tracks between those sections will be closed...

Edited June 14, 2023 by Daniel The Cool

[Lawrence St]

2 minutes ago, Daniel The Cool said:

Because the tracks between those sections will be closed...

And where does it say that...

[JustTheSIR]

7 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

And where does it say that...

Well, they’re working on the tracks somewhere between 57th and Lex/63rd

[Chris89292]

Changes coming soon to the  express service

Starting on June 26,  express will run local in both directions between 74th Street Broadway and Queensboro Plaza, Express rush hour service will run between 74th Street Broadway and Main Street

What’s happening? Structural repairs at Woodside 61st Street

Alternative options:  

[Lawrence St]

4 minutes ago, Chris89292 said:

Changes coming soon to the  express service

Starting on June 26,  express will run local in both directions between 74th Street Broadway and Queensboro Plaza, Express rush hour service will run between 74th Street Broadway and Main Street

What’s happening? Structural repairs at Woodside 61st Street

Alternative options:  

I know them trains gonna be PACKED!

[Far rockaway]

Is the Manhattan Bound Platform at the Sutphin Blvd  station getting some work done requiring to be closed for an extended period of time because it's listed underneath a GO that is requiring trains running express in one direction from Jamaica 179th St to Forest Hills 71st Ave. It's listed around the third weekend of July. 

Also there would be no train service between Jamaica Center and Kew Gardens-Union Tpk starting July 8 every weekend until early August. 

LIRR trains would be cross honoring between Jamaica and Penn Station during this GO.

[Chris89292]

1 hour ago, Far rockaway said:

Is the Manhattan Bound Platform at the Sutphin Blvd  station getting some work done requiring to be closed for an extended period of time because it's listed underneath a GO that is requiring trains running express in one direction from Jamaica 179th St to Forest Hills 71st Ave. It's listed around the third weekend of July. 

Also there would be no train service between Jamaica Center and Kew Gardens-Union Tpk starting July 8 every weekend until early August. 

LIRR trains would be cross honoring between Jamaica and Penn Station during this GO.

The  is running express because of electrical improvements, not sure why the Manhattan bound platforms will be closed, it’s probably part of the station ReNEWation program I don’t know

[nightmare402]

In Queens, the Manhattan-bound platform at Queensboro Plaza will be closed 

Beginning Jul 31, Mon 6:00 AM to Aug 14, Mon 5:00 AM

Use the nearby Queens Plaza station. 

Also, consider Court Sq or 33 St-Rawson St.

Transfer to/from the at: 

74 St-Broadway  

5 Av (42 St-Bryant Pk)  

Times Sq-42 St/Port Authority  

Additional travel alternatives:

For service to this station, take the to Court Sq and transfer to a Flushing-bound  . 

For service from this station, take the  to 33 St-Rawson St and transfer to a Manhattan-bound . 

What's happening?

We're making accessibility improvements

Posted: 07/07/2023 03:17 PM

[Lawrence St]

3 hours ago, nightmare402 said:

In Queens, the Manhattan-bound platform at Queensboro Plaza will be closed 

Beginning Jul 31, Mon 6:00 AM to Aug 14, Mon 5:00 AM

Use the nearby Queens Plaza station. 

Also, consider Court Sq or 33 St-Rawson St.

Transfer to/from the at: 

74 St-Broadway  

5 Av (42 St-Bryant Pk)  

Times Sq-42 St/Port Authority  

Additional travel alternatives:

For service to this station, take the to Court Sq and transfer to a Flushing-bound  . 

For service from this station, take the  to 33 St-Rawson St and transfer to a Manhattan-bound . 

What's happening?

We're making accessibility improvements

Posted: 07/07/2023 03:17 PM

Dam, the  is having all sorts of service changes this year.

[Chris89292]

7 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Dam, the  is having all sorts of service changes this year.

If only the MTA shutdown both 82nd and 111 street platforms, it’ll take just 5 months to complete both, later work on both 69 and 52 st, and lastly 103 street, where they could partially close it since it’s just one station they could work without having to close both platforms, the project will be completed by 2024, but the MTA opts to close partially

[Kamen Rider]

205th street Station will be closed for the month of august.

D service will operate between BPB and Stillwell. No concourse express (…again…)

B service will operate from 145th street at all times the B operates.

[darkstar8983]

1 hour ago, Kamen Rider said:

205th street Station will be closed for the month of august.

D service will operate between BPB and Stillwell. No concourse express (…again…)

B service will operate from 145th street at all times the B operates.

Does this mean that the  will have reduced rush hour service due to only having one track to turn its trains around at 145 St? or will the "excess trains" just lay up north of 145 St on the Concourse Express tracks between 145 St and 155 St. 

 

As for the  it will probably use the Concourse Yard tracks to turn around, so it can keep its trains at regular headways, since I'm assuming the  must use the center track the  normally uses

Edited July 17, 2023 by darkstar8983

[Calvin]

On Tuesday, July 25th up to Friday, the 28th: during midday hours from 9:45 AM up to 3 PM, trains will end at Kings Highway from Harlem-145 St relaying back to the said Brooklyn terminal.  trains will end at Brighton Beach at that time. Free shuttle buses are available for Brighton Beach, Ocean Parkway, West 8 St-NY Aquarium and Coney Island terminal. The cause of this change is track maintenace. 

[Lawrence St]

How come when they suspend service on the Brooklyn El west of Hewes St they always cut the  back to Myrtle Ave? At least run it to Hewes St to save people a transfer.

[darkstar8983]

9 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

How come when they suspend service on the Brooklyn El west of Hewes St they always cut the  back to Myrtle Ave? At least run it to Hewes St to save people a transfer.

There’s only one track available to turn trains around at Hewes St (middle track at Marcy Av). Now that you mention it why doesn’t the MTA turn trains around at Marcy Av using the side platforms, so that way the  uses the Manhattan bound platform and the  for example used the Queens bound platform? I’m pretty sure the corresponding signals are present to allow Marcy Av to be used as a terminal 

[danielhg121]

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

There’s only one track available to turn trains around at Hewes St (middle track at Marcy Av). Now that you mention it why doesn’t the MTA turn trains around at Marcy Av using the side platforms, so that way the  uses the Manhattan bound platform and the  for example used the Queens bound platform? I’m pretty sure the corresponding signals are present to allow Marcy Av to be used as a terminal 

Is it within fare control to do that? As in, can riders transfer from the Queens bound platform to Manhattan bound platform without getting double-charged?

[Kamen Rider]

7 hours ago, danielhg121 said:

Is it within fare control to do that? As in, can riders transfer from the Queens bound platform to Manhattan bound platform without getting double-charged?

when that happened in 1999 for the rebuild of the Williamsburg Bridge, they decked over the center track and built a platform, partly to allow people to cross between trains as the station does not have interdirectional connections. IN THEORY, we could operate out of Marcy single pocket but that's a lot of trouble, 

 

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1393

[Lawrence St]

12 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

There’s only one track available to turn trains around at Hewes St (middle track at Marcy Av). Now that you mention it why doesn’t the MTA turn trains around at Marcy Av using the side platforms, so that way the  uses the Manhattan bound platform and the  for example used the Queens bound platform? I’m pretty sure the corresponding signals are present to allow Marcy Av to be used as a terminal 

You have a point, but I always found Myrtle Ave to be a horrible terminal, especially since terminating  trains have to block the  from entering & leaving until it clears the block.

[CenSin]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

terminating  trains have to block the  from entering & leaving until it clears the block.

Do they really have to though? The  could go to Hewes Street while the  terminated on the middle track. Now there is one less possible train movement that blocks another.

[darkstar8983]

22 hours ago, CenSin said:

Do they really have to though? The  could go to Hewes Street while the  terminated on the middle track. Now there is one less possible train movement that blocks another.

1. The  and  regardless will cross over each other. All you would do is change which direction the overlapping happens.

2. And to a previous post, having the  ending at Marcy Av along with the  each assigned their own platforms wouldn't matter since both trains would head back to Queens from there. People just need to know that going up one set of stairs takes them to the  and one takes them up to the  - not hard. And this way, the services end at an ADA accessible station, access to the buses at WB Plaza.

3. Going off topic here for a bit, but Queens-bound during the PM rush, they should either have the  go express from Marcy Av to Myrtle Av-Broadway (making the  the local at that time), or make all three services local to Myrtle Av, then diverge, because you have the three routes merging at Essex St, to diverge at Marcy Av, then to cross over each other at Myrtle Av. I'm pretty sure no time is being saved here running the express in the afternoon, and its not even due to favorable switch configuration like in the morning, where both the and  can be kept moving and platform at the same time at Myrtle Av, with neither service crossing over each other, but only merging at Marcy Av to continue to Manhattan.

[CenSin]

On 7/24/2023 at 3:21 PM, darkstar8983 said:

On 7/23/2023 at 5:01 PM, CenSin said:

Do they really have to though? The  could go to Hewes Street while the  terminated on the middle track. Now there is one less possible train movement that blocks another.

1. The  and  regardless will cross over each other. All you would do is change which direction the overlapping happens.

Hmm… You’re actually right. While the - terminal swap would reduce the number of track intersections, the functional result is still the blockage of trains both entering and leaving the middle track. There is a quick fix for it via the addition of one slip switch east of the station and another switch west of the station, but the result is suboptimal from a passenger’s perspective, and that same effort could be put towards making Marcy Avenue a viable terminal instead.

[Wallyhorse]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:39 PM, CenSin said:

Hmm… You’re actually right. While the - terminal swap would reduce the number of track intersections, the functional result is still the blockage of trains both entering and leaving the middle track. There is a quick fix for it via the addition of one slip switch east of the station and another switch west of the station, but the result is suboptimal from a passenger’s perspective, and that same effort could be put towards making Marcy Avenue a viable terminal instead.

That I agree.  It's something I would look at doing anyway if it could somehow be done where Marcy became a three-track, two island platform station that can serve as a terminal in either direction when needed.  

[Lawrence St]

On 7/25/2023 at 7:39 PM, CenSin said:

Hmm… You’re actually right. While the - terminal swap would reduce the number of track intersections, the functional result is still the blockage of trains both entering and leaving the middle track. There is a quick fix for it via the addition of one slip switch east of the station and another switch west of the station, but the result is suboptimal from a passenger’s perspective, and that same effort could be put towards making Marcy Avenue a viable terminal instead.

Marcy Avenue can actually be a two island platform, one track needs to be pushed out to fit the secondary platform.

One thing I never understood is why Track M at Marcy Avenue does not feed directly into the bridge.