MHV9218 Posted October 29, 2014 Share #1 Posted October 29, 2014 I've been seeing a lot of more of these as of late, and not even at outdoor stations with leaves. Any changes in personnel or signaling that could lead to an increase? Over at West 4th St. s/b 8 Av express, overruns tend to be pretty rare. I've never seen a train roll past the edge of the platform (there's a lot of space), but what's happening a lot is that T/Os are going a few feet too far and missing the punch box. I saw a particularly embarrassing one today where a T/O overshot the box, had to get out of the cab and walk onto the platform. But his C/R didn't know and closed down on him while he was leaving the train, so the op got stuck in the doors and had to pull out his flashlight to signal the C/R, open up, walk over to the box, and then walk back into the cab (which he'd left open the whole time) and sit down. I'm not naming any more particulars, as I could only imagine how many ways he'd get written up for that one while I saw it happen. But then the next guy overshot, and the next guy too. Something up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacemak3r Posted October 30, 2014 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2014 If anything as of late, I've seen some and (D)'s pass the box a few times, the one where you press for the switch? Don't know the name for it. It's to the point the T/O's step out the cab to press the button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted October 30, 2014 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2014 Only thing I can think of, short of everyone forgetting how to drive, is that there is something making the rails slick. That or may be they should just move the punch box... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2014 next time you see the overrun, look for the 10 cars marker. maybe it disappear and of course you need to pull it to the curb to make sure the back of the train is in the station. that could be the reason. could it be new rookie?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted October 30, 2014 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2014 Strange, maybe the leaves are stuck to the train wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #6 Posted October 30, 2014 About 10 years ago I seen a T/O over run the punch on a Queens bound at Myrle Ave... T/O just got out the cab and pressed it, don't see the big deal TBH, he was an older guy too so I assume he had some years under his belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #7 Posted October 30, 2014 Maybe they have rookies out and about? I seem to notice the most issues with the newbies on the express buses... Don't know about the guys on the rails though. My train ride yesterday was smooth, both to and from my destination near Central Park West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted October 30, 2014 Share #8 Posted October 30, 2014 About 10 years ago I seen a T/O over run the punch on a Queens bound at Myrle Ave... T/O just got out the cab and pressed it, don't see the big deal TBH, he was an older guy too so I assume he had some years under his belt. lol the punch at Myrtle isn't on the platform side!!! He would have had to climb off the train to reach it Edit: Nevermind, you probably mean the express track lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted October 31, 2014 Share #9 Posted October 31, 2014 lol the punch at Myrtle isn't on the platform side!!! He would have had to climb off the train to reach it Edit: Nevermind, you probably mean the express track lol Yea, it was the express track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 31, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 31, 2014 I've only seen T/Os that undershoot. It's happened on the a month ago on consecutive days. It would come into the station, stop, and then crawl a few feet further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thAveExpress Posted October 31, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2014 I had an overrun this morning on the F, at Briarwood. He had to get out of his cab, out of the train and press the button. Then we just sat there for 3 minutes with the doors closed. Not sure why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted October 31, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2014 It's one thing to overshoot the stop marker of punch box, but it's another thing to put a panel, a door, or a car out of the station. I do know that with the PA-5 (which are almost an exact copy of R160s) they don't always respond the same every time. I haven't over run a station (yet), but I over run car markers several times a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted November 3, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 3, 2014 It's one thing to overshoot the stop marker of punch box, but it's another thing to put a panel, a door, or a car out of the station. I do know that with the PA-5 (which are almost an exact copy of R160s) they don't always respond the same every time. I haven't over run a station (yet), but I over run car markers several times a day. I'd keep that a secret. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted November 3, 2014 Share #14 Posted November 3, 2014 I'd keep that a secret. Why? It's not a big deal, if it were i wouldn't say anything. it's a fact of life, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted November 3, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 3, 2014 it hard to not to overrun. it hard with all that weight behind you and right time to apply brake. there tons of reasons why these train operator alway miss them. when i played the bve i alway overrun or under run i that game. i remember one time on saturday morning when the was local on 4 th ave , the train operator didn't want to stop local and he overruns a lot . it was overrun to the first set of doors on the r40 slant. After that station it was normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nostalgia Posted November 3, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 3, 2014 Why? It's not a big deal, if it were i wouldn't say anything. it's a fact of life, If you overrun, the conductor doesn't line up with the board. Does (s)he open the doors anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted November 3, 2014 Share #17 Posted November 3, 2014 They have to communicate with each other to make sure all the doors are in the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 3, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 3, 2014 it hard to not to overrun. it hard with all that weight behind you and right time to apply brake. there tons of reasons why these train operator alway miss them. when i played the bve i alway overrun or under run i that game. i remember one time on saturday morning when the was local on 4 th ave , the train operator didn't want to stop local and he overruns a lot . it was overrun to the first set of doors on the r40 slant. After that station it was normal. BVE is nothing like controlling a real train. It has literally zero things in common with it. Anyone who tells you otherwise is full of it. If you overrun, the conductor doesn't line up with the board. Does (s)he open the doors anyway? Not true. The conductor's board is not a five inch stripe. Many stations have large boards, it's possible to miss the marker by a small bit, with all doors in the station, and the conductor still on the board. Especially at punch locations. Most of us will take it easy at critical punch locations because of the importance of lining up, since you won't get a lineup if you don't and have to hear it from the tower if you can't punch. But in regards to the original post on this thread, West 4th is not a critical punch location...since if you miss that punch, there is another one at Canal St. When the C is routed via the express, the C has to punch at Canal St. anyway since there's no punch at West 4th for an 8 car train. It's likely those folks have just chosen to punch at Canal, and ballpark the marker at W4. When I work the A I'd rather punch at W4, since sometimes the lineup will be waiting leaving Canal, I won't have to wait for it, and if I have a new conductor, I don't have to wait and have them think we're getting held (holding lights are on when you don't have a lineup at Canal) and make an unnecessary announcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted November 3, 2014 It's one thing to overshoot the stop marker of punch box, but it's another thing to put a panel, a door, or a car out of the station. I do know that with the PA-5 (which are almost an exact copy of R160s) they don't always respond the same every time. I haven't over run a station (yet), but I over run car markers several times a day. Interesting to hear. And you're right, of course, that it's all very insignificant unless there's a chunk of the train beyond the platform. Most of us will take it easy at critical punch locations because of the importance of lining up, since you won't get a lineup if you don't and have to hear it from the tower if you can't punch. But in regards to the original post on this thread, West 4th is not a critical punch location...since if you miss that punch, there is another one at Canal St. When the C is routed via the express, the C has to punch at Canal St. anyway since there's no punch at West 4th for an 8 car train. It's likely those folks have just chosen to punch at Canal, and ballpark the marker at W4. When I work the A I'd rather punch at W4, since sometimes the lineup will be waiting leaving Canal, I won't have to wait for it, and if I have a new conductor, I don't have to wait and have them think we're getting held (holding lights are on when you don't have a lineup at Canal) and make an unnecessary announcement. Ah, so that explains why I occasionally see ops on the A skip the punch at W4. The ones I was referring to hadn't done that though; one op missed the marker, left the cab and walked over to the box, and that's where the issue came when the C/R closed down on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted November 4, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 4, 2014 If you overrun, the conductor doesn't line up with the board. Does (s)he open the doors anyway? There is generally some leeway at every station, sometimes this is a foot or two in either direction or a car or two. Plus I work on PATH and since the conductor works in the first and second car, if the first car has a door out of the station, announcements are made for people to walk to the next car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 4, 2014 Share #21 Posted November 4, 2014 I was riding the PATCO with a friend who works for the Subways as maintenance superintendent and we overshot one of the stations and he had to back up. He tells me that in the TA, they'll crucify you if you overshoot and back up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 4, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 4, 2014 I was riding the PATCO with a friend who works for the Subways as maintenance superintendent and we overshot one of the stations and he had to back up. He tells me that in the TA, they'll crucify you if you overshoot and back up I thought PATCO was ATO? "Backing up" on the mainline is absolutely a no-no. Signals are not spaced to protect a train that does so. Additionally, maintainers, track workers, and flaggers often will descend to the roadbed behind a train once it makes a station stop if they need to set up to perform work on or around the tracks in the area. "Backing up" obviously jeopardizes their safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted November 5, 2014 Share #23 Posted November 5, 2014 I thought PATCO was ATO? "Backing up" on the mainline is absolutely a no-no. Signals are not spaced to protect a train that does so. Additionally, maintainers, track workers, and flaggers often will descend to the roadbed behind a train once it makes a station stop if they need to set up to perform work on or around the tracks in the area. "Backing up" obviously jeopardizes their safety. When I was on it last, they were running manual cab signaling. It does run OPTO though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted November 5, 2014 Share #24 Posted November 5, 2014 it hard to not to overrun. it hard with all that weight behind you and right time to apply brake. there tons of reasons why these train operator alway miss them. when i played the bve i alway overrun or under run i that game. i remember one time on saturday morning when the was local on 4 th ave , the train operator didn't want to stop local and he overruns a lot . it was overrun to the first set of doors on the r40 slant. After that station it was normal. BVE is nothing like operating a train any New TO who practices on that is crazy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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