TwoTimer Posted November 12, 2012 Share #901 Posted November 12, 2012 Its different to provide measures to stop tunnel flooding from scrapping "progress" in the name of the rare storm that has the ability to flood the tunnels. Remember in Irene, the tunnels did not get flooded, just some minor flooding in low-lying yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Lexington Ave Posted November 12, 2012 Share #902 Posted November 12, 2012 Service Change Posted: 11/12/2012 5:51AM No trains between Rector St and South Ferry For South Ferry, use nearby stations at Wall St and Bowling Green. Please expect delays in train service at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted November 12, 2012 Share #903 Posted November 12, 2012 Thats because the major CBTC components were removed before the storm, and they aren't running the normal amount of trains (including the recently added train sets) so there are less trainsets running so thats why they are telling riders to use the train, if the tunnel just got flooded what do you expect, there's a reason why they said limited service Thanks. Your comments make perfect sense, however, please note that there were no service advisories from the MTA website telling passengers to use the after service was restored. There were no advisories telling riders to transfer to the , , or . Anyway, it was an interesting week and as a rider, I'm curious to see if this rise in ridership will continue or peter out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4 Via Merrick Rd Posted November 12, 2012 Share #904 Posted November 12, 2012 Thanks. Your comments make perfect sense, however, please note that there were no service advisories from the MTA website telling passengers to use the after service was restored. There were no advisories telling riders to transfer to the , , or . Anyway, it was an interesting week and as a rider, I'm curious to see if this rise in ridership will continue or peter out! The rise in ridership that you see now might ware off when all of this is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted November 12, 2012 Share #905 Posted November 12, 2012 It's not that North Conduit and the Racetrack are more important (Howard Beach certainly takes priority), but there are going to be times where Howard beach needs to be worked on where trains COULD operate from North Conduit and/or the Racetrack stations. With the Casino at Aqueduct likely growing over time, it will become increasingly important to make sure train service is maintained there at almost all times. That's why as part of this I do what I previously mentioned about making either North Conduit or the Racetrack a four-track, three-platform (two side and one island platform) station to allow when necessary for trains to turn there if Howard Beach needs to have work done. And when that time comes, trains run to Lefferts Blvd.... The doesn't need to over-complicate everything for your foaming pleasure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 12, 2012 Share #906 Posted November 12, 2012 It's not that North Conduit and the Racetrack are more important (Howard Beach certainly takes priority), but there are going to be times where Howard beach needs to be worked on where trains COULD operate from North Conduit and/or the Racetrack stations. With the Casino at Aqueduct likely growing over time, it will become increasingly important to make sure train service is maintained there at almost all times. That's why as part of this I do what I previously mentioned about making either North Conduit or the Racetrack a four-track, three-platform (two side and one island platform) station to allow when necessary for trains to turn there if Howard Beach needs to have work done. Few things... 1. everything around Howard Beach-JFK was just recently replaced/rebuilt including the station itself. 2. The only place to turn trains is at Howard Beach-JFK...Scratch that, you can do it north of Aqueduct Racetrack, but it won't be able to stop at any platform without wrong-railing sand possibly delaying northbound traffic. 3. If there was so much of a problem, they wouldn't sent trains down there like Threxx said...nothing wrong with shuttle buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted November 12, 2012 Share #907 Posted November 12, 2012 There's also the "wrong rail" option from Liberty JCT to JFK. They've done it before. Right now, its normal GO operation to and from JFK. And after taking a quick trip to Mott ave an hour ago for cigs(my bad habit), there's still no artics running on the shuttle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted November 12, 2012 Share #908 Posted November 12, 2012 And for the record, CBTC should not, and will not, be stopped because of the storm. To say that is repugnant. Salt water ruins both CBTC AND traditional block signalling. This storm showed that as well. Out of all the tunnels flooded, only one has an active CBTC system. Oh Wallyhorse. You crack me up sometimes. That's now twice today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6 Lexington Ave Posted November 12, 2012 Share #909 Posted November 12, 2012 If anything, they need to find preventative measures for flooding of this size to occur again. To stop installing CBTC is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr1nyc1 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #910 Posted November 12, 2012 Who controls the electricity for the MTA in the Rock? Con Ed or LIPA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted November 12, 2012 Share #911 Posted November 12, 2012 That said, they may very well build to strengthen the tracks to allow at least a return for the super fast speeds and also allow for R160s and later to run on that branch. Wait, forgive my ignorance but why couldn't the R160's run on the rockaway branch? I thought it was originally built for LIRR stock way back when, wouldn't that be heavier than even the R160's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 12, 2012 Share #912 Posted November 12, 2012 Someone else as I recall mentioned that LIPA, which handles electricity for The Rockaways for whatever reason had troubles when R160s ran that way. Others who know this can explain this better. As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. That's why I brought up what I did. It has nothing to do with foaming, it has to do with trying to have as little interruption as possible with Casino patrons there if work has to be done at Howard Beach, which inevitably will happen at times. If at a later time they do look at reviving the Convention Center at Aqueduct, this all could come up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted November 12, 2012 Share #913 Posted November 12, 2012 Someone else as I recall mentioned that LIPA, which handles electricity for The Rockaways for whatever reason had troubles when R160s ran that way. Others who know this can explain this better. As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. That's why I brought up what I did. It has nothing to do with foaming, it has to do with trying to have as little interruption as possible with Casino patrons there if work has to be done at Howard Beach, which inevitably will happen at times. If at a later time they do look at reviving the Convention Center at Aqueduct, this all could come up again. 104th Street really isn't that far from the casino, y'know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted November 12, 2012 Share #914 Posted November 12, 2012 Now that they had to rip out all the signals and tracks and put new ones in, you wonder if the days of blasting into Broad Channel 40+ n/b and 45+ s/b are over (aka timers added coming into Broad Channel s/b or in both directions). Was that area full speed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted November 12, 2012 Share #915 Posted November 12, 2012 Someone else as I recall mentioned that LIPA, which handles electricity for The Rockaways for whatever reason had troubles when R160s ran that way. Others who know this can explain this better. As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. That's why I brought up what I did. It has nothing to do with foaming, it has to do with trying to have as little interruption as possible with Casino patrons there if work has to be done at Howard Beach, which inevitably will happen at times. If at a later time they do look at reviving the Convention Center at Aqueduct, this all could come up again. If they pay for it, then the MTA will build it. If not, the MTA could care less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M31clinton Posted November 12, 2012 Share #916 Posted November 12, 2012 [color="darkblue" As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. .[/color] Largest? You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted November 12, 2012 Share #917 Posted November 12, 2012 Someone else as I recall mentioned that LIPA, which handles electricity for The Rockaways for whatever reason had troubles when R160s ran that way. Others who know this can explain this better. As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. That's why I brought up what I did. It has nothing to do with foaming, it has to do with trying to have as little interruption as possible with Casino patrons there if work has to be done at Howard Beach, which inevitably will happen at times. If at a later time they do look at reviving the Convention Center at Aqueduct, this all could come up again. Even if you rebuild it, its still under control of LIPA so if there was a problem with the 160s then, it would still be there after they rebuild it ...thats if they didn't fix the problem already, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #918 Posted November 12, 2012 Out of curiosity, did they have shuttle buses running from Lefferts to Far Rockaway before they restored service to Howard Beach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted November 12, 2012 Share #919 Posted November 12, 2012 104th Street really isn't that far from the casino, y'know.... And if you really want to, you can take the to 111th Street for the Q37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted November 13, 2012 Share #920 Posted November 13, 2012 Someone else as I recall mentioned that LIPA, which handles electricity for The Rockaways for whatever reason had troubles when R160s ran that way. Others who know this can explain this better. As for Aqueduct, my point was the Casino is the largest by far in the country, and it is a game changer along the Rockaway branch. That's why I brought up what I did. It has nothing to do with foaming, it has to do with trying to have as little interruption as possible with Casino patrons there if work has to be done at Howard Beach, which inevitably will happen at times. If at a later time they do look at reviving the Convention Center at Aqueduct, this all could come up again. The casino is not the largest in the country. It's not even the largest in the northeast. IF the convention center is ever built then the things you've mentioned can be studied and/or acted on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted November 13, 2012 Share #921 Posted November 13, 2012 Out of curiosity, did they have shuttle buses running from Lefferts to Far Rockaway before they restored service to Howard Beach? No, until yesterday, the only shuttle buses were the "bus bridge" between Brooklyn and Manhattan when there was no rail connection between the two. None of the other segments that were out of service had shuttle bus substitutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Railfan Posted November 13, 2012 Share #922 Posted November 13, 2012 No, until yesterday, the only shuttle buses were the "bus bridge" between Brooklyn and Manhattan when there was no rail connection between the two. None of the other segments that were out of service had shuttle bus substitutes. They also ran Train shuttle Buses to/from Kings Hwy for a couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted November 13, 2012 Share #923 Posted November 13, 2012 On a side note, I wonder how badly the Second Avenue Subway tunnels were impacted (and how much this will delay the project) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted November 13, 2012 Share #924 Posted November 13, 2012 I don't think is was bad in SAS given how a lot of the east side above midtown is on higher ground. And I'm sure we wouldve heard something by now. As for an update on the Rockaways, a NY1 article focused on Transit within Rockaway. They said as of sunday, all 20 railcars are in Rockaway. Now we play the waiting game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted November 13, 2012 Share #925 Posted November 13, 2012 its not even the largest in the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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