qjtransitmaster Posted January 16, 2014 Share #651 Posted January 16, 2014 Finally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted January 16, 2014 Share #652 Posted January 16, 2014 Right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 16, 2014 Share #653 Posted January 16, 2014 The BM4 has been cut less, I can gurantee that. The BM4 has less ridership and everything than the BM5, but somehow gets more service. Now, if people legitemately used the buses, it would make sense to retain the service (but it isn't, so it's not). lol... I think you should re-read the ridership stats for the BM4 and BM5... The BM4 has almost 40,000 more riders annually than the BM5, even with it losing over 15,000 riders last year, and has had more ridership than the BM5 for several years now. Yes, the BM5's ridership has increased but not to the levels to afford it service increases. http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA_annual.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 17, 2014 Share #654 Posted January 17, 2014 lol... I think you should re-read the ridership stats for the BM4 and BM5... The BM4 has almost 40,000 more riders annually than the BM5, even with it losing over 15,000 riders last year, and has had more ridership than the BM5 for several years now. Yes, the BM5's ridership has increased but not to the levels to afford it service increases. http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA_annual.htm That's annual, which is too vague On Weekdays, it's suitable, I guess. http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA.htm [bM4 has 761, and the BM5 has 618, (for comparisons sake, the QM24 runs rush hours only and has 1171 riders)]. However, the BM4 has 36 runs, and the BM5 has 30 runs (BM4 has 21.14 riders on average per trip, and the BM5 has 20.6 riders on average per trip). However, the weekday runtime is less on the BM5 by a significant amount (70 minutes on the BM5, compared to 80-85 on the BM4). On Saturdays, you tell me what happens http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA_weekend.htm The BM4 has 84 riders on Saturdays, and the BM5 has 94 riders The BM4 has 19 runs (4.42 riders per run). The BM5 has 16 runs (5.88 riders per run). An average BM4 trip is about 80 minutes from end to end. An average BM5 trip is about 75 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 17, 2014 Share #655 Posted January 17, 2014 That's annual, which is too vague On Weekdays, it's suitable, I guess. http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA.htm [bM4 has 761, and the BM5 has 618, (for comparisons sake, the QM24 runs rush hours only and has 1171 riders)]. However, the BM4 has 36 runs, and the BM5 has 30 runs (BM4 has 21.14 riders on average per trip, and the BM5 has 20.6 riders on average per trip). However, the weekday runtime is less on the BM5 by a significant amount (70 minutes on the BM5, compared to 80-85 on the BM4). On Saturdays, you tell me what happens http://www.mta.info/nyct/facts/ridership/ridership_busMTA_weekend.htm The BM4 has 84 riders on Saturdays, and the BM5 has 94 riders The BM4 has 19 runs (4.42 riders per run). The BM5 has 16 runs (5.88 riders per run). An average BM4 trip is about 80 minutes from end to end. An average BM5 trip is about 75 minutes. The BM5 riders have the BM2 as an alternative. The BM4 riders tend to be elderly and/or disabled, and with the BM3 being re-routed, that leaves them next to no options once the BM4 stops running. It was bad enough when the cut back the BM4, but then they took the BM3 away from serving the Sheepshead Bay/Gerritsen Beach border near Knapp St. There is no easy way to access the BM3 because it runs across Avenue X so it's the BM3 or nothing and you can't take a local bus to it either from Gerritsen Beach due to Gerritsen being cut off from Sheepshead Bay throughout most of the neighborhood. I have been a strong advocate for maintaining the small amount of BM4 service that Gerritsen Beach receives since I have many friends from the neighborhood and know how difficult the commute is from there to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 17, 2014 Share #656 Posted January 17, 2014 The BM5 riders have the BM2 as an alternative. The BM4 riders tend to be elderly and/or disabled, and with the BM3 being re-routed, that leaves them next to no options once the BM4 stops running. It was bad enough when the cut back the BM4, but then they took the BM3 away from serving the Sheepshead Bay/Gerritsen Beach border near Knapp St. There is no easy way to access the BM3 because it runs across Avenue X so it's the BM3 or nothing and you can't take a local bus to it either from Gerritsen Beach due to Gerritsen being cut off from Sheepshead Bay throughout most of the neighborhood. I have been a strong advocate for maintaining the small amount of BM4 service that Gerritsen Beach receives since I have many friends from the neighborhood and know how difficult the commute is from there to Manhattan. I had a good laugh with this statement. That's like saying to BxM6 riders that they have the BxM10 as an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 17, 2014 Share #657 Posted January 17, 2014 I had a good laugh with this statement. I don't know why... It's BM bus not a QM and it's primary purpose should be to serve those in Brooklyn particularly in Canarsie. Folks in Queens have QM's as alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 17, 2014 Share #658 Posted January 17, 2014 I don't know why... It's BM bus not a QM and it's primary purpose should be to serve those in Brooklyn particularly in Canarsie. Folks in Queens have QM's as alternatives. The BM2 isn't even close to being an alternative to the BM5. Have you said the QM15 originally, I would've probably agreed with you a bit (but them again, the BM5 has that amount of ridership with a route with one alternative the whole time, says a lot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 17, 2014 Share #659 Posted January 17, 2014 The BM2 isn't even close to being an alternative to the BM5. Have you said the QM15 originally, I would've probably agreed with you a bit (but them again, the BM5 has that amount of ridership with a route with one alternative the whole time, says a lot). Again, it ends in Canarsie not in Queens... That's my point... And yes you have the QM15... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted January 17, 2014 Share #660 Posted January 17, 2014 Again, it ends in Canarsie not in Queens... That's my point... And yes you have the QM15... You do realize how long the commute is, just to get to 34 street (on the BM2), right? Besides, of the people that get on the BM5 in brooklyn, most get on at Linden/Elderts, no way you are gonna convince those people to go to the BM2, doesn't matter if it's still an express bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 18, 2014 Share #661 Posted January 18, 2014 The core of this back & forth argument (and for this to have gone on for as long as it has now) is rather silly..... You two (VG8, Q23) are having a pissing contest over which bus (BM4, BM5) has seen the worst cuts? What's the debate to be "won" here exactly..... The BM4 is better than the BM5, so the BM5 deserves the cuts more? The BM5 is better than the BM4, so the BM4 deserves the cuts more? To a spectator here, that's how this back & forth is coming across here..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted January 20, 2014 Share #662 Posted January 20, 2014 According to a B/O from Ulmer Park, they are getting all routes and stops into the system. And by February, they will test it internally. During then, they would advertise it to release about 3weeks later. So he said expect it no later than the beginning of March. It should start in February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted January 20, 2014 Share #663 Posted January 20, 2014 That's too bad.i guess it was too good to be true for it to release in the beginning of January.But that is before April. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted January 20, 2014 Share #664 Posted January 20, 2014 That's too bad.i guess it was too good to be true for it to release in the beginning of January.But that is before April. January 1st started the GPS tracking in the buses in Brooklyn. Meaning the depots and MTA can track the buses using whatever they use. Maybe thats what some got confused on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 30, 2014 Share #665 Posted January 30, 2014 Word from a valuable source: sometime in February will be the launch date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted January 30, 2014 Share #666 Posted January 30, 2014 Word from a valuable source: sometime in February will be the launch date. Yup, I was told late February. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted January 30, 2014 Share #667 Posted January 30, 2014 Word from a valuable source: sometime in February will be the launch date.Welcome to the GPS world lol, at least we will find guys stop playing games on the line by them leaving a couple of mins ahead while you getting killed but the again guys still be doing that from time to time until you see them ahead of you cause bus track tells them to hang back lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 30, 2014 Share #668 Posted January 30, 2014 The core of this back & forth argument (and for this to have gone on for as long as it has now) is rather silly..... You two (VG8, Q23) are having a pissing contest over which bus (BM4, BM5) has seen the worst cuts? What's the debate to be "won" here exactly..... The BM4 is better than the BM5, so the BM5 deserves the cuts more? The BM5 is better than the BM4, so the BM4 deserves the cuts more? To a spectator here, that's how this back & forth is coming across here..... There is none... He's constantly complaining about how the BM4 should be either cut or re-routed because the BM5 needs more service. All I'm saying is based on ridership numbers the BM4 carries far more passengers than the BM5 and that his logic doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 30, 2014 Share #669 Posted January 30, 2014 From what I heard, Queen's BusTime will not launch at the same time as Brooklyn like some have said here. Then again, this is all speculation. Good to hear Brooklyn will see it soon though. This is a BusTime thread. If you're going to keep arguing, take it to the Brooklyn Proposals thread please. Nope, I'm done. Was just clarifying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted January 30, 2014 Share #670 Posted January 30, 2014 From what I heard, Queen's BusTime will not launch at the same time as Brooklyn like some have said here. Then again, this is all speculation. Good to hear Brooklyn will see it soon though. Uchh. I knew it was too good to be true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted February 6, 2014 Share #671 Posted February 6, 2014 There is none... He's constantly complaining about how the BM4 should be either cut or re-routed because the BM5 needs more service. All I'm saying is based on ridership numbers the BM4 carries far more passengers than the BM5 and that his logic doesn't make sense. Both of you drop it BM4&5 are both weak just stop. Their policy ain't helping. They are the lowest carrying Brooklyn express routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted February 6, 2014 Share #672 Posted February 6, 2014 Got excited when I saw an email about a notification for this thread.Im really impatient.Anyone know what progress there has been if any? Are these snowstorms slowing things down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 6, 2014 Share #673 Posted February 6, 2014 Got excited when I saw an email about a notification for this thread.Im really impatient.Anyone know what progress there has been if any? Are these snowstorms slowing things down? I'm also impatient. Bus Operators are saying late February, but I havent seen a single ad for Bustime in Brooklyn..except Gleason C40LFs. But nothing for the borough itself like with Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted February 6, 2014 Share #674 Posted February 6, 2014 I think the storms are slowing things down.Perhaps tomorrow or Friday since there are no storms we will see a ad or article on the website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted February 7, 2014 Share #675 Posted February 7, 2014 Excited for this. I'll start walking routes with BusTime's help after I finish Bronx and Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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