R188 Discussion Thread

[The Real]

To Be Honest I think the is going to get the R62A's, they already have R62A's for the shuttle at the Jermone yard, so it would make the most sense to give the the R62A's and send the later R142A's to the along with the R142's, this would make the most sense because the only has 1 terminal in both directions thats Utica ave and Woodlawn and late nights New Lots.

 

The Shuttle cars are no longer Jerome assigned, they're back at Livonia for assignment.

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

The line will struggle to maintain it's 2-3 minute headway if rollsigns have to changed. People seem to forget that the has 2 weekday terminals in the Bronx. As it is on the every train terminates at Flushing-Main Street or Times Square so the t/o doesn't have to worry about the sign. R62A won't work for the unless digital signs AND automated announcements were put in place. In all honesty the best line for these cars is the one that they are currently on.

[7LineFan]

The line will struggle to maintain it's 2-3 minute headway if rollsigns have to changed. People seem to forget that the has 2 weekday terminals in the Bronx. As it is on the every train terminates at Flushing-Main Street or Times Square so the t/o doesn't have to worry about the sign. R62A won't work for the unless digital signs AND automated announcements were put in place. In all honesty the best line for these cars is the one that they are currently on.

 

Remember that the itself had R62As about ten years ago. It worked back then, didn't it?

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

Remember that the itself had R62As about ten years ago. It worked back then, didn't it?

 

The line has changed in those 10 years. Ridership has increased greatly over those 10 years and the trains now run more frequently than they did 10 years ago. Trains need to run every 2 minutes on this line and having to change signs at Brooklyn Bridge will threaten that precious headway.

[7LineFan]

The line has changed in those 10 years. Ridership has increased greatly over those 10 years and the trains now run more frequently than they did 10 years ago. Trains need to run every 2 minutes on this line and having to change signs at Brooklyn Bridge will threaten that precious headway.

 

OK, then, answer me this. Two part question, and this is the first part, the answer of which will affect the second.

 

All local trains stop at Parkchester while the express trains continue to Pelham Bay Park. Is this true for every single case when express service is running, excluding general orders and other unexpected stuff?

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

OK, then, answer me this. Two part question, and this is the first part, the answer of which will affect the second.

 

All local trains stop at Parkchester while the express trains continue to Pelham Bay Park. Is this true for every single case when express service is running, excluding general orders and other unexpected stuff?

 

You are correct. Local trains terminate at Parkchester and express trains terminate at Pelham Bay Park.

[Grand Concourse]

Remember that the itself had R62As about ten years ago. It worked back then, didn't it?

 

I just don't understand why this 'simple issue' [R62As to the ] has become so difficult to comprehend for some people here. It's not like the cars are 'that' bad or old. R68s have been pretty good on B-division.

Plus R62As are also heavily used on the , so it's not like they have been on say the where it needs to run at nearly 2-3 min headways.

[7LineFan]

You are correct. Local trains terminate at Parkchester and express trains terminate at Pelham Bay Park.

 

Assuming regulars know this service pattern, and those LEDs in the side signs of the R62As stay:

 

Trains with the green circle go to Parkchester, and trains with the red diamond go to Pelham Bay Park. Signage problem solved.

 

And before you say that the signs are still incorrect, there are trains on the that get pulled from service at Mets-Willets Point, usually going to the yard after they discharge their passengers. All of them have their signs set to Main St, with the conductor loudly announcing at every station that the train is stopping short.

 

Those LEDs and a loud, clear conductor should be all you need.

[2 Train Master]

Some of you bring up good points.The thing was the 62A's would be fit for the line since the LED but some of you/us never really considered the rollsign changing.

The actually has 3 terminals during the day

Pelham Bay Park

Parkchester

3 Av-138th St (During the day several trains end their run there in the AM & PM going uptown and be sent back down) if you ever caught a train announcement saying "This is a Brooklyn Bridge bound local train" that was the train that terminated at 138th and those are not put-ins.

 

Rollsigns can be an issue remember in the B-Division which was a reason why the 68/A's disappeared off the a while ago after the June 2010 cuts also the 32 didn't last long during stints in 2010.We all know the reason 32's are running on the and 68/A (Q)'s on weekends now so thats off topic.

 

Think about it.It would be smart for the 62A's to go to the it has 1 south terminal during the day and 2 north terminals(Woodlawn and Burnside) and for the PM rush some trains run to Bedford.If anything the LED can work out for the

Woodlawn bound trains can utilize the Green Circle

Burnside or and Bedford Pk trains can utilize the RED Diamond since they run express.Only 3 trains run to BP as an express for the PM rush anyways the rest of the expresses are Burnside bound trains.

[Grand Concourse]

- ideally since it's a strait up swap

- you could take all the R142As there, but would still need to take the rest from the

 

All in all, it comes down to those 2 lines. As has been stated numerous times: The had R62As before, so what's the big deal of the having them again? It's not the end of the world if the signs aren't set correctly. Plus if anything, the signs would likely be changed in the bronx since there's no time to change them at CH-BB.

[Rell]

The actually has 3 terminals during the day

Pelham Bay Park

Parkchester

3 Av-138th St (During the day several trains end their run there in the AM & PM going uptown and be sent back down) if you ever caught a train announcement saying "This is a Brooklyn Bridge bound local train" that was the train that terminated at 138th and those are not put-ins.

 

 

Well, as 7LineFan had said a few posts above, similar issues happen on the . There are Queens-bound trains that are scheduled to terminate at Willets Point, but their rollsigns still say to Main St. It's just announced that it's stopping short. As long as the announcer on the 3 Av-bound mentions that it's stopping short (i.e. "This is a 3 AVENUE-138 STREET BOUND train"), the signs won't make THAT big of a difference. Worst case scenario, they'll get off at 3 Av and continue their trip. Not too much of an inconvenience, because if they knew beforehand, they'd still be waiting for another train -- only difference would be waiting in Manhattan opposed to waiting at 3 Av.

[JubaionBx12+SBS]

I'm willing to throw the (4)'s R142's into this as well. The line send's it's R142A to the in exchange for the R142's. And then the and lines can swap from there.

[Guest lance25]

Why needlessly complicate things with all these car moves. If anything, it should be a one-to-one transfer for as long as possible.

[Grand Concourse]

Why needlessly complicate things with all these car moves. If anything, it should be a one-to-one transfer for as long as possible.

 

That's been long lost on the posters that keeps bringing up this thread. We are basically preaching to the deaf/blind here...

[NYCT7720]

They can just do what they did on the 6 before the full conversion of the Kawasaki R142A which was they ran all the redbirds to Pelham Bay Park & all the R62's last stops were set for 3rd Av - 138th Street & Parkchester, But if I had an opinion on where the R62's should go I would say it should go on a line that faces little or no destination sign changes or platform construction work & before placing the R62's on any line the announcements need to be modified to be loud & clear not no loud electrical buzzing sound then the piano but the r62's could work on any line as long as they keep the countdown timers working cause those really tell u where the train is going if the sign isnt being updated

[T to Dyre Avenue]

Will there be enough R142As left at Westchester Yard left to have a setup like that once the goes all-R142A/188?

[Rell]

If there is, that'd seem to satisfy some of the minor issues people keep bringing up.

[Grand Concourse]

Well at least with how much more cars the has over the , the won't be 100% R62As.

I wonder {if it ends up being the that gets the R62As back}: would they swap the remaining R142As on the for the (4)'s R142s and make the have all the R142As?

[6 Lexington Ave]

Well at least with how much more cars the has over the , the won't be 100% R62As.

I wonder {if it ends up being the that gets the R62As back}: would they swap the remaining R142As on the for the (4)'s R142s and make the have all the R142As?

 

I believe that what would be wiser is to split the R62As R142 and the remaining R142As between the and the . I think they should split them in a way that both lines have a roughly equal amount of SMEEs and NTTs. So, about 200 R62As will go to the and another 200 to the .

[GreatOne2k]

OK, then, answer me this. Two part question, and this is the first part, the answer of which will affect the second.

 

All local trains stop at Parkchester while the express trains continue to Pelham Bay Park. Is this true for every single case when express service is running, excluding general orders and other unexpected stuff?

 

Not exactly, at the end of the PM rush and early evening some locals run to Pelham Bay Park

 

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[R32 3838]

Here's an Update from a very Reliable source:

 

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1101650

 

For the ones who don't know the R188 order

 

and the New B car is rumored to be 7921

[kingofthacity718]

Is that why theres a 142 in corona yard today

[Fan Railer]

Is that why theres a 142 in corona yard today

 

in short.. yes

[R68 Subway Car]

Move the R62As to the & . They are perfect for that line and they have rode on that line and withstood the loads in the past.

[T to Dyre Avenue]

There's not enough R62As at Corona to fully equip the and (6)/<6> lines. It's either the or the (6)/<6>. Can't be both.