Northern N.J. Leaders To Weigh Pros, Cons Of No. 7 Train Extension - CBS News

[realizm]

 
September 12, 2014 3:50 PM

HASBROUK HEIGHTS, N.J. (CBSNewYork) – Northern New Jersey leaders want to learn more about the impact of bringing the No. 7 train to the area.

There is little argument that the extension of the line to Secaucus would help both New Jersey and New York, WCBS 880’s Peter Haskell reported.

“It helps New Jersey communities because people are going to want to live near the No. 7 or with access to it,” NYU urban planning professor Mitchell Moss said. “It helps Manhattan because so much of the office market in New York today is now being developed on the far west side.”
 
Talk of the No. 7 subway train running into Secaucus goes back to 2010 — ever since Gov. Chris Christie put the brakes on a controversial Trans-Hudson rail tunnel in the fall of that year.

Christie killed the plans to build the tunnel because of the $9 billion to $14 billion price tag.

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[Quill Depot]

$9 billion... why not just merge the PATH and MTA at that price. Since the PATH is A-div and the is A-div as well it might work.

[Union Tpke]

$9 billion... why not just merge the PATH and MTA at that price. Since the PATH is A-div and the is A-div as well it might work.

I was thinking of a plan for sometime of integrating the systems

look at this proposal

http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubes/pathtubeslexingtonproposal.html

[bobtehpanda]

$9 billion... why not just merge the PATH and MTA at that price. Since the PATH is A-div and the is A-div as well it might work.

 

PATH is full.

 

If NJ agrees to fund this at the appropriate levels (for construction then operation) then sure. But until then I'm not holding my breath. Why should NJ get stuff without paying the dedicated taxes, while the five boroughs and the suburbs in New York have been paying the dedicated taxes for almost a half-century now?

[Jsunflyguy]

Why is the the line normally proposed to go to NJ, would not the be a likelier candidate?

[Quill Depot]

Why is the the line normally proposed to go to NJ, would not the be a likelier candidate?

 

already mirrors the 4th St tube or whatever it is for the PATH.

[CenSin]

F*** New Jersey. They need to be punished for Christie. Let them reflect on their bad decision until they are ready to pony up some cash for any trans-Hudson project and operation.

[realizm]

[MTA Dude]

After the gets extended west, would it be feasible to make it continue along 11 ave to run to 14th Street, and maybe do something similar for the ?

[realizm]

After the gets extended west, would it be feasible to make it continue along 11 ave to run to 14th Street, and maybe do something similar for the ?

Well one of the past proposals under the Bloomberg administration calls for an extension from the 7's ROW from Times Square alonmg the ARCs never built ROW to NJ. So sort of a straight shot to NY with the actual construction of the 10th Avenue station.

 

 

F*** New Jersey. They need to be punished for Christie. Let them reflect on their bad decision until they are ready to pony up some cash for any trans-Hudson project and operation.

Now NJ is stuck with an existing Trans-Hudson tunnel thats going to crumble under the river in lass that 20 years unless they do something about it, quickly. Thats why currently NJ politicians are requesting to have an eviormental impact study done ASAP.

 

As for the financial impact from Christie killing ARC and Gateway respectively? NJT was jipped out of billions of dollars needed to fund the project, man the agency nearly went broke in the process.

 

Sad enough any 7 extension will never replace the sort of capacity that a new railroad tunnel from scratch can bring to the table. Thats the catch, and what makes the MTA nervous about this whole thing.

 

Literally the MTA Executive Committee laughed out loud ridiculous when Bloomberg even tried with the Secaucus idea.

 

Catch 22.

[CenSin]

Well one of the past proposals under the Bloomberg administration calls for an extension from the 7's ROW from Times Square alonmg the ARCs never built ROW to NJ. So sort of a straight shot to NY with the actual construction of the 10th Avenue station.

 

 

Now NJ is stuck with an existing Trans-Hudson tunnel thats going to crumble under the river in lass that 20 years unless they do something about it, quickly. Thats why currently NJ politicians are requesting to have an eviormental impact study done ASAP.

 

As for the financial impact from Christie killing ARC and Gateway respectively? NJT was jipped out of billions of dollars needed to fund the project, man the agency nearly went broke in the process.

 

Sad enough any 7 extension will never replace the sort of capacity that a new railroad tunnel from scratch can bring to the table. Thats the catch, and what makes the MTA nervous about this whole thing.

 

Literally the MTA Executive Committee laughed out loud ridiculous when Bloomberg even tried with the Secaucus idea.

 

Catch 22.

If this actually gets extended to New Jersey, the politicians that come after may just shrug their shoulders when transit planners call for a real tunnel for high-capacity transit. There's more than one reason not to extend the to New Jersey, and one of them is that it will be a de-motivator to build what is really needed. A would be a half-assed job for a big problem.

 

What we should do instead is to develop the west side, build up the transit infrastructure needed to get massive amounts of New Yorkers to these new jobs, and let New Jersey regret.

 

On a positive note, if any trans-Hudson links do go dead due to disrepair, it will only serve to highlight the importance of mass transit. New Jersey may suffer the repercussions of reduced transit capacity, but we'll probably get a political boost to finish up with phases 3 and 4 of the Second Avenue Subway.

[Fan Railer]

$9 billion... why not just merge the PATH and MTA at that price. Since the PATH is A-div and the is A-div as well it might work.

PATH isn't A-division.... PATH rolling stock is A-division length and B-division width... get your facts straight lol.

[Roadcruiser1]

Sure we will extend the to New Jersey. However New Jersey will have to pay for it since it benefits them not us.

 

Also I wouldn't worry about a lack of rail capacity as long as the tunnel is double decked as is the 63rd Street Tunnel.

 

I think it did still be a better idea to extend the to New Jersey, and Newark Airport, and the extended to 14th Street. The has wider cars.

 

I however don't think that the project is impossible. Someday it did be built.

[realizm]

If this actually gets extended to New Jersey, the politicians that come after may just shrug their shoulders when transit planners call for a real tunnel for high-capacity transit. There's more than one reason not to extend the to New Jersey, and one of them is that it will be a de-motivator to build what is really needed. A would be a half-assed job for a big problem.

 

What we should do instead is to develop the west side, build up the transit infrastructure needed to get massive amounts of New Yorkers to these new jobs, and let New Jersey regret.

 

On a positive note, if any trans-Hudson links do go dead due to disrepair, it will only serve to highlight the importance of mass transit. New Jersey may suffer the repercussions of reduced transit capacity, but we'll probably get a political boost to finish up with phases 3 and 4 of the Second Avenue Subway.

New Jersey well basically they screwed it up. The ARC or Gateway, either or, should have been built. Had it been built the 7 to NJ would have never came into the picture. It is what it is though.

 

The Trans-Hudson tubes: They actually plan to single-track trains while they repair the tunnel. Not going to work with NJT and Amtrak using the tunnels. A repair operation like that will nowhere close be adequate for the thousands of passengers dependent on NJT and Amtrak in order to get into NYC. Let alone a 7 extension. IRT cars will not match the capacity needs that only railroad car consists can provide.

 

One of the biggest follies in US transportation history, in the making, if you ask me.

[Cait Sith]

How about reviving the Gateway/ARC project?

I'm just saying....

[realizm]

How about reviving the Gateway/ARC project?

 

I'm just saying....

Unfortunately the politicians involved are idiots thats the bigger problem in all of this...

[BreeddekalbL]

`christie killed it cause he cried NJ would foot the bill

[qjtransitmaster]

Can these fools shut it about this to NJ nonsense.

[46Dover]

Sure we will extend the to New Jersey. However New Jersey will have to pay for it since it benefits them not us.

 

Also I wouldn't worry about a lack of rail capacity as long as the tunnel is double decked as is the 63rd Street Tunnel.

 

I think it did still be a better idea to extend the to New Jersey, and Newark Airport, and the extended to 14th Street. The has wider cars.

 

I however don't think that the project is impossible. Someday it did be built.

A one seat ride from Canarsie to Jersey. Who would've thought? Lol

[Kamen Rider]

Christie killed ARC because the financial package was faulty.

 

His actions might not add up from a transit stand point, but from a fiscal one, oh boy they would have been in trouble. Mind you, the man who drew up that package went on to misplace $2 Billion of other people's money.

 

East Side Access is, as it stands, is already going to be 14 years late, currently doesn't stand to open till 2023 and is 250% over budget. The hand ARC was dealt did not leave any wiggle room. and ESA's river crossing was already built, if ARC had all the same problems as ESA, hello 2050. And you have to worry because those possibilities exist.

[MTA Dude]

I think the New Jersey thing won't happen since it is a seperate city, and unless Manhattan really is a huge business area, people may go to New Jersey to work instead of New York, making New York lose money.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

I think the New Jersey thing won't happen since it is a seperate city, and unless Manhattan really is a huge business area, people may go to New Jersey to work instead of New York, making New York lose money.

When was the last time you've been to midtown, or downtown to that regard?

[MTA Dude]

When was the last time you've been to midtown, or downtown to that regard?

 

To downtown on a Sunday.

[MHV9218]

Christie killed ARC because the financial package was faulty.

 

His actions might not add up from a transit stand point, but from a fiscal one, oh boy they would have been in trouble.

 

100% debatable. There is a very good case to be made that the project was functional and Christie simply wanted to selfishly buy things for the state rather than help the region. Whenever a state leader turns down federal funds that were handed to them, they usually have a separate motive.

[Sparen of Iria]

Personally, I think they should just keep the 7 train the way it is in New York (23rd/10 Av stations would be nice though for easier access to northern Hell's Kitchen, where the fastest way is still to walk from Columbus Circle) and build something that doesn't involve the NYC Subway if they're going to send it to New Jersey. If they're going to build a subway tunnel, let it be a shuttle that can run without being affected by the 7 train's constant construction work. Of course, the shuttle would terminate at a relevant location in New York with other transit options.