Around the Horn Posted May 22, 2017 Share #576 Posted May 22, 2017 what's taking the ta so long to get their actual road equipment from them? There's not much the MTA can do if they choose not to bid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 22, 2017 Share #577 Posted May 22, 2017 There's not much the MTA can do if they choose not to bid. ahh i see it got me thinking since they don't want to bid for the cars since they are not relatively known since they don't want to go under (in reference to old article i saw about bus a bus shortage and one of the companies said that the ta will put them under) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share #578 Posted May 22, 2017 The TA has made and broken many companies over the years. Many people choose not to work with the MTA. Bus manufacturing firms for example prefer not to bid on anything MTA because they are the most complex agency in America. When it comes to bids, it's not up to MTA who puts out an offer. As far as Bombardier goes, they could already be "unofficially" disqualified. We have to wait and see. Pilot delivery of 2 train sets is still scheduled for 2020. Possibly even three as there will be the R211A, R211S and R211T variants. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted May 22, 2017 Share #579 Posted May 22, 2017 I hope they keep the mixed seating for the Staten Island cars, since that allows for the most comfort. (SI trains are rarely crush loaded so standing room isn't much of an issue). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted May 22, 2017 Share #580 Posted May 22, 2017 I hope they keep the mixed seating for the Staten Island cars, since that allows for the most comfort. (SI trains are rarely crush loaded so standing room isn't much of an issue). Imagine they give the R211s for Staten Island the WMATA/BART seating arrangement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 22, 2017 Share #581 Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Imagine they give the R211s for Staten Island the WMATA/BART seating arrangement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The WMATA 7k seats and seating layout is perfect IMO Longitudinal seating near the car ends, and transverse seating in the areas between the doors. Edited May 22, 2017 by Around the Horn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share #582 Posted May 23, 2017 Now that would be hot!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted May 23, 2017 Share #583 Posted May 23, 2017 I could see that for the 211S cars. It I think they're gonna do the same as the did with the 44s- build the same cars but with different operational specs. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 23, 2017 Share #584 Posted May 23, 2017 but don't we always go "new york style" with our seating and chicago just adopted it with the 5000 cars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted May 23, 2017 Share #585 Posted May 23, 2017 Maybe Bomb-Ah-Di-Eh have been partially forgiven? When they get it right, they do build some damn good trains (I think someone else said as much in another thread). But anyway I too speculate Kawasaki would probably win this.... The problem is not the reliability of the trains, but rather that of the company itself. For several years now, Bombardier has had serious trouble completing the orders they've bid on, locally with the 179s here, but most famously the new TTC streetcars that have yet to materialize. We do not need to get stuck behind the 8-ball with another massively delayed order, especially when the much-needed retirement of the aging fleet hinges upon a speedy delivery of these new cars. I also feel that Kawasaki/Alstom will win out on this order, and quite frankly, I hope they do. Outside of them and Bombardier, no other builder has a thorough knowledge of the subway system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted May 23, 2017 Share #586 Posted May 23, 2017 The problem is not the reliability of the trains, but rather that of the company itself. For several years now, Bombardier has had serious trouble completing the orders they've bid on, locally with the 179s here, but most famously the new TTC streetcars that have yet to materialize. We do not need to get stuck behind the 8-ball with another massively delayed order, especially when the much-needed retirement of the aging fleet hinges upon a speedy delivery of these new cars. I also feel that Kawasaki/Alstom will win out on this order, and quite frankly, I hope they do. Outside of them and Bombardier, no other builder has a thorough knowledge of the subway system. Yup, You're right actually... conflict with their aerospace business vs. rail business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted May 23, 2017 Share #587 Posted May 23, 2017 I hope they keep the mixed seating for the Staten Island cars, since that allows for the most comfort. (SI trains are rarely crush loaded so standing room isn't much of an issue). I'd like to see that too. They'd be the first 60-foot NYC subway cars to have mixed seating since the R16s in 1955. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 23, 2017 Share #588 Posted May 23, 2017 but don't we always go "new york style" with our seating and chicago just adopted it with the 5000 cars Staten Island is an entirely different animal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RES2773 Posted May 24, 2017 Share #589 Posted May 24, 2017 Imagine they give the R211s for Staten Island the WMATA/BART seating arrangement. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I would love a more suburban feel for SIR. Not sure that's the plan though. Sent from my iPhone using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 24, 2017 Share #590 Posted May 24, 2017 is there a way to where we can know what style of seating will be in all versions of the 211? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted May 24, 2017 Share #591 Posted May 24, 2017 is there a way to where we can know what style of seating will be in all versions of the 211?Not yet Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted May 24, 2017 Share #592 Posted May 24, 2017 It'd be nice if they eliminated 2 doors on each side to add more seats on R211S trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted May 24, 2017 Share #593 Posted May 24, 2017 It'd be nice if they eliminated 2 doors on each side to add more seats on R211S trains. While I'd love such a layout and think it would be better for capacity, I wouldn't get too excited. Remember, the cars they're replacing (the R44s) are some of the worst cars in service right now and ordering them with slightly different specs could potentially delay the order, which is something the MTA doesn't want or need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted May 24, 2017 Share #594 Posted May 24, 2017 While I'd love such a layout and think it would be better for capacity, I wouldn't get too excited. Remember, the cars they're replacing (the R44s) are some of the worst cars in service right now and ordering them with slightly different specs could potentially delay the order, which is something the MTA doesn't want or need. Good point, to be honest I'm expecting them to look the same as the NYCTA versions from a passenger's POV. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted May 24, 2017 Share #595 Posted May 24, 2017 The order has been increased to 1100 cars. http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/May%20Board%20Presentation_Board.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 24, 2017 Share #596 Posted May 24, 2017 The order has been increased to 1100 cars. http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/May%20Board%20Presentation_Board.pdf damn they growing i guess more gangway cars and the regular versions come first? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted May 25, 2017 Share #597 Posted May 25, 2017 The order has been increased to 1100 cars. http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/docs/May%20Board%20Presentation_Board.pdf I'm not liking how vague this amendment document is... Hopefully the next board meeting has more in depth information... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 25, 2017 Share #598 Posted May 25, 2017 If there's a change order, then there'll be official documentation to go with it once it's finalized (like there was with the numerous R188 change orders). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted May 25, 2017 Share #599 Posted May 25, 2017 I'm not liking how vague this amendment document is... Hopefully the next board meeting has more in depth information... Agreed. More likely than not this document was for show--hence all the pictures and colors. While this isn't the first time it's happened, the true number of R211s with options is still unknown but rapidly increasing. Potentially this order could be larger than the R160 order by the time all is said and done, but we'll see next week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 25, 2017 Share #600 Posted May 25, 2017 (edited) is it possible with the increasing options it could be enough to retire every old train which will result in the r68 being the old trains? Edited May 25, 2017 by BreeddekalbL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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