swtat Posted May 31, 2017 Share #626 Posted May 31, 2017 Simple, they low bid everyone else and those operators have to take the low bid. Not always. It depends on what the contract type is. In an IFB (invitation for bid), which is highly unlikely for a subway car procurement, the TA would be forced to award the bid to the lowest responsible bidder. In an RFP (request for proposals), many factors are evaluated from each bidder, including technical approach, engineering competency, manufacturing capability, participation of women/minority-owned subcontractors, etc. In the MBTA's order, the bidders were evaluated on their technical merits before the price proposals were even opened. CRRC Changchun scored higher overall than BBD and Kawasaki. CRRC Sifang had also bid, but they scored very low and was eliminated before the price proposals were evaluated. Sifang is the subsidiary that recently gained attention in the news for shoddy quality in the Singapore MRT cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 31, 2017 Share #627 Posted May 31, 2017 Not always. It depends on what the contract type is. In an IFB (invitation for bid), which is highly unlikely for a subway car procurement, the TA would be forced to award the bid to the lowest responsible bidder. In an RFP (request for proposals), many factors are evaluated from each bidder, including technical approach, engineering competency, manufacturing capability, participation of women/minority-owned subcontractors, etc. In the MBTA's order, the bidders were evaluated on their technical merits before the price proposals were even opened. CRRC Changchun scored higher overall than BBD and Kawasaki. CRRC Sifang had also bid, but they scored very low and was eliminated before the price proposals were evaluated. Sifang is the subsidiary that recently gained attention in the news for shoddy quality in the Singapore MRT cars. and supposedly i heard that they are funded by chinese govt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted May 31, 2017 Share #628 Posted May 31, 2017 and supposedly i heard that they are funded by chinese govt I mean, so what? Bombardier is funded by Canada. Alstom is funded by France. The Japanese fund basically all of their heavy industry. There is no American railcar company anymore. So fretting about state interference is kinda pointless, since all of the other choices are funded by their home governments. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 31, 2017 Share #629 Posted May 31, 2017 I mean, so what? Bombardier is funded by Canada. Alstom is funded by France. The Japanese fund basically all of their heavy industry. There is no American railcar company anymore. So fretting about state interference is kinda pointless, since all of the other choices are funded by their home governments. well since our president flipped on his rhetoric about china i guess it's pointless, plus what is siemens country of origin? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted May 31, 2017 Share #630 Posted May 31, 2017 well since our president flipped on his rhetoric about china i guess it's pointless, plus what is siemens country of origin? Germany 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share #631 Posted May 31, 2017 Not always. It depends on what the contract type is. In an IFB (invitation for bid), which is highly unlikely for a subway car procurement, the TA would be forced to award the bid to the lowest responsible bidder. In an RFP (request for proposals), many factors are evaluated from each bidder, including technical approach, engineering competency, manufacturing capability, participation of women/minority-owned subcontractors, etc. In the MBTA's order, the bidders were evaluated on their technical merits before the price proposals were even opened. CRRC Changchun scored higher overall than BBD and Kawasaki. CRRC Sifang had also bid, but they scored very low and was eliminated before the price proposals were evaluated. Sifang is the subsidiary that recently gained attention in the news for shoddy quality in the Singapore MRT cars. I think he's actually talking about the agencies that don't have a choice but to go with the lowest bidder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted May 31, 2017 Share #632 Posted May 31, 2017 Germany Siemens is german? for some reason i thought it was asian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryB Posted June 1, 2017 Share #633 Posted June 1, 2017 Siemens is german? for some reason i thought it was asian. lol lmao ...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted June 1, 2017 Share #634 Posted June 1, 2017 Siemens is german? for some reason i thought it was asian. lol. Werner Von Siemens..... lmao https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens Siemens AG, AG standing for Aktiengesellschaft. Definitively not Asian lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 1, 2017 Share #635 Posted June 1, 2017 I thought Siemens was actually a fake name made up by railfanners... I was wrong lmao 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 1, 2017 Share #636 Posted June 1, 2017 I thought Siemens was actually a fake name made up by railfanners... I was wrong lmao Siemens made some pretty good phones back in the Palm Pilot era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 4, 2017 Share #637 Posted June 4, 2017 CRRC Sifang had also bid, but they scored very low and was eliminated before the price proposals were evaluated. Sifang is the subsidiary that recently gained attention in the news for shoddy quality in the Singapore MRT cars. well i heard since Crrc(SIFANG i guess) somehow won the bid for the cta 7000 cars and they scored on a 1-5 scale a 2.8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 7, 2017 Share #638 Posted June 7, 2017 A quick question about pilots: is it the MTA or the builder who determines the number of pilots and configurations of said pilot cars? (For example, choosing to have one pilot R211S set and one pilot R211A set as opposed to just one R211A pilot set or two R211As) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted June 7, 2017 Share #639 Posted June 7, 2017 A quick question about pilots: is it the MTA or the builder who determines the number of pilots and configurations of said pilot cars? (For example, choosing to have one pilot R211S set and one pilot R211A set as opposed to just one R211A pilot set or two R211As) I would safely assume its the MTA. Look at the previous orders, one pilot per configuration and usually per builder. Sent from my LGLS755 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted June 26, 2017 Share #640 Posted June 26, 2017 From the MTA page: The MTA is expediting the delivery of 300 new R179 subway cars with the first arriving this fall and all being delivered by September 2018. Additionally, New York City Transit will accelerate the delivery of 450 new R211 cars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 26, 2017 Share #641 Posted June 26, 2017 From the MTA page: Which page is this? Link? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted June 26, 2017 Share #642 Posted June 26, 2017 Which page is this? Link? http://www.mta.info/news-new-york-city-transit/2017/06/19/subways-launch-six-point-plan-improve-service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted June 26, 2017 Share #643 Posted June 26, 2017 so when will the award of the r211 gonna happen with this accelerated schedule? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djtoro7 Posted June 26, 2017 Share #644 Posted June 26, 2017 Imo, one of the reasons why the MTA is accelerating the delivery of the R211s is the fact that the R46s keep breaking down on a constant level. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted July 8, 2017 Share #645 Posted July 8, 2017 Relevant: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cuomo-mta-funds-subway-cars-redirected-projects-article-1.3306998? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 8, 2017 Share #646 Posted July 8, 2017 Imo, one of the reasons why the MTA is accelerating the delivery of the R211s is the fact that the R46s keep breaking down on a constant level. Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Thats not the main reason, the main reason is because they are replacing the remaing R32's and SIRT R44's first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RES2773 Posted July 8, 2017 Share #647 Posted July 8, 2017 Relevant: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cuomo-mta-funds-subway-cars-redirected-projects-article-1.3306998? What I'm getting from this is that we will still get the promised number of cars, the order will just be confirmed and paid for at a later date. I think. If that is the case, I can live with that, as long as we still get the cars. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted July 8, 2017 Share #648 Posted July 8, 2017 What I'm getting from this is that we will still get the promised number of cars, the order will just be confirmed and paid for at a later date. I think. If that is the case, I can live with that, as long as we still get the cars. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The bigger issue is that Cuomo continues to play politics with infrastructure at the worst possible time. We shouldn't even have to worry about the cars coming in later than possible, especially with all the fleet problems we've been having. The R179s are way behind schedule (given that they're doing EMI testing now, I wouldn't be surprised if the delivery schedule has slipped even further), and the R32s, R42s, and R44s are hanging by threads. We need new subway cars yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RES2773 Posted July 8, 2017 Share #649 Posted July 8, 2017 The bigger issue is that Cuomo continues to play politics with infrastructure at the worst possible time. We shouldn't even have to worry about the cars coming in later than possible, especially with all the fleet problems we've been having. The R179s are way behind schedule (given that they're doing EMI testing now, I wouldn't be surprised if the delivery schedule has slipped even further), and the R32s, R42s, and R44s are hanging by threads. We need new subway cars yesterday. I don't think him playing politics is going to affect the order. One, the R179 order has already been spead up to get everything by September 2018. Also, it seems like this is just a case of paying for what needs to be paid for now. That doesn't mean it pushes back the R211 order. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted July 8, 2017 Share #650 Posted July 8, 2017 Folks, the timeline for the R211 is the same. Nothing is changing other than the option orders coming out of the 2020-24 capital plan rather than all cars being paid for out of the 2015-19 capital plan. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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