Select Bus Service Discussion Thread

[Brillant93]

14 minutes ago, Interested Rider said:

What I find in the presentations and the posts both here and in the print and internet postings is that no one understands  anything about the community that is in opposition to the B/82 sbs and the power that they have concerning the change.

This is a very rich community that is now n a mixture of old time and new time money. Unlike other communities, the community is all about business along with their strong commitment to family and their heritage which  is what binds this community together. When you see them on the street, they dress no differently than anyone else except with the head is possibly covered. The community takes education seriously but prefers to remain in the background politically as you will not see them sitting in the front  row at the mayor's last inauguration, for example. A read of the newspapers will find a name mentioned once in a while on the business or real estate pages and almost never on the crime pages as the only one that I can remember was "Crazy Eddie" and many of us know what happened to him.

This is not like the rest of the city and unless a person did extensive research on the community itself, then one can understand how both the MTA and NYCDOT have gotten into this predicament and what will be the final outcome. The information is there but to find it, one has to go back in New York City history to the 1920's and 1930's when the community settled there and thrived there as well. In fact almost all of their fellow co-religionists know little or nothing about the community except that they are members of the same faith.  This is why it is  one of those situations where the usual "one size fits all"will not work and everything that the textbook says gets thrown out the proverbial window.  

So when the B/82 sbs was proposed, the NYCDOT and the MTA heard the usual refrain on do this thing here and that thing there which is commonplace at these meetings on SBS proposals. So they geared up for implementation of something that they were under the false presumption that would have gotten through and the community can live with it. As the date of implementation got closer and the community saw what it would do, they called in their friends to stop it. The call to arms came in all forms from letter writing to all the elected officials in the area and everyone who has benefited from the community's help in the past. As the reports that have come out over the last couple of days in the media indicate, it shows that this community can have something delayed as it have far more power as compared with any other community and that they will use it to change the B/82 sbs so that the impact upon their community will be minimal.

As i have stated in my previous posts here, the B/82 SBS will run on Avenue P from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street as i have indicated for it does not have the problems of Kings Highway as the Avenue P business district is from McDonald Avenue to Ocean Parkway.  It is three lanes in each direction and this means that the buses have more flexibility on Avenue P. The community does not care about the traffic on Avenue P, vision zero or anything else as it does not impact upon their businesses on Kings Highway. The community has sent a loud and clear message to both the MTA and NYCDOT as well as the rest of the government agencies that want to do something that when you  do anything to our community, you do what we want and not what you want.

 

I keep saying this but it’s keeps getting thrown out the window. They’re not going to put the B82 on avenue P. That would be a lot of money wasted on the already installed sbs machines on the current route. Plus it’s going to take a few more years and outreach. Why would the community not care about what’s on avenue p? I’m pretty sure throwing a route out of the blue on avenue p would be not fair at all to those who live there. On top of that you’re displacing thousands of riders who rely on the B82 to make its limited stops along kings hwy. why would you force thousands of riders to walk two long blocks away from their store, school, and doctors office? Do you not realize how many elderly, disabled, students, and other people use that route? Plus the mta and the dot would have to halt or rework things with contractors on street designs and redo the sbs machines that were never put up which mean tearing up the sidewalk again and paving them over again. That is a hell of a lot of money wasted. The only thing that would happen that would be cost effective is not put the small bus lanes between ocean avenue and bay parkway. Money has already be allocated to this project and you can’t just expect them to just halt everything. Where’s this extra money for an sbs on avenue going to come from? It’s not even studied yet and it’s not taking in account the many others who need it. This vocal minority in the community cannot dictate where a bus route in which many others take should be routed. The sbs is delayed not stopped. Sbs on avenue p is another project that needs to be studied and it needs outreach before anything happens. Unlike the current B82 sbs outreach and studies were done but this community only cared about it until now. So it would only be fair to those who live on avenue p to get the same amount outreach in the same time frame. 

Also the Q44 had the same issue with its bus lanes but was still implemented. 

[MysteriousBtrain]

43 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

Also the Q44 had the same issue with its bus lanes but was still implemented. 

I'll also add on that the M60 was delayed as well and bus lanes were not put on all of 125 St when it first was implemented.

[Brillant93]

17 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

I'll also add on that the M60 was delayed as well and bus lanes were not put on all of 125 St when it first was implemented.

How long was the delay? If I may ask. 

[B35 via Church]

16 hours ago, officiallyliam said:

What about offset bus lanes along Avenue P, allowing for the higher-capacity SBS stops with bus bulbs?

B82 SBS buses would operate in both directions via Avenue P, with locals via Kings Highway; perhaps the rush-hour B7 extension along Kings Highway could be made permanent or extended on to Bay Parkway to make up for the loss of limited B82 service.

Also, just because the full SBS treatment as-proposed might not be right for Kings Highway (at least per the community), that doesn't mean that Kings Highway should receive no bus improvements at all. Queue-jump lanes, partnered with bus-only signals and/or signal priority at intersections could speed up local service, since even a reroute of the faster B82 service will no obviate the need for better bus service along busy Kings Highway.

The sad part about this is, even if you have the B7 & B82 locals operating on Kings Hwy. in this plan y'all are discussing, I still see the B82 SBS (service) on Av. P being more plentiful..... Then again, it isn't really saying much, given the B7's headways/service....

5 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

The B7 runs pretty much the whole day in that area now, not just rush hour (I believe they expanded it around 2004 or so). 

You wouldn't know it by looking at the bus map....

Having the M98, the Q26, & the Bx20 hollowed out on their respective borough's bus maps I can understand, but the B7's span to/from CI/Quentin isn't relegated to rush hours anymore... That's one thing that's always irked me about the maps - they're not consistent with their use of the hollowed out lines (denoting part time service).... If that portion of the B7 is hollowed out, then the Q36 along LNP & the Bx28 south of 205th should be also...

2 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said:

i agree hope a candidate in 21 who will run against deblasio aligned candidate will repeal vision zero

Don't see it happening, unfortunately....

[MysteriousBtrain]

2 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

How long was the delay? If I may ask. 

It was delayed by one year I believe.

 

9 minutes ago, B35 via Church said:

Having the M98, the Q26, & the Bx20 hollowed out on their respective borough's bus maps I can understand, but the B7's span to/from CI/Quentin isn't relegated to rush hours anymore... That's one thing that's always irked me about the maps - they're not consistent with their use of the hollowed out lines (denoting part time service)...

Excuse me going off-topic for a second, but the M106 is treated as part time too when it just has less frequency of service.

[B35 via Church]

2 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Excuse me going off-topic for a second, but the M106 is treated as part time too when it just has less frequency of service.

Yeah, there are other examples of their inconsistency when it comes to that.....

[JeremiahC99]

4 hours ago, Brillant93 said:

How long was the delay? If I may ask. 

I think it was delayed from 2013 to May 2014, IIRC. This was also due to community concerns about parking and traffic.

[Brillant93]

1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

It was delayed by one year I believe.

 

23 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

I think it was delayed from 2013 to May 2014, IIRC. This was also due to community concerns about parking and traffic.

So let’s say hypothetically the B82 sbs is delayed a year would that give enough time for outreach to reroute it on avenue p? If that ever happens. 

[JeremiahC99]

9 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

 

So let’s say hypothetically the B82 sbs is delayed a year would that give enough time for outreach to reroute it on avenue p? If that ever happens. 

Apparently, that reroute should've been discussed with the MTA VERY early in the planning process. Right now, the construction of new SBS machines has already begun at several locations, and the buses are beginning to arrive. I would've also talked about adding an HOV 3+ lane on Kings Hwy, but did not do so since that may have also removed parking spaces. However, i could believe that the SBS could be delayed until at least September or November, give or take.

Edited April 15, 2018 by JeremiahC99

[Brillant93]

7 minutes ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Apparently, that reroute should've been discussed with the MTA VERY early in the planning process. Right now, the construction of new SBS machines has already begun at several locations, and the buses are beginning to arrive. I would've also talked about adding an HOV 3+ lane on Kings Hwy, but did not do so since that may have also removed parking spaces. However, i could believe that the SBS could be delayed until at least September or November, give or take.

That’s the same thing I figured. The machines are going up soon why waste more money on tearing up the sidewalk again to take out sbs machines. Money is being spent. 

[MidwoodMartin]

I forgot to post this here for some reason. If anyone would like to come out tomorrow morning to advocate for the B82 SBS and to counter the opponents, please do so:  https://www.facebook.com/events/1982126291828751/

Please come out if you support the B82 SBS. 

 

 

[Interested Rider]

2 hours ago, JeremiahC99 said:

Apparently, that reroute should've been discussed with the MTA VERY early in the planning process. Right now, the construction of new SBS machines has already begun at several locations, and the buses are beginning to arrive. I would've also talked about adding an HOV 3+ lane on Kings Hwy, but did not do so since that may have also removed parking spaces. However, i could believe that the SBS could be delayed until at least September or November, give or take.

This community is about business and as I stated in my previous posts, they only get involved when it affects their business or is an issue that directly involves them. They rely on others to do the political work and the only elected official that came out of this community was the late Congressman Stephen Solarz and that is over the past 40 years. I read the local publications and there was virtually nothing written on the B/82 sbs until a monthly magazine that caters to this community in this month's issue that I obtained around the beginning of the Passover holiday had on the cover is "Politicians oppose Kings Highway Bus Route". On page 24, there is a letter to the editor which details whom to write letters and a full page article on page 32 outlining the entire problem along with the loss of 100 parking spaces and the impact upon the entire community.  It is unprecedented to see and read this in a publication like this and from my perspective. it is a call to bring in the big guns from both the community and outside the community to have B/82 sbs re-routed from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street and if not ,have it run the way it is now without the add ons such as bus lanes and artics.

Please read my previous post on this subject which looks at how the other sbs services were sold to the public. One of the things that I have learned about progressivism and the administrative state is that the ones in charge feel that they are best to determine what is to be done and the public be damned. Personally, it is my opinion that the Avenue P option was either considered but then discarded or not considered at all when the sbs route was in the planning stages. Neither the MTA nor the NYCDOT were interested in  what this community thought as there had already been a considerable loss of parking spaces over many years before sbs was even mentioned. If this was accepted then it is my opinion that NYCDOT figured that they could eliminate more parking spaces and add in other things like bus lanes and in the future articulated buses to run the entire route. Everything in their mind was  good to go for July 2018 and the machines were being installed in anticipation of that date.

Now the plan has to be changed and once again the city wasted money (most likely federal funds) on something that should have never been started (the machines is what I am referring to d here) until all the communities were on board with it. Government is notorious for wasting money, so this is nothing  but a couple of dollars wasted.  The ones that came up with the B/82 sbs now have to come up with something that will satisfy this politically powerful community and fast if it is to be implemented either this year or early next year.

[Brillant93]

42 minutes ago, Interested Rider said:

This community is about business and as I stated in my previous posts, they only get involved when it affects their business or is an issue that directly involves them. They rely on others to do the political work and the only elected official that came out of this community was the late Congressman Stephen Solarz and that is over the past 40 years. I read the local publications and there was virtually nothing written on the B/82 sbs until a monthly magazine that caters to this community in this month's issue that I obtained around the beginning of the Passover holiday had on the cover is "Politicians oppose Kings Highway Bus Route". On page 24, there is a letter to the editor which details whom to write letters and a full page article on page 32 outlining the entire problem along with the loss of 100 parking spaces and the impact upon the entire community.  It is unprecedented to see and read this in a publication like this and from my perspective. it is a call to bring in the big guns from both the community and outside the community to have B/82 sbs re-routed from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street and if not ,have it run the way it is now without the add ons such as bus lanes and artics.

Please read my previous post on this subject which looks at how the other sbs services were sold to the public. One of the things that I have learned about progressivism and the administrative state is that the ones in charge feel that they are best to determine what is to be done and the public be damned. Personally, it is my opinion that the Avenue P option was either considered but then discarded or not considered at all when the sbs route was in the planning stages. Neither the MTA nor the NYCDOT were interested in  what this community thought as there had already been a considerable loss of parking spaces over many years before sbs was even mentioned. If this was accepted then it is my opinion that NYCDOT figured that they could eliminate more parking spaces and add in other things like bus lanes and in the future articulated buses to run the entire route. Everything in their mind was  good to go for July 2018 and the machines were being installed in anticipation of that date.

Now the plan has to be changed and once again the city wasted money (most likely federal funds) on something that should have never been started (the machines is what I am referring to d here) until all the communities were on board with it. Government is notorious for wasting money, so this is nothing  but a couple of dollars wasted.  The ones that came up with the B/82 sbs now have to come up with something that will satisfy this politically powerful community and fast if it is to be implemented either this year or early next year.

The plan has to be modified but it’s not going on anvenue P. I keep saying this and yet you guys aren’t listen at all. You know the residents on avenue are going to have issue with a bus route on their avenue. That wouldn’t be fair at all to that side of the community. Not only that avenue p has its own congestion issues. If it does happen it would need out reach and fast if the sbs was to be completed. Not only that you’re forgetting the thousands of riders who would be missing direct connection on kings hwy. just because that community isn’t fond of sbs on kings hwy doesn’t mean the thousands of others on the other side should put up with a route going out of its way for their transfers. That’s just selfish. 

[BrooklynBus]

10 hours ago, Interested Rider said:

This community is about business and as I stated in my previous posts, they only get involved when it affects their business or is an issue that directly involves them. They rely on others to do the political work and the only elected official that came out of this community was the late Congressman Stephen Solarz and that is over the past 40 years. I read the local publications and there was virtually nothing written on the B/82 sbs until a monthly magazine that caters to this community in this month's issue that I obtained around the beginning of the Passover holiday had on the cover is "Politicians oppose Kings Highway Bus Route". On page 24, there is a letter to the editor which details whom to write letters and a full page article on page 32 outlining the entire problem along with the loss of 100 parking spaces and the impact upon the entire community.  It is unprecedented to see and read this in a publication like this and from my perspective. it is a call to bring in the big guns from both the community and outside the community to have B/82 sbs re-routed from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street and if not ,have it run the way it is now without the add ons such as bus lanes and artics.

Please read my previous post on this subject which looks at how the other sbs services were sold to the public. One of the things that I have learned about progressivism and the administrative state is that the ones in charge feel that they are best to determine what is to be done and the public be damned. Personally, it is my opinion that the Avenue P option was either considered but then discarded or not considered at all when the sbs route was in the planning stages. Neither the MTA nor the NYCDOT were interested in  what this community thought as there had already been a considerable loss of parking spaces over many years before sbs was even mentioned. If this was accepted then it is my opinion that NYCDOT figured that they could eliminate more parking spaces and add in other things like bus lanes and in the future articulated buses to run the entire route. Everything in their mind was  good to go for July 2018 and the machines were being installed in anticipation of that date.

Now the plan has to be changed and once again the city wasted money (most likely federal funds) on something that should have never been started (the machines is what I am referring to d here) until all the communities were on board with it. Government is notorious for wasting money, so this is nothing  but a couple of dollars wasted.  The ones that came up with the B/82 sbs now have to come up with something that will satisfy this politically powerful community and fast if it is to be implemented either this year or early next year.

First, I don't understand your comment about Stephen Solarz. Chuck Schumer is also from this area. 

Do you have a link to the magazine you are referring to?

I can assure you that Avenue P was never considered. I suggested it to them over a year ago, also suggesting the SBS should continue along 65 Street to Bay Ridge stopping only at even numbered avenues to make bus transfers. Stops on every block would not be necessary since the B9 operates on 60 Street. Eastbound I suggested it go to Gateway Mall and JFK. A proposal like that would have considered latent demand and increased ridership. In fact, federal money was obtained for a route from Bay Ridge called the Southern Brooklyn SBS which is still how it is referred to on the DOT website, not a B82 SBS. If you look for that, you will be directed to pages that are three years old and will not see the current proposal. It is an intentional maze to keep people from finding the details or else utter incompetence. 

All I received was a form letter thanking me for my input. I responded thanking them for failing to address any of the issues I brought up or considering my proposal. The community would only be against an Avenue P route if they try to install exclusive bus lanes. Avenue P cannot afford the loss of traffic lanes which is why they opposed bike lanes from being installed there a few years ago. Exclusive lanes would only be warranted along the curb for one or two hours a day, perhaps only in the peak direction. 

As far as the city wasting money? Anyone else remember Mayor Lindsay's scatter site low income housing which ruined many neighborhoods in the city? The only community successful in stopping it was Breezy Point. The 20 story skeleton was already erected when the community prevented its completion. It stood like an eyesore for 15 years until the city demolished it. 

As far as how the communities have been treated with respect to SBS, I discuss that in detail with respect to the Woodhaven SBS in Part 2 or 3 of my series which will be out next week. 

http://www.gothamgazette.com/opinion/7599-the-great-select-bus-service-conspiracy-part-i

[Interested Rider]

On 4/11/2018 at 3:10 PM, BrooklynBus said:

The reason they are tearing down single family homes is not because no one can afford them. It is because real estate developers can make more money by building condos. Not that development is bad. You just need the infrastructure to support it. We we are not improving the sewers, subways, or bus routes, just putting extra strain on the systems. And yes. This is not Park Slope. People want cars. They need to go to places like Long Island. They don't want to first have to take a 45 minute ride to get to the LIRR. 

And you conveniently don't address the unnecessary bus lanes on the wide portion of Kings Highway. You complain about community dishonesty, you don't address DOT and MTA dishonesty. 

And yes, people will always complain.But they complain far less when you have a good proposal. When I made the southwest Brooklyn bus changes 40 years ago, the only complaints were to the MTA changes to my plan. 

False promises that trios will be quicker for most; false promises that buses will be more reliable. No mention of the degradation of local service. Expect the B82 local to be scheduled every 20 minures with comman waits of 40 minutes. How's that an improvement? Ridership is down on both the B44 and B46 since SBS despite some northbound B49 riders switching to the B44 SBS simply because it comes first. 

 

Because they will be ticketed for parking in the bus lanes. 

 

Your proposal to use Avenue P is what I recommended to DOT a year ago, and they ignored it without any explanation. So much for listening to the community. They could of at least gave a discussion with me which they refused to do. They have also been ignoring suggestions for improvements to other SBS routes also. 

The statement from Brooklyn Bus in this post is not what  he wrote concerning the Avenue P route. Writing on Sunday April 15, 2018 on page 52, in his response to me, he discusses a route from Gateway to Bay Ridge involving Avenue P but has nothing to do with the B82 sbs. 

This is not what I have proposed here as it is designed to modify the proposed B/82 sbs and satisfy the concerns of the community by taking the B/82 sbs off of Kings Highway from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street. It keeps the local with the 40 foot buses running on the street and the existing stops and at the same time for those who want faster service will have  on a street that can handle it (Avenue P),  This removes the proposed bus lanes ,  elimination of parking spots  and is an alternative to what is being proposed by both the MTA and the NYCDOT. 

 

[Future ENY OP]

https://www.kingscountypolitics.com/exclusive-mta-postpones-sbs-b82/

Updated: Friday 4/13/18.

[BrooklynBus]

43 minutes ago, Interested Rider said:

The statement from Brooklyn Bus in this post is not what  he wrote concerning the Avenue P route. Writing on Sunday April 15, 2018 on page 52, in his response to me, he discusses a route from Gateway to Bay Ridge involving Avenue P but has nothing to do with the B82 sbs. 

This is not what I have proposed here as it is designed to modify the proposed B/82 sbs and satisfy the concerns of the community by taking the B/82 sbs off of Kings Highway from Ocean Avenue to West 6th Street. It keeps the local with the 40 foot buses running on the street and the existing stops and at the same time for those who want faster service will have  on a street that can handle it (Avenue P),  This removes the proposed bus lanes ,  elimination of parking spots  and is an alternative to what is being proposed by both the MTA and the NYCDOT. 

 

I didn't mean to imply that we were proposing the exact same thing. We both were proposing that the SBS operate on Avenue P. While you proposed that it be the proposed SBS route, I was proposing further that it run differently at both ends,

[Future ENY OP]

On 4/13/2018 at 11:10 PM, officiallyliam said:

What about offset bus lanes along Avenue P, allowing for the higher-capacity SBS stops with bus bulbs?

B82 SBS buses would operate in both directions via Avenue P, with locals via Kings Highway; perhaps the rush-hour B7 extension along Kings Highway could be made permanent or extended on to Bay Parkway to make up for the loss of limited B82 service.

Also, just because the full SBS treatment as-proposed might not be right for Kings Highway (at least per the community), that doesn't mean that Kings Highway should receive no bus improvements at all. Queue-jump lanes, partnered with bus-only signals and/or signal priority at intersections could speed up local service, since even a reroute of the faster B82 service will no obviate the need for better bus service along busy Kings Highway.

Here's the problem that I have with the B7.. Currently it is run by Fresh Pond.. Before this it was at East New York and Flatbush. If you extend the B7 to Bay Parkway this will possibly mean taking it away from Fresh Pond and putting this under Ulmer Park Territory. From Ulmer Park to Bay Parkway it is only a 5-10 min drive where as from Fresh Pond it has to deadhead via Halsey from Bushwick to it's stop on Saratoga & Halsey.. Basically from what I'm saying if you want to extend the B7 to Bay Parkway, swap depots, and also split the route. The Bay Parkway to Bed-stuy via Kings Highway is too long.

B7 would operate in 2 sections:

Section A: Kings Highway & Flatbush to Bed-Stuy via Kings Highway (Operation: Flatbush) Keep as the current B7

Section B: Bay Parkway & 78th Street to Flatbush Ave via Kings Highway (Operation: Ulmer Park) Establishing a new route: B50

The same goes for the B82. Now that SBS is postponed, they need to focus on some factors such as splitting the route, get structured bus lanes and possibly re-vamp the proposal so that the community is pleased and that the MTA can provide the necessities to produce the service.

 

[T J Trainman]

The B82 is postponed indefinitely?

[Brillant93]

10 minutes ago, T J Trainman said:

The B82 is postponed indefinitely?

Yes at the moment. 

[B35 via Church]

1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

Here's the problem that I have with the B7.. Currently it is run by Fresh Pond.. Before this it was at East New York and Flatbush. If you extend the B7 to Bay Parkway this will possibly mean taking it away from Fresh Pond and putting this under Ulmer Park Territory. From Ulmer Park to Bay Parkway it is only a 5-10 min drive where as from Fresh Pond it has to deadhead via Halsey from Bushwick to it's stop on Saratoga & Halsey.. Basically from what I'm saying if you want to extend the B7 to Bay Parkway, swap depots, and also split the route. The Bay Parkway to Bed-stuy via Kings Highway is too long.

B7 would operate in 2 sections:

Section A: Kings Highway & Flatbush to Bed-Stuy via Kings Highway (Operation: Flatbush) Keep as the current B7

Section B: Bay Parkway & 78th Street to Flatbush Ave via Kings Highway (Operation: Ulmer Park) Establishing a new route: B50

The same goes for the B82. Now that SBS is postponed, they need to focus on some factors such as splitting the route, get structured bus lanes and possibly re-vamp the proposal so that the community is pleased and that the MTA can provide the necessities to produce the service.

1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

https://www.kingscountypolitics.com/exclusive-mta-postpones-sbs-b82/

Updated: Friday 4/13/18.

AFAIC, it boils down to this.... The western portion of the B82 now, isn't as weak/lowly utilized as the old B5 was.... They won't do it, but the route needs to be split..... They will never admit that combining the B5 & the B50 was a mistake - so much so that they later a] extended it to Stillwell/Surf, b] added LTD service to the route, and now c] proposed & are in the stages of implementing SBS onto the thing..... They didn't know what else to do w/ the old B5 back then & now it's coming back to bite them in the ass 20+ years later - and quite frankly (although I don't see them coming out victorious), I'm glad those folks in that part of Brooklyn are fighting the good fight....

That Transit Alternatives group can wish upon a star in saying that SBS would encourage those ppl. to drive less - but seriously now, all biases aside, all bullshit aside - Where is this happening on any noticeable scale in any area that SBS is being ran along some route on? Where?

As far as the B7 to Bay Pkwy. thing, forget it.... Same with the whole moving buses to Av P. bit.....

Edited April 15, 2018 by B35 via Church

[Express Bus Operator]

Why would MTA touch the B7 and that line is slow already at the moment. The more stretching the route continues its the more delays you will experience..... Believe it or not, The 82 will not be modifying anything especially the transfer point at E 16 street for the train. That SBS will be going in service hopefully by fall pick or the latest by winter. Too much money has been invested and many other commuters needs that service......

[Kingjunior34]

I don’t understand these people in Southern Brooklyn. They aren’t the only  area with delays along the B82 look at rockaway station going around that small area can take up to 20 mins the whole route is prone to delays . The people of Southern Brooklyn are making it such a big deal . The 82 isn’t the only sbs route that had problems and protest . You complain about lack of service and efficiency but then what the mta tries to implement something you guys protest . Now delaying the B82 sbs for all communities along the route . Which are all in need of better service 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Kingjunior34

[BrooklynBus]

3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

https://www.kingscountypolitics.com/exclusive-mta-postpones-sbs-b82/

Updated: Friday 4/13/18.

Why is Transportation Alternatives being invited to these meetings? 

3 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Here's the problem that I have with the B7.. Currently it is run by Fresh Pond.. Before this it was at East New York and Flatbush. If you extend the B7 to Bay Parkway this will possibly mean taking it away from Fresh Pond and putting this under Ulmer Park Territory. From Ulmer Park to Bay Parkway it is only a 5-10 min drive where as from Fresh Pond it has to deadhead via Halsey from Bushwick to it's stop on Saratoga & Halsey.. Basically from what I'm saying if you want to extend the B7 to Bay Parkway, swap depots, and also split the route. The Bay Parkway to Bed-stuy via Kings Highway is too long.

B7 would operate in 2 sections:

Section A: Kings Highway & Flatbush to Bed-Stuy via Kings Highway (Operation: Flatbush) Keep as the current B7

Section B: Bay Parkway & 78th Street to Flatbush Ave via Kings Highway (Operation: Ulmer Park) Establishing a new route: B50

The same goes for the B82. Now that SBS is postponed, they need to focus on some factors such as splitting the route, get structured bus lanes and possibly re-vamp the proposal so that the community is pleased and that the MTA can provide the necessities to produce the service.

 

Why can't a route be split among two depots? It seems this would make sense for long routes reducing deadhead mileage. 

[Brillant93]

47 minutes ago, DueceDrives said:

 The 82 will not be modifying anything especially the transfer point at E 16 street for the train. That SBS will be going in service hopefully by fall pick or the latest by winter. Too much money has been invested and many other commuters needs that service......

I've been saying that since end of last week but yet its always "the community is powerful". "The sbs is going to be rerouted on avenue p" , "nothing will be a go until the community is pleased!!!" Like the B82 only affects them as the entire brooklyn. People such as myself benefit from the B82 and having it rerouted on Avenue P would be going out of its way for people like me and many others. 

37 minutes ago, Kingjunior34 said:

I don’t understand these people in Southern Brooklyn. They aren’t the only  area with delays along the B82 look at rockaway station going around that small area can take up to 20 mins the whole route is prone to delays . The people of Southern Brooklyn are making it such a big deal . The 82 isn’t the only sbs route that had problems and protest . You complain about lack of service and efficiency but then what the mta tries to implement something you guys protest . Now delaying the B82 sbs for all communities along the route . Which are all in need of better service 

I passed by the protest today and its funny how they were all against bus lanes and claim it would cause congestion but that whole time they were causing congestion for their protest. So after some mild shopping in ceasers bay plaza these same people were still double parking along kings hwy. Its not them who want better service its the straphangers who do and unfortunately we have to suffer for some people who like to drive to a store who lives about two blocks away while double parked eating or on their phone. 

If it were up to me I would have NYPD have a field day with giving out tickets.