63rd Street Tunnel Shutdown Begins Last week in August.

[RTOMan]

1 minute ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

The  used to run until 10:30pm along with the  but the nonstop G.O’s especially since the pandemic forced it to end at around 8:30/9pm.

If they can keep the  on schedule things wouldn’t be so bad but there has been a few times recently where I needed to take the train from Woodhaven Blvd to Forest Hills and the countdown clock would say 20+ minutes for the next  with another one being 6-7 minutes behind that one. I just give up and take the Q60. 

Actually the was ending early before the pandemic hit..

As far as the  is concerned there was a lot of factors work train movements, lack of crews, Broadway being Broadway being the main culprit..

[Lawrence St]

1 hour ago, RTOMan said:

Actually the was ending early before the pandemic hit..

As far as the  is concerned there was a lot of factors work train movements, lack of crews, Broadway being Broadway being the main culprit..

Really? I always thought 4th Av was the main source of the problem for the .

This is why there needs to be another off-peak local along 4th Av.

[RTOMan]

54 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

Really? I always thought 4th Av was the main source of the problem for the .

This is why there needs to be another off-peak local along 4th Av.

Misconception most of the delays start in Manhattan with that Merger by 57th Street...

[LGA Link N Train]

2 hours ago, RTOMan said:

Misconception most of the delays start in Manhattan with that Merger by 57th Street...

Hmm 57th? And here I thought it was 34th-B’way that was the main culprit of Broadway’s Issues.

[Kamen Rider]

12 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

I’m sorry, did you say EIGHT? I know that PM rush is over at Eight-ish, but people still use the subway at the same volume around 9-10 PM. 

Technically I said about 8:30…

which is also about the time the E and F start all local service southbound.

 

The 2027 M… that’s the last counter-clockwise train to depart Continental. (Yes, I’m one of those weird ducks who doesn’t like using North and South for the closest thing we have to a circle line)

 

the last clockwise train is the 2037 out of Met that arrives at 2156.

So you have about an hour and 20 minutes of peak direction M service arriving at Continental that doesn’t go back.

[CyclonicTrainLookout]

Not sure whether to post this here or at Planned Service Changes, but the  shuttle at 63rd Street will be suspended on the weekend of February 2-5. Instead, Jamaica-bound  and  trains will run through 63rd Street, with Jamaica-bound  service running through 6th Avenue.

[Kamen Rider]

They don’t load the actual GO documents to our internal site until about a week or so before hand, but it’s probably track maintenance on 53rd street. Place hasn’t gotten a break since August…

[RTOMan]

8 hours ago, LGA Link N Train said:

Hmm 57th? And here I thought it was 34th-B’way that was the main culprit of Broadway’s Issues.

Sometimes they send s up to 57th Express thinking it will help with pressure..

It dont....

[darkstar8983]

11 hours ago, RTOMan said:

Sometimes they send s up to 57th Express thinking it will help with pressure..

It dont....

In fact it makes it worse, because:

1. there are timers entering 49 St and 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Express track going up

2. There are timers entering 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Local track going up

3. Yes, the switch that would allow the  to switch to local north of 57 St-7 Av is I think 15 MPH instead of 13 MPH at 34 St-Herald Square, but the use of that switch would mean that local trains cannot enter the station until the express has crossed over. This used to happen in 2010-2016 when an  train that terminated at 57 St-7 Av during the AM rush (around 7:30AM) had to cross over to go to Astoria Blvd via Astoria Express to layup track. Trains that were actually going to Queens got delayed stuck behind the train crossing over.

4. 49 St would be underserved (but then again, it would be a small sacrifice).

 

Southbound, the  would be delayed by having the  cross over south of 57 St (or north of 57 St-7 Av if a punchbox can be installed at 5 Av) in a similar manner 

[darkstar8983]

12 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

They don’t load the actual GO documents to our internal site until about a week or so before hand, but it’s probably track maintenance on 53rd street. Place hasn’t gotten a break since August…

some GOs start showing up as early as one month before they happen (on the MTA site), but those are usually GOs that show up IF they are part of a series of GOs that are occurring over several weeks / weekends.

[RTOMan]

50 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

In fact it makes it worse, because:

1. there are timers entering 49 St and 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Express track going up

2. There are timers entering 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Local track going up

3. Yes, the switch that would allow the  to switch to local north of 57 St-7 Av is I think 15 MPH instead of 13 MPH at 34 St-Herald Square, but the use of that switch would mean that local trains cannot enter the station until the express has crossed over. This used to happen in 2010-2016 when an  train that terminated at 57 St-7 Av during the AM rush (around 7:30AM) had to cross over to go to Astoria Blvd via Astoria Express to layup track. Trains that were actually going to Queens got delayed stuck behind the train crossing over.

4. 49 St would be underserved (but then again, it would be a small sacrifice).

 

Southbound, the  would be delayed by having the  cross over south of 57 St (or north of 57 St-7 Av if a punchbox can be installed at 5 Av) in a similar manner 

I have experienced that fun first hand...

More reasons why im glad i went switching the heck with this road...

[RTOMan]

49 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

some GOs start showing up as early as one month before they happen (on the MTA site), but those are usually GOs that show up IF they are part of a series of GOs that are occurring over several weeks / weekends.

Always found it fun i can see what work they are doing on the Non Employee site than the Employee site first...

[Kamen Rider]

1 hour ago, RTOMan said:

Always found it fun i can see what work they are doing on the Non Employee site than the Employee site first...

Yeah, there’s unconfirmed chatter the M is going to be going to Chambers again, which is the reason the current version of the GO ends mid February. I guess we’ll get some kind of clue next week.

[CenSin]

8 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

the use of that switch would mean that local trains cannot enter the station until the express has crossed over. This used to happen in 2010-2016 when an  train that terminated at 57 St-7 Av during the AM rush (around 7:30AM) had to cross over to go to Astoria Blvd via Astoria Express to layup track. Trains that were actually going to Queens got delayed stuck behind the train crossing over.

Canal Street (), Prince Street (), and 59 Street () are like this too. I’m curious how Coney Island–Stillwell Avenue could possibly be the exception to this issue and why it could not be applied to other way stations. and train could enter on tracks 2 and 3 simultaneously without stopping. Same for the and on tracks 6 and 7 or the and on tracks 4 and 5.

[Lawrence St]

8 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

In fact it makes it worse, because:

1. there are timers entering 49 St and 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Express track going up

2. There are timers entering 57 St-7 Av on the Broadway Local track going up

3. Yes, the switch that would allow the  to switch to local north of 57 St-7 Av is I think 15 MPH instead of 13 MPH at 34 St-Herald Square, but the use of that switch would mean that local trains cannot enter the station until the express has crossed over. This used to happen in 2010-2016 when an  train that terminated at 57 St-7 Av during the AM rush (around 7:30AM) had to cross over to go to Astoria Blvd via Astoria Express to layup track. Trains that were actually going to Queens got delayed stuck behind the train crossing over.

4. 49 St would be underserved (but then again, it would be a small sacrifice).

 

Southbound, the  would be delayed by having the  cross over south of 57 St (or north of 57 St-7 Av if a punchbox can be installed at 5 Av) in a similar manner 

Not to get off topic but I’m starting to get real tired of hearing complaints that 49th St needs 3 services. It does not. (Not saying you are, but in general).

The  and  service it just fine.

[Kamen Rider]

Top 10% station. 

[darkstar8983]

17 hours ago, Kamen Rider said:

Yeah, there’s unconfirmed chatter the M is going to be going to Chambers again, which is the reason the current version of the GO ends mid February. I guess we’ll get some kind of clue next week.

Hopefully it isn’t true. The MTA operations will find any excuse to not run the  on 6 Av.

or if it’s true, maybe the tracks between 47-50 Sts and 57 St also need to be replaced, which would disable the s ability to go to 57 St on weekdays. I think the only time that can be done is during the 10 days that the school kids are out during Presidents’ Day week (midwinter recess from Feb 16-26) similar to how they did it last year with the 42 St switch on 8 Av

Edited January 19 by darkstar8983

[R32 3838]

9 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

Hopefully it isn’t true. The MTA operations will find any excuse to not run the  on 6 Av.

or if it’s true, maybe the tracks between 47-50 Sts and 57 St also need to be replaced, which would disable the s ability to go to 57 St on weekdays. I think the only time that can be done is during the 10 days that the school kids are out during Presidents’ Day week (midwinter recess from Feb 16-26) similar to how they did it last year with the 42 St switch on 8 Av

They are probably sending the to chambers so trains can go via 63rd Jamaica Bound. The would have nowhere to turn  if they do that and sending the via CPW during the rush wouldn't help either. It wouldn't be able to go to 96th/2nd either since it wouldn't be able to access 6th ave southbound. So chambers is the only option.

 

Also if they kept the at 57th while trains are going via 63rd in one direction, It would create delays as well.

Edited January 19 by R32 3838

[darkstar8983]

On 1/19/2024 at 4:49 PM, R32 3838 said:

They are probably sending the to chambers so trains can go via 63rd Jamaica Bound. The would have nowhere to turn  if they do that and sending the via CPW during the rush wouldn't help either. It wouldn't be able to go to 96th/2nd either since it wouldn't be able to access 6th ave southbound. So chambers is the only option.

 

Also if they kept the at 57th while trains are going via 63rd in one direction, It would create delays as well.

that's silly since,  that would be a repeat of the original proposal  (have the  via 63 St in the open direction (  via 53 St) and the  via 53 St in the closed direction, minus the  on  Queens Blvd or 6 Av.

[Wallyhorse]

On 1/17/2024 at 10:33 AM, Lawrence St said:

Really? I always thought 4th Av was the main source of the problem for the .

This is why there needs to be another off-peak local along 4th Av.

This is why I had previously proposed (originally after politicians in Bay Ridge a few years ago called for the  to be split) having the  split into a Nassau  running from Bay Ridge to Canal Street (rebuilt to be a terminal with this  using mainly what is the current northbound (old "southbound express") track on the  at Canal to terminate while the northbound side is fully reopened with the "express" tracks used to relay for any  that terminates on the old "northbound express" track there) while the save for a few rush-hour trains that would end and begin at Broad Street would terminate at Chambers Street, set up where Canal Street southbound is the transfer point between the and  with the reverse northbound at Chambers Street (the  would use the "express" tracks at Chambers to terminate).  This would include this  based out of East New York and have in-service yard runs that end and begin and Broadway Junction while late nights and weekends would be extended to Metropolitan Avenue to absorb the late night and weekend shuttles.  The  would become 19/7 and run from Whitehall to 71st-Continental (with during peak hours, select trains ending and beginning on the tunnel level of Canal Street) and a new "Yellow " operating from 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway on the  to Astoria via the Tunnel to accommodate those who need to reach lower Manhattan from 4th Avenue (this  would max at 6 TPH).  

[Lawrence St]

On 1/19/2024 at 4:49 PM, R32 3838 said:

They are probably sending the to chambers so trains can go via 63rd Jamaica Bound. The would have nowhere to turn  if they do that and sending the via CPW during the rush wouldn't help either. It wouldn't be able to go to 96th/2nd either since it wouldn't be able to access 6th ave southbound. So chambers is the only option.

 

Also if they kept the at 57th while trains are going via 63rd in one direction, It would create delays as well.

Actually, if you cut the  but have the  run express only between 145th St & Chambers St, you can fit the  in there.

[Kamen Rider]

So on the future planned service changes on MTA.info, the M GO is not listed after Presidents Day, but the F side is still listed for the rest of that week... unfortunately, it looks like this will definitely get into March at least. 

[Lawrence St]

5 minutes ago, Kamen Rider said:

So on the future planned service changes on MTA.info, the M GO is not listed after Presidents Day, but the F side is still listed for the rest of that week... unfortunately, it looks like this will definitely get into March at least. 

I wouldn’t rely on that this early. The  outage between 125th St & Hunts Point still shows detailed G.O information for when the  is split in two at 125th St.

[Kamen Rider]

I'm not saying to rely on it, I'm saying "that's what it looks like" 

[Kamen Rider]

And it has now been added.

M to Chambers Street for Presidents Day week (Tuesday through Friday)