Far Rock Depot Posted September 3, 2012 Share #926 Posted September 3, 2012 179s are planned to be spread out between ENY and Pitkin. Here's the logic I see: some 143s to be moved to Pitkin giving the C 143s and 179s. Those 143s will be replaced by more 160s which will be available when east ny gets its 179s. This will make the C 100%(guess) NTT, give more 160s cbtc and "break them in" and have east ny's 179s replace the 42s. Remember hat there's always a domino effect. And another thing I'd like to add that can help make sence: If T/OS are certified for every car, why can't cars go on other lines? "Thou shall keep 143s on Canarsie" and "thou shall keep all 143s together" aren't Commandments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 3, 2012 Share #927 Posted September 3, 2012 It's not about the T/Os; it's about reducing maintenance costs. There's no rule against spreading out cars, but it's better to avoid it when possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 3, 2012 Share #928 Posted September 3, 2012 T/Os were an example/comparison. I didn't use them as a reason as your post suggests. And if you think about it, it won't be much of a cost difference. ENY already handles 3 fleets. Swap 42s with 179s. Pitkin had 3 in the past. If anything, it's the only one majority affected. They currently have 32s and 46s. Swap the 32s with 179s and add 143s. They are similar in design as NTTs in general. Not a large cost difference as it could've been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 3, 2012 Share #929 Posted September 3, 2012 T/Os were an example/comparison. I didn't use them as a reason as your post suggests. And if you think about it, it won't be much of a cost difference. ENY already handles 3 fleets. Swap 42s with 179s. Pitkin had 3 in the past. If anything, it's the only one majority affected. They currently have 32s and 46s. Swap the 32s with 179s and add 143s. They are similar in design as NTTs in general. Not a large cost difference as it could've been. But, if there are no cost savings, why bother to put R143s on the in the first place? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 3, 2012 Share #930 Posted September 3, 2012 There would be no cost savings. However, there would be a number of additional costs, as the L would still require some R143s, resulting in three fleets on the line, and the R179s assigned to the L would have to be outfitted with CBTC, while the CBTC equipment on the C's R143s would be a wasted investment. Such a swap never was, and never will be considered. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted September 3, 2012 Share #931 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) I'm not getting any of this talk I'm reading. The line uses 18 trains. If it gets 260 R179's, isn't 40 spare cars (four trains) adequate enough? (I'm talking full length trains.) That leaves 40 cars for the Eastern Division. Isn't 5 trains enough to replace the remaining R42's? (That's 480' trains) It's like I'm the only one that doesn't like the being this unnecessarily short, oddball line that's 480' long. This is an opportunity for the TA to make the full length. I'm pretty sure riders are happy that it's full length right now, because of the summer swap. They're probably wondering why it isn't like that all year-round. The have to be shorter because of platform limitations. If the orders new cars especially short for this one line, the is going to be an oddball line for the next 40 years. Plus, there'll be little to no flexibility with these oddball cars. You certainly won't see them on the . I imagine people would be highly upset if they had to start running for the , too. They'd say, "Wow, we finally got new cars on the , but now the is shorter. What gives?" To me, this is a simple issue. Why all this car swap discussion? Edited September 3, 2012 by m7zanr160s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 3, 2012 Share #932 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) You're not the only one that wants the to go full length. Ideally the 8 car trains would be just for ENY to retire their R42s and maybe what other extra needs they need. Finally the rest of the order would be 10 car trains for the . The would then bump off some R46s to the . Edited September 3, 2012 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 3, 2012 Share #933 Posted September 3, 2012 I want to ask a question. If the 207th Street Yard (like 240th Street Yard) becomes the second home for the , is Pitkin Yard able to fit all the 38 trains assigned to the , 18 trains assigned to the , and 3 trains assigned to the Rockaway Park Shuttle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted September 3, 2012 Share #934 Posted September 3, 2012 Who forgot about Concourse Yard home of the B , D line. They have enough space to be stored there & R32 used to be stored at Concourse Yard. So they should have space. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted September 3, 2012 Share #935 Posted September 3, 2012 R143 is not R38 . It like R38 had return to service. I know it does not make any sense. Who is start to think R143 is consider as R38 is only for A , C line . It like R38 have been reborn. C line is only part time line & does not run in Late Night. & 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 3, 2012 Share #936 Posted September 3, 2012 R143 is not R38 . It like R38 had return to service. I know it does not make any sense. Who is start to think R143 is consider as R38 is only for A , C line . It like R38 have been reborn. C line is only part time line & does not run in Late Night. & What? What the hell does the R38 have to do with this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depotofrelax Posted September 3, 2012 Share #937 Posted September 3, 2012 You know it was only statement. Only I can say : there were 200 cars of R38 that were into service on A , C line. So why take it big deal of 208 cars of R143 should run C line. It just statement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 3, 2012 Share #938 Posted September 3, 2012 You know it was only statement. Only I can say : there were 200 cars of R38 that were into service on A , C line. So why take it big deal of 208 cars of R143 should run C line. It just statement. Well make a statement with some proper grammar! The R38's are dead and gone, they have nothing to do with the R179's... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSubwayStation Posted September 3, 2012 Share #939 Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) R143 is not R38 . It like R38 had return to service. I know it does not make any sense. Who is start to think R143 is consider as R38 is only for A , C line . It like R38 have been reborn. C line is only part time line & does not run in Late Night. & You know it was only statement. Only I can say : there were 200 cars of R38 that were into service on A , C line. So why take it big deal of 208 cars of R143 should run C line. It just statement. I literally have no freaking clue what you're trying to say here. I'm sorry, but you seem to be violating an NYCTF posting rule: Languages - All public content, including but not limited to titles, signatures or attachments MUST be in the English language. In any case, it's not a question about whether R143s could potentially run on the . It's about whether it's specifically a good idea. For example, R68s could theoretically run on the , but it's hard to see why it would make sense. Edited September 3, 2012 by TheSubwayStation 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted September 3, 2012 Share #940 Posted September 3, 2012 You know it was only statement. Only I can say : there were 200 cars of R38 that were into service on A , C line. So why take it big deal of 208 cars of R143 should run C line. It just statement. R38s have been out of service since 2009, which is about 6-8 years before the R179 is expected to enter service. What exactly do they have to do with it? I literally have no freaking clue what you're trying to say here. I'm sorry, but you seem to be violating an NYCTF posting rule: LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted September 3, 2012 Share #941 Posted September 3, 2012 You guys still haven't answer my question: I need to know how much room Pitkin Avenue Yard can fit all cars assigned to the trains if the takes over 207th yard... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted September 3, 2012 Share #942 Posted September 3, 2012 Is there anything concrete about the 1 taking over 207th Street and the C moving to Pitkin? I know the idea was tossed around, but I haven't read anything about this actually happening any time soon. If any of you have any info on this, please point it out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted September 4, 2012 Share #943 Posted September 4, 2012 You guys still haven't answer my question: I need to know how much room Pitkin Avenue Yard can fit all cars assigned to the trains if the takes over 207th yard... Pitkin isn't big enough to house all of the cars that run on the and Rock Pk .207th would still be used for storeage if it does become the main shop for the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 4, 2012 Share #944 Posted September 4, 2012 Pitkin is big enough to house them for maintenance purposes. 207th would still be an active yard for B Division train storage, as well as providing overhaul shop services. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted September 5, 2012 Share #945 Posted September 5, 2012 Is there anything concrete about the 1 taking over 207th Street and the C moving to Pitkin? I know the idea was tossed around, but I haven't read anything about this actually happening any time soon. If any of you have any info on this, please point it out. they want to do this, so they can rebuild the 240th st barn on the forcing the to use 207th st barn to shop the R62A's, while pitkin yard shops all the (A)/© equipment, not gonna be a good move since all of the cars on the (A)/© are breaking down alot more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 5, 2012 Share #946 Posted September 5, 2012 I still wanna know about all these "breakdowns" on the A/C. Are they invisible or just don't happen when I'm on them? And as far a storage space, when during anytime, short of a storm causing a shutdown, when does every train assigned all get stored in a yard at the same time? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted September 6, 2012 Share #947 Posted September 6, 2012 I think it boils down to the MDBF, which has been low as of late. For pretty obvious reasons. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 6, 2012 Share #948 Posted September 6, 2012 That's the number that matters. MDBF. And from someone who'd have knowledge of that number. Thats something credible and can be taken seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjbr40 Posted September 7, 2012 Share #949 Posted September 7, 2012 according to mta website, there will be 300 179 train cars delivering by 2014. R32 got the last makeover to last for next 2 to 4 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 7, 2012 Share #950 Posted September 7, 2012 they want to do this, so they can rebuild the 240th st barn on the forcing the to use 207th st barn to shop the R62A's, while pitkin yard shops all the (A)/© equipment, not gonna be a good move since all of the cars on the (A)/© are breaking down alot more MBDF. Seriously. Use it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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