NJTE Posted March 16 Share #3676 Posted March 16 6 hours ago, Cait Sith said: Makes more sense to send those back to Wayne than for Fairview to maintain two different fleets of MCIs. I still don't understand why Fairview has MCIs, those things are horrible on all of their lines. I have wondered the same thing about my local depot, must be because of the 321 and 153T 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLiu15 Posted March 16 Share #3677 Posted March 16 21236 active in NJT colors, per FB post. Looks like Wayne garage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted March 16 Share #3678 Posted March 16 I never understood the purpose of MCIs at Fairview tbh. Most their lines are mostly on local streets, and not really for highway express. Another reason why I don't get an MCI being on the 126 tbh (unless its to fill more seats for the demand). It does keep their mileage down though I believe. Also 21236, 21237, and 21238 are all at Wayne. Time to catch the remaining CLs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted March 16 Share #3679 Posted March 16 2 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said: I never understood the purpose of MCIs at Fairview tbh. Most their lines are mostly on local streets, and not really for highway express. Another reason why I don't get an MCI being on the 126 tbh (unless its to fill more seats for the demand). It does keep their mileage down though I believe. Also 21236, 21237, and 21238 are all at Wayne. Time to catch the remaining CLs. I don't mind it on the 126 as much mostly because the line is short and passenger flow on the 126 isn't that bad on an MCI. The 150s, however, especially a reverse peak 158....HORRIBLE. And there's people that bring luggage onto the bus. I rode on a 22000 a few weeks ago on the 158 and the dwell time was forever. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 16 Share #3680 Posted March 16 10 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said: I never understood the purpose of MCIs at Fairview tbh. Most their lines are mostly on local streets, and not really for highway express. Another reason why I don't get an MCI being on the 126 tbh (unless its to fill more seats for the demand). It does keep their mileage down though I believe. Also 21236, 21237, and 21238 are all at Wayne. Time to catch the remaining CLs. Fairview makes no dam sense to begin with. It’s a full service depot, everyone is running late because they have to keep making change for a $1.50 fare, and the MCI’s are just the icing on the cake. I wouldn’t mind the MCI’s on the X variations, but on local routes is insanity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTE Posted March 16 Share #3681 Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Fairview makes no dam sense to begin with. It’s a full service depot, everyone is running late because they have to keep making change for a $1.50 fare, and the MCI’s are just the icing on the cake. I wouldn’t mind the MCI’s on the X variations, but on local routes is insanity. The 159X doesn’t really need MCI’s either, because all it does is run non stop on Blvd East between PABT and 60th Street, goes up 60th Street, turns on Bergenline and runs local till Fairview Garage, where it terminates 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted March 16 Share #3682 Posted March 16 (edited) 10 hours ago, Cait Sith said: I don't mind it on the 126 as much mostly because the line is short and passenger flow on the 126 isn't that bad on an MCI. The 150s, however, especially a reverse peak 158....HORRIBLE. And there's people that bring luggage onto the bus. I rode on a 22000 a few weeks ago on the 158 and the dwell time was forever. I keep saying this, fairview needs to be an all exact fare lines. The dwell times are just too much with the mcis and full service on the Nabis/Artics. I could never be an operator at Fairview, it just looks too stressful and Bergenline would make me quit. Edited March 16 by 553 Bridgeton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmansports Posted March 16 Share #3683 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, 553 Bridgeton said: I keep saying this, fairview needs to be an all exact fare lines. The dwell times are just too much with the mcis and full service on the Nabis/Artics. I could never be an operator at Fairview, it just looks too stressful and Bergenline would make me quit. The forth wall at NJ transit between front line labor force and back office who have full authority to make the changes is made of military grade armor. Only people who have the keys to open the forth wall are the politicians. Just accepted it for what it is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmansports Posted March 16 Share #3684 Posted March 16 Just now, Gmansports said: The forth wall at NJ transit between front line labor force and back office who have full authority to make the changes is made of military grade armor. Only people who have the keys to open the forth wall are the politicians. Just accepted it for what it is Also all Hudson county lines don’t need MCI cruisers, they need low floor buses. These poor elders risk breaking there bones exiting off the MCI and the kneelers are not designed to be used frequently 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmansports Posted March 16 Share #3685 Posted March 16 If you want change, write to the NJ transportation committee board. Than they will convey to bus operations. Than bus operations will seek NJT board for any changes requested. This is from a citizen perspective. But if an actual NjT employee submits the letter, it is likely to be frowned upon. It is preferred for the long bureaucratic approach by the citizens to request changes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted March 16 Share #3686 Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Gmansports said: Also all Hudson county lines don’t need MCI cruisers, they need low floor buses. These poor elders risk breaking there bones exiting off the MCI and the kneelers are not designed to be used frequently Military grade? LOL at military grade 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNR Beacon Line Posted March 17 Share #3687 Posted March 17 NJT management clearly has a weird obsession with cruiser buses. On the busy Hudson County routes they are a disaster. I wonder if the people working in the NJT offices have ever tried to get off an MCI while 8 people are standing in the aisle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTE Posted March 17 Share #3688 Posted March 17 The Hudson county routes need more standard and artic buses, send the coaches to a depot that actually needs them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 18 Share #3689 Posted March 18 Does the 167 count in this? I feel like that route needs standards and artics then cruisers LOL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted March 18 Share #3690 Posted March 18 (edited) Fairview always had mci's at they garage....It wasnt a problem then why it is now ....They still operate routes that still do require them...Same thing with Market st should have kept theres in my opinion ......Those nabis isnt as reliable as most here think...Trust me i know. Pleanty of breakdown over the years to and from NY and passergers and drivers started to complian about that..Drivers mainly had to keep getting up to close the back door....Basicly turning Nabis into MCI cause now everybody has to exit the front ....Mostly all MCI lines gonna have some sort of dwell time due to the one door in certain areas of the route...190 comes straight to mind...Yes Fairview has routes with tight streets etc...But they mainly have mci there due to reliablity issues due to NY being all they routes terminal...People like to get what they pay for...And people from those areas love they MCI's Edited March 18 by biGC323232 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted March 18 Share #3691 Posted March 18 2 hours ago, biGC323232 said: Fairview always had mci's at they garage....It wasnt a problem then why it is now ....They still operate routes that still do require them...Same thing with Market st should have kept theres in my opinion ......Those nabis isnt as reliable as most here think...Trust me i know. Pleanty of breakdown over the years to and from NY and passergers and drivers started to complian about that..Drivers mainly had to keep getting up to close the back door....Basicly turning Nabis into MCI cause now everybody has to exit the front ....Mostly all MCI lines gonna have some sort of dwell time due to the one door in certain areas of the route...190 comes straight to mind...Yes Fairview has routes with tight streets etc...But they mainly have mci there due to reliablity issues due to NY being all they routes terminal...People like to get what they pay for...And people from those areas love they MCI's I think it can be argued that having the 45 Foot units there is an issue. It didn’t seem that problematic when the 40 foot coaches were there, but with the 9000s and 22000s there the problems with them may of become a bit more noticeable. This is just a hypothesis as I don’t have anything that can back it up or dispute it. Hopefully those in the know do have better arguments. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted March 18 Share #3692 Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said: I think it can be argued that having the 45 Foot units there is an issue. It didn’t seem that problematic when the 40 foot coaches were there, but with the 9000s and 22000s there the problems with them may of become a bit more noticeable. This is just a hypothesis as I don’t have anything that can back it up or dispute it. Hopefully those in the know do have better arguments. Thats no issue...Fairview has enough space...They started giving fairview 45 fts early last year to train the drivers on how to deal with 45 footers...Fairview also gonna be a merge garage in the near future with market st and oradell...Thats also a reason why Market street started to learn Fairviews routes.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTE Posted March 18 Share #3693 Posted March 18 56 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: Thats no issue...Fairview has enough space...They started giving fairview 45 fts early last year to train the drivers on how to deal with 45 footers...Fairview also gonna be a merge garage in the near future with market st and oradell...Thats also a reason why Market street started to learn Fairviews routes.. So that’s why I’m seeing more and more Market trippers on the 159 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted March 18 Share #3694 Posted March 18 57 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: Thats no issue...Fairview has enough space...They started giving fairview 45 fts early last year to train the drivers on how to deal with 45 footers...Fairview also gonna be a merge garage in the near future with market st and oradell...Thats also a reason why Market street started to learn Fairviews routes.. That doesn’t answer my inquiry as to if the 45-foot MCIs are a benefit or deterrent to normal service on the Fairview lines. You only touched how it’s no problem in terms of managing equipment at the garage. I’m more curious as to how service has gotten better or worse with the 45-footers over the 40-footers, with everyone arguing for both points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted March 18 Share #3695 Posted March 18 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said: That doesn’t answer my inquiry as to if the 45-foot MCIs are a benefit or deterrent to normal service on the Fairview lines. You only touched how it’s no problem in terms of managing equipment at the garage. I’m more curious as to how service has gotten better or worse with the 45-footers over the 40-footers, with everyone arguing for both points. The main arguement for what i saw is that Fairview dont need MCI...all i did was beg the differ..Its gotta be some what a benifit if they choose to send them there.....I cant speak for increase in ridership for the lines..I also touched on the fact that they also got 45 fts buses to train drivers who where used to 40 fts and nabis and the fact that fairview eventually gonna be a merge garage which also gonna require them...Thats the reason those 40 fts they do got is being moved...Me personally all fairview lines can have them....i also heard that market st drivers are starting to train for 45 fts from wayne Edited March 18 by biGC323232 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted March 19 Share #3696 Posted March 19 9009 and 9011 are at Wayne 6 hours ago, biGC323232 said: The main arguement for what i saw is that Fairview dont need MCI...all i did was beg the differ..Its gotta be some what a benifit if they choose to send them there.....I cant speak for increase in ridership for the lines..I also touched on the fact that they also got 45 fts buses to train drivers who where used to 40 fts and nabis and the fact that fairview eventually gonna be a merge garage which also gonna require them...Thats the reason those 40 fts they do got is being moved...Me personally all fairview lines can have them....i also heard that market st drivers are starting to train for 45 fts from wayne Speaking of Market Street, I did hear they want to get their original PABT routes back in the near future. And I believe Market cant hold 45fts without modifications. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted March 19 Share #3697 Posted March 19 9009 & 9011:Fairview to Wayne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCTransitFilms Posted March 19 Share #3698 Posted March 19 9001 Fairview to Wayne. 9027 might follow behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TyBusLover1 Posted March 19 Share #3699 Posted March 19 2 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said: 9001 Fairview to Wayne. 9027 might follow behind. 1 unit left… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlxMtroD Posted March 19 Share #3700 Posted March 19 15 hours ago, DCTransitFilms said: 9009 and 9011 are at Wayne Speaking of Market Street, I did hear they want to get their original PABT routes back in the near future. And I believe Market cant hold 45fts without modifications. I believe Market Street will get their PABT routes back as soon as the garage is finished with modifications. Garage has been in the works for about a year or so. The back of the garage is evidence. I'm sure that space being built is to allow for 45 foot cruisers to fit in the maintenance shop when going in for fixing and perhaps allow for larger bus lifts to lift the 45s. Before the modifications, Wayne's 45 foot MCIs as some of you have been at Market Street parked alongside with their D4000s and Nabis outside from time to time and overnight for mechanical repairs 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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