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supposedly i saw a document posted from some progressive action site that the rush hour (N) trains that cut out at 57/7 that they will go up to 96/2 when the (Q) is opened 

https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf

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supposedly i saw a document posted from some progressive action site that the rush hour (N) trains that cut out at 57/7 that they will go up to 96/2 when the (Q) is opened 

https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf

 

I already posted this. This was out several weeks ago.

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Update time folks!

 

The entire project is 96.6% complete

 

63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

 

More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th.

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Update time folks!

 

The entire project is 96.6% complete

 

63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

 

More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th.

 

It said 96.6% a few weeks back when I checked the SAS CIC.

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Update time folks!

 

The entire project is 96.6% complete

 

63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf)

 

More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th.

I’m a bit puzzled by how unadaptable these projects are asides from the occasional cost-cutting measures tacked on to the original projects’ more ambitious plans. In software development, there is a model called agile development. And as the name suggests, functional pieces of a project are delivered as soon as they are usable, and optimization is done after delivery. On the other hand, this first phase of the new line has to be completed in its entirety (all 4 stations) before any of them can be put into use. With diamond crossovers to be installed both north and south of 72 Street, it would be desirable to prioritize Lexington Avenue and 72 Street so that it could be put into service earlier.

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I’m a bit puzzled by how unadaptable these projects are asides from the occasional cost-cutting measures tacked on to the original projects’ more ambitious plans. In software development, there is a model called agile development. And as the name suggests, functional pieces of a project are delivered as soon as they are usable, and optimization is done after delivery. On the other hand, this first phase of the new line has to be completed in its entirety (all 4 stations) before any of them can be put into use. With diamond crossovers to be installed both north and south of 72 Street, it would be desirable to prioritize Lexington Avenue and 72 Street so that it could be put into service earlier.

Yes, 63rd and 72nd should get priority.  

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At this point, we're still assuming December as the date it will be finished, correct?

Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline.

 

Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting.

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You do realize preliminary engineering work starts next year, right?

Eh, that's nice. If they actually build Phase 2, I hope it doesn't take as long as Phase 1 did. Whether or not we will see Phase 3... Who even knows? Edited by P3F
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Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline.

 

Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting.

And what about employee qualification? I thought they would run special shuttles (rather than extending the (Q), having to discharge at 57th. This is what they did with the Grand St. shuttle when they were requalifying everyone for the Manhattan Bridge North side. But it's easy to do this for a shuttle, not a full length line).

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And what about employee qualification? I thought they would run special shuttles (rather than extending the (Q), having to discharge at 57th. This is what they did with the Grand St. shuttle when they were requalifying everyone for the Manhattan Bridge North side. But it's easy to do this for a shuttle, not a full length line).

The documents didnt mention that. I would assume it gets mentioned in the next CPOC meeting or maybe the NYCT meeting.

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Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline.

 

Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting.

 

 

I'm skeptical. There's still serious electrical work going on. They're still installing conduits, which isn't good at this stage.

 

But as usual, it will probably be the elevators and escalators that hold everything up.  :angry:

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Can't wait to see the (Q) at 63-Lex. By the way, is it true the (W) is making a comeback to help the (N) on weekdays?

Yes.

 

The (W) will return before the SAS actually opens and will be the weekday Astoria route, while the (Q) will be cut back to 57 St-7 Av at all times until they are ready to open the line in December.

 

Things are always subject to change, but this is the most recent plan.

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And in the 1970s, they had shovels in the ground. I will believe in a full SAS when I see it before my own eyes.

That is true, however, we also had twin recessions from 1969-'75 ('69-'70 and '73-'75) that along with other factors caused NYC to be on the brink of bankruptcy.  Past arrogance caught up in a hurry with NYC and other big cities then.

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That is true, however, we also had twin recessions from 1969-'75 ('69-'70 and '73-'75) that along with other factors caused NYC to be on the brink of bankruptcy.  Past arrogance caught up in a hurry with NYC and other big cities then.

 

We are in the midst of a real estate boom while the global economy is continuing to choke. How long before we see the impacts of the global economy's slowdown here? The boom years don't last forever.

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I just read this following update to the (N) train Wikipedia page:

"N trains that currently short-turn at 57th Street will be extended to 96th Street using the Second Avenue Subway when it opens."

 

The document it cites (Sub-Division B Train Operator/Conductor Road & Non-Road Work Programs - In Effect: 11/6/16) checks out:

https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf

 

I guess some N-train-to-Second-Ave. foamers can now rejoice. 

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I just read this following update to the (N) train Wikipedia page:

"N trains that currently short-turn at 57th Street will be extended to 96th Street using the Second Avenue Subway when it opens."

 

The document it cites (Sub-Division B Train Operator/Conductor Road & Non-Road Work Programs - In Effect: 11/6/16) checks out:

https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf

 

I guess some N-train-to-Second-Ave. foamers can now rejoice. 

 

I posted it here and added it there.

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