S78 via Hylan Posted September 6, 2016 Share #2451 Posted September 6, 2016 (edited) Will be enough cars to revive the when it starts in November? Edited September 6, 2016 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 6, 2016 Share #2452 Posted September 6, 2016 The spare factors will be reduced so there should be enough. If they need to, they could get some R32s out of garbage duty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted September 8, 2016 Share #2453 Posted September 8, 2016 (edited) supposedly i saw a document posted from some progressive action site that the rush hour trains that cut out at 57/7 that they will go up to 96/2 when the is opened https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf Edited September 8, 2016 by BreeddekalbL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 9, 2016 Share #2454 Posted September 9, 2016 supposedly i saw a document posted from some progressive action site that the rush hour trains that cut out at 57/7 that they will go up to 96/2 when the is opened https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf I already posted this. This was out several weeks ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 11, 2016 Share #2455 Posted September 11, 2016 Update time folks! The entire project is 96.6% complete 63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 11, 2016 Share #2456 Posted September 11, 2016 Update time folks! The entire project is 96.6% complete 63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th. It said 96.6% a few weeks back when I checked the SAS CIC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 11, 2016 Author Share #2457 Posted September 11, 2016 Update time folks! The entire project is 96.6% complete 63rd Street is 99% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2063rd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 72nd Street is 90.3% percent complete (http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2072nd%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 86 Street is 91% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2086th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) 96 Street is 94.4% percent complete(http://web.mta.info/capital/sas_pdf/SAS%20Newsletter%2096th%20-%20September%202016.pdf) More info to come in the next MTA CPOC board meeting on September 26th. I’m a bit puzzled by how unadaptable these projects are asides from the occasional cost-cutting measures tacked on to the original projects’ more ambitious plans. In software development, there is a model called agile development. And as the name suggests, functional pieces of a project are delivered as soon as they are usable, and optimization is done after delivery. On the other hand, this first phase of the new line has to be completed in its entirety (all 4 stations) before any of them can be put into use. With diamond crossovers to be installed both north and south of 72 Street, it would be desirable to prioritize Lexington Avenue and 72 Street so that it could be put into service earlier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLiveRock Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2458 Posted September 12, 2016 At this point, we're still assuming December as the date it will be finished, correct? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2459 Posted September 12, 2016 I’m a bit puzzled by how unadaptable these projects are asides from the occasional cost-cutting measures tacked on to the original projects’ more ambitious plans. In software development, there is a model called agile development. And as the name suggests, functional pieces of a project are delivered as soon as they are usable, and optimization is done after delivery. On the other hand, this first phase of the new line has to be completed in its entirety (all 4 stations) before any of them can be put into use. With diamond crossovers to be installed both north and south of 72 Street, it would be desirable to prioritize Lexington Avenue and 72 Street so that it could be put into service earlier. Yes, 63rd and 72nd should get priority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2460 Posted September 12, 2016 At this point, we're still assuming December as the date it will be finished, correct? Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline. Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2461 Posted September 12, 2016 I wonder if Phase 2 will ever get off the planning desk... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2462 Posted September 12, 2016 I wonder if Phase 2 will ever get off the planning desk... You do realize preliminary engineering work starts next year, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2463 Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) You do realize preliminary engineering work starts next year, right?Eh, that's nice. If they actually build Phase 2, I hope it doesn't take as long as Phase 1 did. Whether or not we will see Phase 3... Who even knows? Edited September 12, 2016 by P3F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 12, 2016 Share #2464 Posted September 12, 2016 You do realize preliminary engineering work starts next year, right? And in the 1970s, they had shovels in the ground. I will believe in a full SAS when I see it before my own eyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted September 13, 2016 Share #2465 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline. Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting. And what about employee qualification? I thought they would run special shuttles (rather than extending the , having to discharge at 57th. This is what they did with the Grand St. shuttle when they were requalifying everyone for the Manhattan Bridge North side. But it's easy to do this for a shuttle, not a full length line). Edited September 13, 2016 by Eric B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 13, 2016 Share #2466 Posted September 13, 2016 And what about employee qualification? I thought they would run special shuttles (rather than extending the , having to discharge at 57th. This is what they did with the Grand St. shuttle when they were requalifying everyone for the Manhattan Bridge North side. But it's easy to do this for a shuttle, not a full length line). The documents didnt mention that. I would assume it gets mentioned in the next CPOC meeting or maybe the NYCT meeting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted September 13, 2016 Share #2467 Posted September 13, 2016 Yes and it looks like they may actually meet the deadline. Expect the first test trains in October and expect Q trains to run light to 96 Street in November. More details are coming in the next CPOC meeting. I'm skeptical. There's still serious electrical work going on. They're still installing conduits, which isn't good at this stage. But as usual, it will probably be the elevators and escalators that hold everything up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D to Burke Avenue Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2468 Posted September 14, 2016 Can't wait to see the at 63-Lex. By the way, is it true the is making a comeback to help the on weekdays? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2469 Posted September 14, 2016 Can't wait to see the at 63-Lex. By the way, is it true the is making a comeback to help the on weekdays?Yes. The will return before the SAS actually opens and will be the weekday Astoria route, while the will be cut back to 57 St-7 Av at all times until they are ready to open the line in December. Things are always subject to change, but this is the most recent plan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2470 Posted September 14, 2016 The is coming back and the truncated to 57th Street on November 6th according to the working program... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D to Burke Avenue Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2471 Posted September 14, 2016 Yes. The will return before the SAS actually opens and will be the weekday Astoria route, while the will be cut back to 57 St-7 Av at all times until they are ready to open the line in December. Things are always subject to change, but this is the most recent plan. Ok thank you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2472 Posted September 14, 2016 And in the 1970s, they had shovels in the ground. I will believe in a full SAS when I see it before my own eyes. That is true, however, we also had twin recessions from 1969-'75 ('69-'70 and '73-'75) that along with other factors caused NYC to be on the brink of bankruptcy. Past arrogance caught up in a hurry with NYC and other big cities then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2473 Posted September 14, 2016 That is true, however, we also had twin recessions from 1969-'75 ('69-'70 and '73-'75) that along with other factors caused NYC to be on the brink of bankruptcy. Past arrogance caught up in a hurry with NYC and other big cities then. We are in the midst of a real estate boom while the global economy is continuing to choke. How long before we see the impacts of the global economy's slowdown here? The boom years don't last forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West End Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2474 Posted September 14, 2016 I just read this following update to the train Wikipedia page: "N trains that currently short-turn at 57th Street will be extended to 96th Street using the Second Avenue Subway when it opens." The document it cites (Sub-Division B Train Operator/Conductor Road & Non-Road Work Programs - In Effect: 11/6/16) checks out: https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf I guess some N-train-to-Second-Ave. foamers can now rejoice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted September 14, 2016 Share #2475 Posted September 14, 2016 I just read this following update to the train Wikipedia page: "N trains that currently short-turn at 57th Street will be extended to 96th Street using the Second Avenue Subway when it opens." The document it cites (Sub-Division B Train Operator/Conductor Road & Non-Road Work Programs - In Effect: 11/6/16) checks out: https://progressiveaction.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/sub-division-b-general-distribution-fall-2016-wp-book.pdf I guess some N-train-to-Second-Ave. foamers can now rejoice. I posted it here and added it there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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