Planned Subway Service Changes

[CenSin]

But you and I both know that they're not going to make the local and the express on the Brighton Line for obvious reasons.

The least obvious reason is probably politics. You've got some pretty inconvenient setups in a few places, and for the same reasons why we have the and setup like this as well.

 

For example: the and in the Bronx.

Currently, the (Bronx local) makes 24 stops before reaching 96 Street; the (Bronx express) makes it to 86 Street in only 10 stops from Dyre Avenue. Even including the local stops along the way, the (Bronx local) would only make 17 stops. From Nereid Avenue, the (Bronx express) makes 14 stops to 86 Street. There’s a massive inequality here. The MTA also saw the obvious need to make the express and the local in the Bronx to increase throughput by eliminating the use of what’s functionally a level junction during rush hours, but political pressure kept the status quo. Had the switch been done, the (Bronx express) would have made 17 stops from 241 Street to 96 Street; the (Bronx local) would have made 17 stops to 86 Street; the crossing paths of the and at East 180 Street would have been eliminated.

 

For example: the and in Brooklyn

Currently, the (Fulton Street local) terminates at Euclid Avenue while the serves Lefferts Boulevard, Far Rockaway, and sometimes Rockaway Park. It could easily be extended to Lefferts Boulevard, providing a higher frequency of service to the branch, and allowing the to consolidate its offerings down to 2: Far Rockaway and sometimes Rockaway Park. Instead, political pressure has kept the most sensible arrangement from materializing. And due to that, all 3 branches get the crappiest service possible.

[RollOver]

Didn't we agreed that all Lefferts Boulevard trains are better off turning at Howard Beach-JFK Airport and not sending all of them to Far Rockaway (with those 5 rush hour-peak direction trips to/from Rockaway Park)? More service is needed at Howard Beach and north of that station, not the Rockaway peninsula.

 

We'll talk about this more in the Proposal Thread or maybe a new thread about the upcoming full-line reviews about the and .

[CenSin]

Didn't we agreed that all Lefferts Boulevard trains are better off turning at Howard Beach-JFK Airport and not sending all of them to Far Rockaway (with those 5 rush hour-peak direction trips to/from Rockaway Park)? More service is needed at Howard Beach and north of that station, not the Rockaway peninsula.

 

We'll talk about this more in the Proposal Thread or maybe a new thread about the upcoming full-line reviews about the and .

That doesn’t really go against my point though. Even if the trains had to short-turn, it would be a service improvement: they would no longer be going off on a tangent to an unrelated branch. There would still be more than enough service to eliminate the altogether. Some, though, call for more extremes like owning the entire line: http://www.therockawaysny.com/take-c-train-to-rockaway-beach/

[RollOver]

Eh, those Rockaway Park residents are something else for proposing something that had been eliminated many years ago, but I suppose they can send run the Rock Park shuttle every 10 minutes if all 's go to Far Rock.

[Lance]

Really, the C to Rockaway Park? How about sending it back to Bedford Park while we're at it? I'm not against more service to the Rockaways, but the C is never the option.

[Daniel The Cool]

Really, the C to Rockaway Park? How about sending it back to Bedford Park while we're at it? I'm not against more service to the Rockaways, but the C is never the option.

LOL.

[Wallyhorse]

Really, the C to Rockaway Park? How about sending it back to Bedford Park while we're at it? I'm not against more service to the Rockaways, but the C is never the option.

 

For example: the and in Brooklyn

Currently, the (Fulton Street local) terminates at Euclid Avenue while the serves Lefferts Boulevard, Far Rockaway, and sometimes Rockaway Park. It could easily be extended to Lefferts Boulevard, providing a higher frequency of service to the branch, and allowing the to consolidate its offerings down to 2: Far Rockaway and sometimes Rockaway Park. Instead, political pressure has kept the most sensible arrangement from materializing. And due to that, all 3 branches get the crappiest service possible.

This is why the best thing that could happen is the SAS is extended into Brooklyn by having the go through a new Schermerhorn Street tunnel, stopping at what would be a re-activated (from the Transit Museum) Court Street station before going to Hoyt-Schermerhorn and becoming the Fulton Local.  Then you can have the be express to Lefferts and the concentrate on The Rockaways, sending enough trains to Rockaway Park to eliminate the shuttle while having most other trains go to Far Rockaway and some 's short-turn at Howard Beach (which for that likely would need to have a third platform added just for terminating trains that could also be used for a late-night between Howard Beach and Rockaway Park).

[Lance]

I was trying to solve a problem now, not in 2491 when Second Ave is extended out of Manhattan.

[Daniel The Cool]

This is why the best thing that could happen is the SAS is extended into Brooklyn by having the go through a new Schermerhorn Street tunnel, stopping at what would be a re-activated (from the Transit Museum) Court Street station before going to Hoyt-Schermerhorn and becoming the Fulton Local. Then you can have the be express to Lefferts and the concentrate on The Rockaways, sending enough trains to Rockaway Park to eliminate the shuttle while having most other trains go to Far Rockaway and some 's short-turn at Howard Beach (which for that likely would need to have a third platform added just for terminating trains that could also be used for a late-night between Howard Beach and Rockaway Park).

No. Just no

[GreatOne2k]

Two ideas

 

1. Split the line into three branches summer weekends only 8am-8pm.  Lefferts will be happy they will have an express so the longer waits wouldn't be a big deal to them.

 

2. Extend every other from Euclid to Rockaway Park summer weekends only 8am-8pm.

[RollOver]

Yeah, no.

[alekr]

Interesting. The is running via the in both directions. I think it due to preparation for the rehabs 

 

 

Trains run via the in both directions between Stillwell Av and 36 St
 

trains and free shuttle buses provide alternate service
Weekends, 11:30 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon, Jul 17 - 20  •  Jul 24 - 27  

No trains at 86 St, Avenue U, Kings Hwy, Bay Pkwy, 20, 18 Avs, Fort Hamilton Pkwy and 8 Av.

Travel Alternatives
buses run between Stillwell Av and 59 St, making all stops.

trains provide alternate service between 59 St and 36 St.

• Transfer between trains and buses at Stillwell Av or New Utrecht Av/62 St.
• Transfer between trains and buses  at 59 St.
• Transfer between and trains at 36 St.
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[paulrivera]

Anyone else knew that variations of the / weekend GOs in the Bronx are supposed to last until October? They're not installing anything ATO related AFAIK but I'm still calling dibs on the acronym:

 

Catch

Bus

To the

Concourse

[trainfanrod]

I guess this the year the MTA is focus on # lines most 234567 lines

[alekr]

The MTA should focus on a weekend shutdown on the Astoria portion since it having so many issues. A full weekend would be ideal to allow workers to focus on switches and the signals. 

[Mysterious2train]

For most of the weekend, southbound trains are running via 53rd St/8th Av all the way from Roosevelt Av to Jay Av.

 

However, there's this short little G.O. in the interim: 

 

 Coney Island-bound trains run via the  from Roosevelt Av to 47-50 Sts

 

Late Evening, 9:45 PM to 11:45 PM, Friday, Jul 17

Trains run express from Roosevelt Av to Queens Plaza.

No Coney Island-bound  service at 21 St-Queensbridge, Roosevelt Island,
Lexington Av/63 St and 57 St.

 

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Normally I'd see no point in having such a short G.O., but it means 2 more hours of work being done at Lexington Av-63 St, it's well worth it. I'm amazed at how the station renovation still isn't done. I know having to maintain service through the station impairs work, but still. 

Edited July 18, 2015 by Mysterious2train

[N6 Limited]

 

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Normally I'd see no point in having such a short G.O., but it means 2 more hours of work being done at Lexington Av-63 St, it's well worth it. I'm amazed at how the station renovation still isn't done. I know having to maintain service through the station impairs work, but still. 

 

Right. I mean what are they doing that it takes YEARS?

[Javier]

For once the dosent have any service changes...

[alekr]

Trains run via the between W 4 St and Jay St-MetroTech in both directions

Weekends, 11:45 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon, Aug 7 - 10  •  Aug 14 - 17

Trains run local between W 4 St and 59 St-Columbus Circle in both directions.

No service at Spring, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and High Sts.

Travel Alternatives

For Spring, Canal, and Chambers Sts, take the instead. Transfer between trains at W 4 St.

For Fulton St, take the instead. Transfer at Delancey/Essex Sts or use the
at nearby World Trade Center Station.  

For High St, use the nearby York St Station instead.
 

 

Trains run via the between W 4 St and Jay St-MetroTech in both directions

Weekends, Saturday and Sunday, Aug 8 - 9  •  Aug 15 - 16

No service at Spring, Canal, Chambers, Fulton and High Sts.

Travel Alternatives

For Spring, Canal, and Chambers Sts, take the instead. Transfer between trains at W 4 St.

For Fulton St, take the instead. Transfer at Delancey/Essex Sts or use the
at nearby World Trade Center Station.  

For High St, use the nearby York St Station instead. 

 

I guess they will start the fix and fortify at the Cranberry Tubes. 

[Mysterious2train]

Right. I mean what are they doing that it takes YEARS?

 

Since I don't want to clutter up this thread, I'll reply to you in the Second Avenue Subway thread. 

[trainfan22]

The first weekend in August there won't be NO service and the is out between 96th and 180th, is extended to New Lots all weekend and the will run in two sections. I wonder if they will dip into the line's fleet to make service on the line, as y'all know sometimes they use the line's cars on the Bowing Green -149th portion of the ...

[S78 via Hylan]

The will still have access to it's yard that weekend, so it will just use it's regular equipment. As for the southern portion of the , you might be right.

[Javier]

 

[paulrivera]

Hmm, the Lexington Avenue line southbound's going to share the same track the whole way on the weekend in a few weeks... and before anyone asks, the won't be running.

 

 Crown Heights-bound trains run local from 125 St to 14 St-Union Sq 

Weekends, 12:01 AM Sat to 5 AM Mon, Aug 15 - 17  •  Aug 22 - 24 

• Please allow additional travel time. 

Note: The downtown platform at 103 St is closed for renovation.

 

 

 Brooklyn Bridge-bound trains skip Astor Pl, Bleecker St, Spring St and Canal St 

Weekends, 11:45 PM Fri to 5 AM Mon, Aug 14 - 17  •  Aug 21 - 24 

For service to these stations, take the  to Brooklyn Bridge and transfer to an 
uptown  local or . 

For service from Astor Pl, Bleecker and Spring Sts, take the  or  to 
14 St-Union Sq and transfer to a downtown  or . 

For service from Canal St, take the  instead. 

 

 

Right. I mean what are they doing that it takes YEARS?

Taking the false walls down on the platforms, all the orange tiles on the walls, re-do the platforms, fix the escalators, put up new tiles on the walls, and replacing the elevator. They're basically trying to make a new station.

Edited July 22, 2015 by paulrivera

[N6 Limited]

Taking the false walls down on the platforms, all the orange tiles on the walls, re-do the platforms, fix the escalators, put up new tiles on the walls, and replacing the elevator. They're basically trying to make a new station.

Nice. At first i thought they were just going to take down the false walls and call it a day , but I can see the progress being made.