Daniel The Cool Posted November 19, 2015 Share #726 Posted November 19, 2015 That's possible, but elsewhere I suggested having the vintage train from Broad to Broadway Junction on the since you also have a lot of shopping in lower Manhattan. This would also have it stop at the Fulton Transportation Center that the could highlight as well. No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 19, 2015 Share #727 Posted November 19, 2015 No And what is so wrong exactly with for one year having the Holiday train run on the Nassau line if it keeps it away from other lines that are going to be disrupted by this G.O.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted November 19, 2015 Share #728 Posted November 19, 2015 Its only one Arnine train. Plus 6 Av is busy during the holiday season. And then you have Rockerfeller Center which has the Christmas tree. Makes sense to run it there in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 19, 2015 Share #729 Posted November 19, 2015 Its only one Arnine train. Plus 6 Av is busy during the holiday season. And then you have Rockerfeller Center which has the Christmas tree. Makes sense to run it there in the first place. Oh I agree, but if this G.O. is going to disrupt it then I would put it on a line where that is not the case. Other option to me if you CAN keep it on 6th Avenue is to have it also run via the Willy B to Myrtle or Broadway Junction (using the express track after Marcy both ways since it would be the only train using that track) so it doesn't disrupt the terminating at 2nd Avenue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted November 19, 2015 Share #730 Posted November 19, 2015 Oh I agree, but if this G.O. is going to disrupt it then I would put it on a line where that is not the case. Other option to me if you CAN keep it on 6th Avenue is to have it also run via the Willy B to Myrtle or Broadway Junction (using the express track after Marcy both ways since it would be the only train using that track) so it doesn't disrupt the terminating at 2nd Avenue. No this again... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted November 19, 2015 Share #731 Posted November 19, 2015 Yep... Quite the extensive GO for the time of year... I think you can kiss that Holiday R1 goodbye too... This will not affect the Holiday Train. A few years ago, the C train terminated at Second Avenue while the Holiday train was running and everything worked out fine. That's possible, but elsewhere I suggested having the vintage train from Broad to Broadway Junction on the since you also have a lot of shopping in lower Manhattan. This would also have it stop at the Fulton Transportation Center that the could highlight as well. This is completely asinine. While there is some shopping in Lower Manhattan, the great majority of shopping and attractions during the Holiday Season is in midtown. As far as operations planning is concerned, the Vintage Train will just serve as one of the additional sets running out of 2nd Avenue. No No this again... You know, just saying "no" without any reasoning and facts to back it up doesn't endow your argument with any more validity than the one of the person you are responding to. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted November 19, 2015 Share #732 Posted November 19, 2015 Its only one Arnine train. Plus 6 Av is busy during the holiday season. And then you have Rockerfeller Center which has the Christmas tree. Makes sense to run it there in the first place. They could make it two trains by adding the Triplexes. Broadway would be an alternative if 6th isn't available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted November 19, 2015 Share #733 Posted November 19, 2015 This will not affect the Holiday Train. A few years ago, the C train terminated at Second Avenue while the Holiday train was running and everything worked out fine. ... As far as operations planning is concerned, the Vintage Train will just serve as one of the additional sets running out of 2nd Avenue. I agree they can still fit in the holiday train - It's very popular and I doubt they'd scrap it. I'm not sure it will "just serve as one of the additional sets" though. The train usually spends a fair amount of time at 2nd ave between runs. I'm not sure they could or would want to turn it around as fast as they'd turn your average F train around. Still - if we're assuming they're running the extra F trains to supplement the missing D trains on 6th ave - we can safely assume they won't be adding more than 6tph. A solo track at 2nd ave can easily turn 6tph. The holiday train is only one run in each direction every 90 minutes. They could make it two trains by adding the Triplexes. Broadway would be an alternative if 6th isn't available. I highly doubt they'd run two holiday trains. Theoretically it could run on broadway I suppose - Only 12tph running through the 60 st tube that that would be the only bottleneck. I wonder if they'd fumigate and turn at canal or run it all the way down to whitehall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted November 19, 2015 Share #734 Posted November 19, 2015 This will not affect the Holiday Train. A few years ago, the C train terminated at Second Avenue while the Holiday train was running and everything worked out fine. This is completely asinine. While there is some shopping in Lower Manhattan, the great majority of shopping and attractions during the Holiday Season is in midtown. As far as operations planning is concerned, the Vintage Train will just serve as one of the additional sets running out of 2nd Avenue. You know, just saying "no" without any reasoning and facts to back it up doesn't endow your argument with any more validity than the one of the person you are responding to. Of course it would be better if it were on 6th Avenue for obvious reasons. Running it on Nassau would be strictly if it disrupted 6th Avenue too much. As for either way extending it to Myrtle or Broadway Junction (again, using the express track after/before Marcy in both directions), that would be simply so it can terminate where it would NOT interfere with the extra trains terminating at 2nd Avenue and at whichever is easier (Myrtle or Broadway Junction) to terminate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted November 19, 2015 Share #735 Posted November 19, 2015 Yes, run it on Nassau so people can see what wonderful condition the stations there are in. Although, it might be better to run it via Broadway if there aren't service changes there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dj Hammers Posted November 19, 2015 Share #736 Posted November 19, 2015 They could make it two trains by adding the Triplexes. Broadway would be an alternative if 6th isn't available. 6112 and 6095 do not have the capacity required to run the route without incurring long boarding times. Also, the D-9 won't run the 2nd Avenue-Queens Plaza route because door controls won't trainline. Doesn't mean that they won't make an appearance however.. Of course it would be better if it were on 6th Avenue for obvious reasons. Running it on Nassau would be strictly if it disrupted 6th Avenue too much. As for either way extending it to Myrtle or Broadway Junction (again, using the express track after/before Marcy in both directions), that would be simply so it can terminate where it would NOT interfere with the extra trains terminating at 2nd Avenue and at whichever is easier (Myrtle or Broadway Junction) to terminate. You seem to have missed the point that 2nd Avenue can handle both the Holiday Train and extra F service 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted November 20, 2015 Share #737 Posted November 20, 2015 Yes, run it on Nassau so people can see what wonderful condition the stations there are in. Although, it might be better to run it via Broadway if there aren't service changes there. I actually remembered them doing that in 2004 from 57 to Whitehall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 20, 2015 Share #738 Posted November 20, 2015 I actually remembered them doing that in 2004 from 57 to Whitehall If they do that, I might actually ride it again... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 1, 2016 Share #739 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) An interesting upcoming change: Shuttle train service is extended to Whitehall St Late Nights, 12:01 AM to 6:30 AM, Sat and Sun, Jan 30 - 31 12:01 AM to 5 AM, Monday, Feb 1 Service operates between 95 St and Whitehall St. Edited January 1, 2016 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 1, 2016 Share #740 Posted January 1, 2016 Track work on the 4th Ave express tracks or train storage on the 4th Ave express tracks I assume. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RestrictOnTheHanger Posted January 1, 2016 Share #741 Posted January 1, 2016 Track work on the 4th Ave express tracks or train storage on the 4th Ave express tracks I assume. Its work on the express tracks, the and are all local 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 1, 2016 Share #742 Posted January 1, 2016 Its work on the express tracks, the and are all local And also the fact that they don’t just randomly decide to park trains on the express tracks to impede normal late-night service, since it’s more expensive. There must be a major storm of some sort, and being announced 30 days ahead, it can’t be a storm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted January 1, 2016 Share #743 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) An interesting upcoming change: Shuttle train service is extended to Whitehall St Late Nights, 12:01 AM to 6:30 AM, Sat and Sun, Jan 30 - 31 12:01 AM to 5 AM, Monday, Feb 1 Service operates between 95 St and Whitehall St. Track work on the 4th Ave express tracks or train storage on the 4th Ave express tracks I assume. And also the fact that they don’t just randomly decide to park trains on the express tracks to impede normal late-night service, since it’s more expensive. There must be a major storm of some sort, and being announced 30 days ahead, it can’t be a storm. Its most likely just work on 59 Street.They've converted all the platform edges to the ADA tile except the Manhattan bound express track (which the uses late nights). Since the would have to move over to the local track, it can't terminate at 36 Street (fumigation would mess up the - the reason it runs on the express track in the first place.) The last time they did this (to create the groove the ADA tiles sit in) the was running as a one track OPTO shuttle from 95 Street to 59 Street on the Bay Ridge track so they could do survey work on the platform edge at Bay Ridge Avenue (also getting ADA tile- thanks to itmaybeokay for that info) and track work near 77 Street.Obviously at that point the work didn't affect the late night . I would assume during regular hours the is running local. Edited January 1, 2016 by Around the Horn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted January 1, 2016 Share #744 Posted January 1, 2016 (edited) I would assume during regular hours the is running local. It is along with the . Edited January 1, 2016 by S78 via Hylan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallyhorse Posted January 2, 2016 Share #745 Posted January 2, 2016 An interesting upcoming change: Shuttle train service is extended to Whitehall St Late Nights, 12:01 AM to 6:30 AM, Sat and Sun, Jan 30 - 31 12:01 AM to 5 AM, Monday, Feb 1 Service operates between 95 St and Whitehall St. I know from subsequent posts why it's being done here, but this is one change that ought to be made permanent as it allows the to cover all of Brooklyn and allow for a one-seat ride to all IRT transfers except the . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted January 2, 2016 Share #746 Posted January 2, 2016 Its most likely just work on 59 Street.They've converted all the platform edges to the ADA tile except the Manhattan bound express track (which the uses late nights). Since the would have to move over to the local track, it can't terminate at 36 Street (fumigation would mess up the - the reason it runs on the express track in the first place.) The last time they did this (to create the groove the ADA tiles sit in) the was running as a one track OPTO shuttle from 95 Street to 59 Street on the Bay Ridge track so they could do survey work on the platform edge at Bay Ridge Avenue (also getting ADA tile- thanks to itmaybeokay for that info) and track work near 77 Street.Obviously at that point the work didn't affect the late night . I would assume during regular hours the is running local. It actually can terminate on the local tracks at 36th Street with the and local (They still do that during certain G.Os and Cold Weather Plans). But because the work is also where it usually relays, they're extending it to Whitehall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted January 2, 2016 Share #747 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) I know from subsequent posts why it's being done here, but this is one change that ought to be made permanent as it allows the to cover all of Brooklyn and allow for a one-seat ride to all IRT transfers except the . The shuttle as it currently is, requires at least one transfer to get to/from destinations along Broadway and 6 Avenue. But for people coming or going to 8 Avenue, 7 Avenue, or Lexington Avenue stations and stations that the and don’t reach, it requires two transfers if not three (when late night service changes knock out the usual options). Among the stations not reachable without two transfers during late nights only: All of the stations, excluding the ones served by the or All of the IRT stations, excluding the ones served by the and All of the stations exclusive to the , , , , , , and When you’re looking at 20-minute headways, 2 transfers isn’t very palatable, and an that at least makes it to Atlantic Avenue–Barclays Center would be so much more useful. Edited January 2, 2016 by CenSin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted January 2, 2016 Share #748 Posted January 2, 2016 Planned Service Changes ALL TIMES 12:01 AM Monday, Dec 28 Until Spring 2016 Brooklyn-bound trains skip 80 St and 111 StTravel alternatives 80 St Station: For service to 80 St, take the Brooklyn-bound to Grant Av and transfer to a Far Rockaway/Lefferts Blvd-bound . For service from this station, take a Far Rockaway/ Lefferts Blvd-bound to 88 St and transfer to a Brooklyn-bound . 111 St Station: For service to 111 St, take the Q112 bus (days & evenings), or Brooklyn-bound to 104 St and transfer to a Lefferts Blvd-bound . For service from this station, take a Lefferts Blvd-bound to Lefferts Blvd and transfer to a Brooklyn-bound . Planned Service Changes UPDATE 3 subway4 subway ALL TIMES Until Winter 2015/16 Trains skip Rockaway Av and Van Siclen Av in both directions Bus icon Shuttle buses provide alternate service To/from Rockaway Av, free shuttle buses operate to/from Saratoga Av station at all times. B60 customers can transfer to/from shuttle buses at Rockaway Av. To/from Van Siclen Av, shuttle buses operate to/from Pennsylvania Av station at all times. Free transfer is available with MetroCard. Map of service change and suggested travel alternatives Click here to plan your trip with Trip Planner+, or call 511 for automated travel information 24/7; agents are available from 6 AM to 10 PM daily. Hearing impaired customers: use your preferred relay service provider or the free 711 service relay to reach 511. If you cannot be connected for any reason, you can ask the representative to connect you to 511 via the following phone number: 877-690-5116. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted January 3, 2016 Share #749 Posted January 3, 2016 It actually can terminate on the local tracks at 36th Street with the and local (They still do that during certain G.Os and Cold Weather Plans). But because the work is also where it usually relays, they're extending it to Whitehall I dont think the TA would want spend money on overnight shuttle buses for the shuttle, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 3, 2016 Share #750 Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Something small and interesting: three weeks ago when I checked the GOs for this weekend one listed southbound trains as rerouted via the and the from 71 Av to Jay St, with southbound and trains both running local in Queens. The reroute GO was eventually removed from the site and obviously isn't happening this weekend, but according to the MTA's site southbound trains are running local from 71 Av to Queens Plaza all weekend, but the is not listed as running local. so I assume it's running express like normal. And just to keep this story going, on the posters for this weekend's GOs put up in stations, southbound trains are listed as running local from 71 Av to Queens Plaza (Queens Plaza, not Queensbridge), which seems like 2 mistakes in 1. Edited January 3, 2016 by Mysterious2train 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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