blazer Posted September 29, 2012 Share #1 Posted September 29, 2012 M96, M31 amongst many other overcrowded and slow routes in Manhattan need articulated buses!!!! at least during rush hour when kids are trying to get to school and people trying to get to work. Why do most crosstown routes in Manhattan have artics and not the M96? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MTA Bus Posted September 29, 2012 Share #2 Posted September 29, 2012 Actually, the M31 does use LFSAs during rush hours sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted September 29, 2012 Share #3 Posted September 29, 2012 The M96 was never really much of an artic route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted September 29, 2012 Share #4 Posted September 29, 2012 MTA Bus (the member) beat me to it.... while not all day obviously, they do run artics on M31's.... As far as artics on the M96, IMO, it doesn't really warrant them enough... Other routes out of 100th st Tuskegee airmen need the artics more (M86, M101-M103)... M96 not nearly as much.... M106, not at all..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted September 29, 2012 Share #5 Posted September 29, 2012 M96, M31 amongst many other overcrowded and slow routes in Manhattan need articulated buses!!!! at least during rush hour when kids are trying to get to school and people trying to get to work. Why do most crosstown routes in Manhattan have artics and not the M96? You gotta remember that the M96 crosstown was at MHV (the only non-artic having depot in all of MaBSTOA) before Tuskegee took it over at the beginning of this year. And now that Tuskegee had the route, they probably can't really spare the artics being that all their previous routes were all artic. Not to mention the fact that their might be clearance issues with the underpass the routes has to pass under in central park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transit bx Posted September 29, 2012 Share #6 Posted September 29, 2012 Don't forget about the outer boros like brooklyn and especially queens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted September 29, 2012 Share #7 Posted September 29, 2012 it costs many thousands of dollars to retofit or build the needed infustucture that is needed to operate artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 29, 2012 Share #8 Posted September 29, 2012 Don't forget about the outer boros like brooklyn and especially queens. No, I don't see justification of artics on lines like the B41 or B46. Both are fine with the 40' buses. I don't need to deal with longer headways especially when there are bottlenecks to the north that can lead to delays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted September 29, 2012 Share #9 Posted September 29, 2012 When a route has the second highest ridership in the country, I see no justification as to why the route DOESN'T have artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted September 29, 2012 Share #10 Posted September 29, 2012 The M96 may not necessarily warrant artics, but in morning Rush Hour some buses can get pretty crowded. Lexington Av is a pretty big stop for people heading West. You already have buses deadheading from Tuskegee Airmen to the West Side, so the MTA could run those in service and add extra service for pretty much nothing. It's kind of amusing seeing crowded M96s next to Not In Service deadheading buses. It also makes me glad I don't have to take the 96. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted September 29, 2012 Share #11 Posted September 29, 2012 You gotta remember that the M96 crosstown was at MHV (the only non-artic having depot in all of MaBSTOA) before Tuskegee took it over at the beginning of this year. And now that Tuskegee had the route, they probably can't really spare the artics being that all their previous routes were all artic. Not to mention the fact that their might be clearance issues with the underpass the routes has to pass under in central park. I don't think they are any clearance issues since those D60HFs are 11ft tall, exactly the height limit for the transverse. I think it's more the first thing you said, just would be too many buses. I don't think TU could fit 135 artics + 15 or so O7s for the M106, which is prolly close to what it'd work out to. You'd have to use the upper floors more, and traffic going to the ramp is already a pain for ops pulling out of there. If anything, they could have used artics while out of Quill, but they decided not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted September 29, 2012 Share #12 Posted September 29, 2012 Eventally the B46 will recieve artics, i don't no when because there is no additiobal artic orders being planned after the 328 to replace the 2000-02 nfl's and the exspanison for bp and jfk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted September 30, 2012 Share #13 Posted September 30, 2012 M96 is not slowed all the time. M96 is slow now because of SAS Construction and TA B/O had go through narrow streets of 96th and 97th Sts in SAS Zone. Properly artic will not be possible now b/c of construction narrowing streets. M42 is another busy bus routes that always overcrowded and never had artic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted September 30, 2012 Share #14 Posted September 30, 2012 M96, M31 amongst many other overcrowded and slow routes in Manhattan need articulated buses!!!! at least during rush hour when kids are trying to get to school and people trying to get to work. Why do most crosstown routes in Manhattan have artics and not the M96? Bus schedules are written so that the loads on the buses fall within guidelines. If buses are truly overcrowded, it's usually either because there's a service disruption or because ridership has increased during a particular time period since the last time loads were checked (on local buses, loads are checked every two years). When artics are introduced to a line, service is made slightly less frequent, since fewer buses are needed to accommodate the same number of riders. Artics certainly don't speed up service - with more people on each bus, dwell times are potentially slightly longer, and buses are less likely to skip stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #15 Posted September 30, 2012 No! Keep RTS's on the 31. It is so difficult to find an RTS in Manhattan now! (Honestly, I could care less now at the moment). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted September 30, 2012 Share #16 Posted September 30, 2012 Artics cannot fit in some depots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazer Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share #17 Posted September 30, 2012 M96 is not slowed all the time. M96 is slow now because of SAS Construction and TA B/O had go through narrow streets of 96th and 97th Sts in SAS Zone. Properly artic will not be possible now b/c of construction narrowing streets. M42 is another busy bus routes that always overcrowded and never had artic. Yes M42 can be a busy route but at least there is the alternative of the 7 or shuttle to get crosstown. 96 St doesn't have that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazer Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share #18 Posted September 30, 2012 MTA Bus (the member) beat me to it.... while not all day obviously, they do run artics on M31's.... As far as artics on the M96, IMO, it doesn't really warrant them enough... Other routes out of 100th st Tuskegee airmen need the artics more (M86, M101-M103)... M96 not nearly as much.... M106, not at all..... from what i can see, there is only 1 artic on M31 at any given time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 30, 2012 Share #19 Posted September 30, 2012 When a route has the second highest ridership in the country, I see no justification as to why the route DOESN'T have artics. If you want to wait longer for longer buses, be my guest.... artics almost always means frequency cuts and that problem is compounded when they are bunched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted September 30, 2012 Share #20 Posted September 30, 2012 Back around 2005-2007 , I remember I did see a D60HF on the M96. It was running via the Park. I think at that time it was an MJQ route. (Correct me if im wrong) The M96 could use ether additional buses or an artic. PM is hell on that route, especially at CPW [EB], 5th / Lex [EB]. Sometimes I just wait for the M106 (less frequent, but better), if im heading east.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted September 30, 2012 Share #21 Posted September 30, 2012 Back around 2005-2007 , I remember I did see a D60HF on the M96. It was running via the Park. I think at that time it was an MJQ route. (Correct me if im wrong) The M96 could use ether additional buses or an artic. PM is hell on that route, especially at CPW [EB], 5th / Lex [EB]. Sometimes I just wait for the M106 (less frequent, but better), if im heading east.. The only time I remember the M96 going to Quill was after the June 2010 cuts, then it eventually went back to MHV before Tuskegee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted September 30, 2012 Share #22 Posted September 30, 2012 the m42 might get artics in the near future when the next ordersof artice come,. there will be atotal of 256 buses ordered because of the 90 xd60's they will have some where between 20-25 extra busses after they replace the 260 2000-2002 nfl's 60's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q19Astoria21St Posted October 8, 2012 Share #23 Posted October 8, 2012 The M116 needs to be a all artic again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted October 8, 2012 Share #24 Posted October 8, 2012 The only time I remember the M96 going to Quill was after the June 2010 cuts, then it eventually went back to MHV before Tuskegee. Nah, West Side/Quill has had those routes before. West Side had the M96 and M106 in the late 90s, and I know Quill had the M96/M106 from 2002 to mid-2004 or so. Can't remember if they got it back any later than that and my memory's rough on whether or not they had it for 2000 and 2001, but 2010 definitely wasn't the first time Quill had those routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted October 9, 2012 Share #25 Posted October 9, 2012 Nah, West Side/Quill has had those routes before. West Side had the M96 and M106 in the late 90s, and I know Quill had the M96/M106 from 2002 to mid-2004 or so. Can't remember if they got it back any later than that and my memory's rough on whether or not they had it for 2000 and 2001, but 2010 definitely wasn't the first time Quill had those routes. Oh, well thanks for the clarification. I wasn't aware that Quill had those routes before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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