Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Daniel The Cool]

2 hours ago, Trainmaster5 said:

Quick questions  for everyone. Is the Empire State Building observation deck open or closed ? I promised my youngest nephews that I’d take them on a LIRR trip to visit there and Macy’s Herald Square this summer. I made the promise Christmas Day. I think the 12 year old might understand but the 10 year old is a tough customer. He’s actually angry that his school is closed. He misses his classmates.

Closed under the PAUSE order.

[Union Tpke]

LONG LIVE R32S!

[Jacob]

On 12/6/2011 at 10:30 AM, Rick44 said:

I actually love the R32's and as long as the RFW is still intact, I'll keep loving them, and wishing they ran on the .

Bruh foamers be like "OMG R32 Q TRAIN IS IN SERVICE!!!!"

[Calvin]

The Siemens between Jamaica and C.I are 1/2 in groups and a straight number movement:

At Jamaica Yard, 8843-8887, 8893-8912, 8918-8937, 8943-8977, 8983-9002 with 5-car breaks: 9013-9017 and 9053-9057. 

Coney Island has 9003-9012, 9018-9052, 9058-9102. Scrambled 5-car sets: 8888-8892, 8913-8917, 8938-8942, 8978-8982.

 

Also,  the swap between Jamaica/Coney Island moved quickly compared to the  and   reaching Spring 2020 as their deadline despite the essential service. 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Calvin

[VIP]

8 minutes ago, Calvin said:

The Siemens between Jamaica and C.I are 1/2 scrambled and a straight number movement:

At Jamaica Yard, 8843-8887, 8893-8912, 8918-8937, 8943-8977, 8983-9002 with 5-car breaks: 9013-9017 and 9053-9057. 

Coney Island has 9003-9012, 9018-9052, 9058-9102. Scrambled 5-car sets: 8888-8892, 8913-8917, 8938-8942, 8978-8982.

 

Also,  the swap between Jamaica/Coney Island moved quickly compared to the  and   reaching Spring 2020 as their deadline despite the essential service. 

They may uniform the Siemens sets when they get set to 207th in exchange for R46’s. Doubt that’s gonna be the official move but it’s been discussed. 

[Daniel The Cool]

1 minute ago, Calvin said:

The Siemens between Jamaica and C.I are 1/2 scrambled and a straight number movement:

At Jamaica Yard, 8843-8887, 8893-8912, 8918-8937, 8943-8977, 8983-9002 with 5-car breaks: 9013-9017 and 9053-9057. 

Coney Island has 9003-9012, 9018-9052, 9058-9102. Scrambled 5-car sets: 8888-8892, 8913-8917, 8938-8942, 8978-8982.

 

Also, noticing that, the swap moved quickly compared to the  and  . 

Well to be fair the reason why it took longer with the  and  swap was that they needed to modified the R142As and ordered B Cars as well as brand new R188s in order to make 11 car trains and on top of they had to do testing when the trains were modify which obviously takes time.

[Jacob]

1 hour ago, Daniel The Cool said:

Well to be fair the reason why it took longer with the  and  swap was that they needed to modified the R142As and ordered B Cars as well as brand new R188s in order to make 11 car trains and on top of they had to do testing when the trains were modify which obviously takes time.

I think the  train is having more Siemens rather than the  and  trains. In march 4th I caught a Siemens  train in Delaney St Essex Street (Coney island Bound, Middle car number #8858.) And It was a new transferred Siemens during the Jamaica and CIY swap. And #9013-9017 Was the first Transferred Siemens shared from the  and , Also the other cars on the Jamaica yard should be the Siemens that are running on the  line or I can be wrong. Also it's quick because they didn't have to do any type of testing on the cars so It's not gonna take years like the Westchester and The corona yard swap

 

 

Edited April 27, 2020 by Jacob

[Collin]

2 hours ago, VIP said:

They may uniform the Siemens sets when they get set to 207th in exchange for R46’s. Doubt that’s gonna be the official move but it’s been discussed. 

Why would they want all the Siemens sets at 207th?

[VIP]

4 hours ago, Collin said:

Why would they want all the Siemens sets at 207th?

Uniformity

[Collin]

So then what would go to Jamaica to replace the Siemens sets there?

[AJ of JGD]

6 minutes ago, Collin said:

So then what would go to Jamaica to replace the Siemens sets there?

They’re talking about the ones still in Coney Island.

[OrionVIIonM79]

On 12/6/2011 at 10:30 AM, Rick44 said:

I actually love the R32's and as long as the RFW is still intact, I'll keep loving them, and wishing they ran on the .

Well the rich people on 2nd av won’t like them. They are already bitching about the R68s

[Collin]

4 hours ago, VIP said:

Uniformity

But would they be able to swap all the R46's in 207th?  I doubt it, so they'd have R46's, R160's, and R179's.  So that would be worse for uniformity at 207th, but Coney Island would only have R46's and R68's.

 

[Fuseguy is Cool]

R160s in 207th would not fit in at all imo, since now all 13 R179  trains are in service and R46s will be running too

[LGA Link N Train]

2 hours ago, OrionVIIonM79 said:

Well the rich people on 2nd av won’t like them. They are already bitching about the R68s

Not to go off topic, but why is it ALWAYS the East Side and Astoria complaining with every transit related thing that happens?

Edited April 27, 2020 by LaGuardia Link N Tra

[OrionVIIonM79]

1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Not to go off topic, but why is it ALWAYS the East Side and Astoria complaining with every transit related thing that happens?

this is because the UES is one of the richest neighborhoods in the country. They want only the best trains. I’m not sure about Astoria

[MeeP15-9112]

1 hour ago, LaGuardia Link N Tra said:

Not to go off topic, but why is it ALWAYS the East Side and Astoria complaining with every transit related thing that happens?

They are spoiled.

IMO the ones to be complaining are those who were stuck riding the . They had to put up with the R46s for 35 years.

If they keep complaining, the  should make trains of R32s on the  provide all service (sounds evil hehe) for two full weeks so that they can learn that the world does not revolve around them.

Edited April 27, 2020 by MeeP15-9112
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[R32 3838]

3 hours ago, Fuseguy is Cool said:

R160s in 207th would not fit in at all imo, since now all 13 R179  trains are in service and R46s will be running too

they'll go to pitkin for service vs. 207th.

 

i think the only reason why they're talking about this is the fact the only has 13 NTT's and the R46's MDBF is dropping. So putting 10 more tech trains on the would have the be 50/50 and the R46's would dominate the .

[Collin]

I can't find any footage of an R46  train.  I don't think the swap would be done to spare  customers from the R46's since they'd just be running on other services instead.  However, it is possible that Coney Island is better equipped to maintain them in their old age.  I think it used to be (and maybe still is) that anything in 207th Street Yard ran on the  while anything in Pitkin Yard ran on the , but when both lines are all full length, I could see it being a shared fleet between the two lines.  It would be interesting to see Siemens R160's on the  because they've never regularly run there before.  

[trainfan22]

They don't assign cars based on MDBF, well in modern times at least. If they did that then R32s wouldn't have been assigned to the in recent years.

 

If the R46 MDBF is supposedly dropping so fast (is there even any proof of this?) then Pikin Yard would just have to deal with it or try to figure what's the main cause of failure on the R46s and try and fix it.

[R32 3838]

3 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

They don't assign cars based on MDBF, well in modern times at least. If they did that then R32s wouldn't have been assigned to the in recent years.

 

If the R46 MDBF is supposedly dropping so fast (is there even any proof of this?) then Pikin Yard would just have to deal with it or try to figure what's the main cause of failure on the R46s and try and fix it.

Just like the R32's it's age and now since they're on 3 other 24/7 routes the mdbf is expected to drop. the difference with the R32's on the they ran mainly rush hours. the R46's count up for 78 to 80% of the lines fleet plus the spare factor drop due to the needing 72 R46's.

Edited April 28, 2020 by R32 3838

[Jacob]

4 hours ago, Collin said:

I can't find any footage of an R46  train.  I don't think the swap would be done to spare  customers from the R46's since they'd just be running on other services instead.  However, it is possible that Coney Island is better equipped to maintain them in their old age.  I think it used to be (and maybe still is) that anything in 207th Street Yard ran on the  while anything in Pitkin Yard ran on the , but when both lines are all full length, I could see it being a shared fleet between the two lines.  It would be interesting to see Siemens R160's on the  because they've never regularly run there before.  

Siemens on the  line?  trains has 8 cars not 10 cars, Also it can be possible that R46s can be running on the  line but doesn’t that means the  train will have some? Also I don’t understand the The  train having Siemens.. they have the R179s? What else do they need?

[Collin]

The  uses Coney Island Yard and the  uses Concourse Yard, so not the same fleet.  When the  returns it's going to be a combination of 480 foot R179's and 600 foot R46's, but it was suggested that they might swap the remaining Siemens R160's in Coney Island Yard to 207th Street Yard.  The Siemens R160's are 10 car 600 foot trains, so they could be used on either the  or  like the R46's do now.  There's going to be trains of different lengths until the R211's come in, but as for whether the R211's run on the , it remains unknown.   I do question why it would make sense to make the swap, since I don't see it making any yard completely uniform without creating non-uniformity elsewhere.  And you're right, both lines already have NTT's with the R179's.

[Jacob]

On 4/27/2020 at 9:27 AM, Collin said:

So then what would go to Jamaica to replace the Siemens sets there?

R211’s???? I have no Idea..

[1998NewFlyer]

Are the r46s all gone from Jamaica?