JeremiahC99 Posted August 25, 2018 Share #126 Posted August 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, Lance said: And the problem with that is...? Shifting gears, for those interested, 1811-15 are now eqipped with the Lexington Ave yard markers. The cars also have the refresh upgrades except for the split standee poles. So they have the arrows at the doors that direct passengers into the cars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 25, 2018 Share #127 Posted August 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: That just shifts the sharing of cars from the and to the and . You just created another combined strip map. There will never be a pair of lines that share cars but has a single line strip map. That’s why combined strip maps and FIND displays were invented. 32 minutes ago, Lance said: And the problem with that is...? Shifting gears, for those interested, 1811-15 are now eqipped with the Lexington Ave yard markers. The cars also have the refresh upgrades except for the split standee poles. Right. Any combined strip map would be relatively short-lived anyway. Per the Fast Forward plan, the 7th Avenue Line, including the Lenox Avenue branch, will be scheduled to get CBTC during the second five years of the plan. So they will have to begin planning for the replacements for the R62/R62A cars during the first five years. I would think the replacement cars will have FIND displays. Edited August 25, 2018 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 27, 2018 Share #128 Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) On 8/22/2018 at 3:31 PM, jon2305 said: I guess so SMH... So far the list of green stickers include: R62As (1686-1690)(1701-1705)(1751-1755 Note: 1751 still has only 1 purple left)(1811-1815)(1966-1970)(2006-2010) (2471-2475). I saw 2006-2010 and 2471-2475 today in the same train, green stickers and all. Interesting how they seem to focus on the yard stickers on the R62/R62A cars, yet not on the R142/R142A/R188 cars. I wonder why that is. Quote Apparently, the reason they're using the green stickers is because the train are being maintained at East 180th/Unionport. I'm not sure how true this is tho. It can't be. Why would they need any R62As on the ? It has plenty of R142s to make service. It's not like 20 years ago, when the ran all Redbirds and they needed a couple trains of R62As to work in OPTO on the late night shuttle. Edited August 27, 2018 by T to Dyre Avenue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 28, 2018 Share #129 Posted August 28, 2018 5 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: Interesting how they seem to focus on the yard stickers on the R62/R62A cars, yet not on the R142/R142A/R188 cars. I wonder why that is. Don't quote me on this, but I think it's to help get rid of the oddball red sticker (ex-240 St) cars that exist in Westchester. The change of the ex-Corona stickers to green also helps identity the green lex line, just like 240 St and Corona also do with their color stickers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share #130 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Don't quote me on this, but I think it's to help get rid of the oddball red sticker (ex-240 St) cars that exist in Westchester. The change of the ex-Corona stickers to green also helps identity the green lex line, just like 240 St and Corona also do with their color stickers. That is the one. Also, on some 5-car formations, there are cars mixed with red and purple (both Corona single units) together. The green sticker will be placed by the mixed colors out of the trainset. Edited August 28, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 28, 2018 Share #131 Posted August 28, 2018 In 2018 why does the color matter?? I don’t see the R142’s/A’s with colored stickers or R160’s... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 28, 2018 Share #132 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: Don't quote me on this, but I think it's to help get rid of the oddball red sticker (ex-240 St) cars that exist in Westchester. The change of the ex-Corona stickers to green also helps identity the green lex line, just like 240 St and Corona also do with their color stickers. Maybe so, but I’m surprised they put the green stickers on 2471-75, the highest numbered R62A cars. They’ve always been on the , except possibly for the year after 9/11, when the ran from 148th St to 14th St only, and mostly with red-sticker R62As while the ran predominantly with blue-sticker R62As that normally ran on the . I guess now they’ll be on the . 18 hours ago, VIP said: In 2018 why does the color matter?? I don’t see the R142’s/A’s with colored stickers or R160’s... I have to agree. Now if the A Division fleet were made up entirely of R62/R62A cars, then it would probably make more sense to continue having colored yard stickers on the cars. But we don’t see them on the R142 or R142A cars. In the early days, some R142 cars did have colored stickers under their number plates, but those had a totally different meaning from the colored yard stickers used on the R62 and Redbird cars. The R142 colored stickers signified some kind of mechanical modification. Eventually, they were removed, and no visible attempt so far has been made to employ color coded yard stickers on the R142 or R142A cars. Edited August 28, 2018 by T to Dyre Avenue 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted August 28, 2018 Share #133 Posted August 28, 2018 People are being too Obsessive-Compulsive about 2471-2475 being at Westchester. As long as it's an R62A, that's all that matters. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 29, 2018 Share #134 Posted August 29, 2018 5 hours ago, GojiMet86 said: People are being too Obsessive-Compulsive about 2471-2475 being at Westchester. As long as it's an R62A, that's all that matters. If it’s an R62A and nothing else, then we can argue why any of them need Yard stickers. It’s not obsessive, it’s obvious, New York City Subway cars are Numbered for a reason, and if the R62A’s are gonna be scattered inconsistently we all have a green light to chime in and disagree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted August 29, 2018 Share #135 Posted August 29, 2018 I mean, it's just numbers. Dosen't really do anything except label sh*t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted August 29, 2018 Share #136 Posted August 29, 2018 7 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said: I mean, it's just numbers. Dosen't really do anything except label sh*t. And as long as each yard has enough trains to make service, that’s ALL that matters. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted August 29, 2018 Share #137 Posted August 29, 2018 16 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said: I have to agree. Now if the A Division fleet were made up entirely of R62/R62A cars, then it would probably make more sense to continue having colored yard stickers on the cars. But we don’t see them on the R142 or R142A cars. In the early days, some R142 cars did have colored stickers under their number plates, but those had a totally different meaning from the colored yard stickers used on the R62 and Redbird cars. The R142 colored stickers signified some kind of mechanical modification. Eventually, they were removed, and no visible attempt so far has been made to employ color coded yard stickers on the R142 or R142A cars. That's been my thought since I heard of this relabeling project in the first place. The yard stickers made perfect sense when the and (notorious car sharing lines) both used redbirds and the 62s/62As were predominately on the and lines and those cars can be easily confused with each other at a casual glance. Nowadays, only the and have that potential for misplaced cars, whereas the does not interact with any other line that uses 62s or 62As in any fashion. This whole thing sounds like some idea from the suits that nobody vetoed on grounds of pointlessness. On a separate issue, has anyone seen a full ten car set of refurbished 62As in service? I ask because I've yet to come across one. One half of the train always looks all bright and shiny while the other half remains drab and depressing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted August 29, 2018 Share #138 Posted August 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lance said: That's been my thought since I heard of this relabeling project in the first place. The yard stickers made perfect sense when the and (notorious car sharing lines) both used redbirds and the 62s/62As were predominately on the and lines and those cars can be easily confused with each other at a casual glance. Nowadays, only the and have that potential for misplaced cars, whereas the does not interact with any other line that uses 62s or 62As in any fashion. This whole thing sounds like some idea from the suits that nobody vetoed on grounds of pointlessness. On a separate issue, has anyone seen a full ten car set of refurbished 62As in service? I ask because I've yet to come across one. One half of the train always looks all bright and shiny while the other half remains drab and depressing. Recently on the , I've seen a few sets like 2306-2310/2156-2160 were recently in consist so I was able to see the white LED lights in 1-(10-car consist). Nothing special to be honest but, R62As definitely don't look utterly depressing with those lights as oppose to a lot of them that still do have the older florescent lights. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 29, 2018 Share #139 Posted August 29, 2018 9 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said: And as long as each yard has enough trains to make service, that’s ALL that matters. It seems otherwise, they’re spending money to update rollsigns and put stickers under number plates... if these machines are to just make service, why they go to incredible lengths to update the cars’ cosmetics? What they need to spend money on is maintenance! That’s ALL that Really MATTERS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted August 30, 2018 Share #140 Posted August 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, VIP said: It seems otherwise, they’re spending money to update rollsigns and put stickers under number plates... if these machines are to just make service, why they go to incredible lengths to update the cars’ cosmetics? What they need to spend money on is maintenance! That’s ALL that Really MATTERS. No need to get so worked up about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted August 30, 2018 Share #141 Posted August 30, 2018 5 hours ago, S78 via Hylan said: No need to get so worked up about it. Who’s worked up? It’s all text... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 30, 2018 Author Share #142 Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) Units from the Shuttle previously Livonia: 1940-1952-27 and 31, Corona leftover unit 1904 in the middle: new 5-car train set. This is the next mixed consist as 1 car out of 5 has LED signs. Also, they sport green stickers with warning signs. The total is 44 trains. The total of 20 of Shuttle units are left the same: just 1921-2-5 as the 3-car train.. with 1939 as the swapped unit. *something before one more day of August until September. Edited August 30, 2018 by Calvin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 31, 2018 Author Share #143 Posted August 31, 2018 9943-6, 9959-62: 207 St returned to ENY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted September 1, 2018 Share #144 Posted September 1, 2018 Saw them today, crossing the bridge, in service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 1, 2018 Author Share #145 Posted September 1, 2018 (edited) Greetings, everyone. September 1st 2018 list: It's back to school season, so enjoy summer while you can for a few more weeks. Couple of changes to see. IRT A Division, North lines of NYC Subway: 240 St Yard Kawasaki R62: 1306-1310 and 1431-1434:1438, Bombardier R62A: 1826-1830, 1841-1900, 2156-2220, 2226-2345, 2351-2455 (355) Total trains: 36 Livonia Yard Kawasaki R62: : 1301 -1305, 1311-1365, 1371-1430, 1441-1625: 305 cars - 30 trains 42 St: 1921-1922/1925, 1928-1930, 1932-1933, 1935-1937, 1939, 1941, 1945-1946, 1950-1951, 1953, 1955-1956 - 20 cars total (3-4-3) : Bombardier R142 Subway cars 239 St - 6301-6710: 410 cars: 41 trains E.180 St/Unionport: 6711-7115: 405 cars - 40 trains Jerome Av Yard (By the Tracey Towers) Bombardier R142: 1101-1250, 7116-7180: 215 cars- 21 trains Kawasaki R142A: 7591-7660, 7666-7810: 215 cars- 21 trains Total trains: 42 Westchester Yard Bombardier R62A: 1651-1825, 1831-1840, 1911-1920, *1931-1927-1904-1952-1940, 1942-1938-1926-1924-1934, 1943-1944+1947-1949, 1954:1957-1960, 1961-2155, 2221-2225, 2346-2350, 2456-2475 Total trains: 44 Corona Yard Kawasaki R188 *CBTC Flushing line Converted sets: 7211-7590, C car units: 7899-7936 (38), Factory made units: 7811-7898 (8) Total 11-car trains: 46 *The remaining single R62As are for work service/to be determined: 1901, 1902, 1903, 1905, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1910, 1923 Notes: 1921-1922, 1925 are grouped together for the seatless experiment train with 1939 moved to the Shuttle, swapped units from the shuttle are 1927, 1931, 1940 and 1952 with 1904 from Corona Yard paired in the middle of the 5-car train. Made up of former Corona units, 240 St and Shuttle units: The total of the is similar to the with their R188s. The difference is that 2 trains were lost from the count of 45-46 after SAS ridership on the East Side of Manhattan, line. There's a loss and gain difference after the and switch . ----------------- B Division (BMT/IND): South lines of NYC Subway Rockaway - 207 St / Pitkin Yard Budd R32: 3354-3355, 3360-3361, 3376-3377, 3380-3381, 3384-3385, 3388-3389, 3394-3397, 3400-3401, 3404-3405, 3410-3411, 3414-3417, 3424-3433, 3436-3443, 3446-3449, 3452-3453, 3460-3461, 3472-3473, 3484-3485, 3488-3489, 3496-3497, 3512-3515, 3518-3519, 3522-3523, 3574-3575, 3586-3587, 3590-3591, 3606-3607, 3610-3611, 3618-3619, 3624-3625, 3654-3655, 3660-3661, 3682-3683, 3688-3689, 3706-3707, 3714-3719, 3728-3729, 3730-3733, 3738-3739, 3770-3771, 3782-3783, 3792-3793, 3798-3799, 3804-3807, 3810-3811, 3818-3823, 3829-3829, 3834-3835, 3840-3841, 3864-3865, 3872-3873, 3876-3879, 3888-3889, 3896-3897, 3924-3925, 3928-3929, 3932-3933 3383:3890, 3444:3777, 3445:3468, 3520:3891, 3548:3593, 3644:3621, 3658:3471, 3419:3740 (Total count: 166) Alstom R160A-1 (made up of 4-car sets) : 8585-8652, 9947-9958, 9963-9974 (Total count: 92) Pullman R46 5846-5953, 5958-6149, 6156-6205, 6208:6210, 6212:6214,6216:6218, 6220:6222, 6224:6226, 6228:6230, 6232:6234, 6236:6238, 6240:6242, 6244:6246, 6248:6250, 6252:6254, 6256:6258, [6152-6153:6206-6207] *5954-57, 6074-77 on the G as a temporary loan East New York Yard Budd R32: 3454-3455, 3476-3477, 3500-3501, 3550-3551, 3578-3579, 3614-3615, 3646-3647, 3664-3665, 3670-3673, 3698-3699, 3708-3709, 3726-3727, 3736-3737, 3772-3775, 3778-3781, 3856-3857, 3870-3871, 3886-3887, 3894-3895, 3900-3901, 3912-3913, 3938-3939 3628:3669, 3650:3767, (54 cars In-total) St. Louis R42: 4788-4817, 4820-4839 (50 cars In-total) Kawasaki R143 (*CBTC 14 St-Canarsie Line) : 8101-8312 - 212 cars Alstom R160A-1: (CBTC: 8313-8376), 8377-8584, 9943-9946, 9959-9962: Total cars- 280 Bombardier R179: 3050-3069, 3074-3141: 80 cars In-service / 88 Jamaica Yard Pullman R46: 5482-5845 (364 cars) Alstom R160A-2: 9238-9247, 9273-9442, 9483-9802 *Some R160A-2 feature the Cuomo wrapped scheme (490 cars) Kawasaki R160B: 8773-8777, 8838-8842, 9108-9112, 9123-9142, 9153-9162, 9168-9172, 9178-9182, 9188-9192, 9203-9207, 9218-9222 (refurbished units), 9223-9232, 9803-9942 (210 cars) Concourse Yard Westinghouse R68: 2500-2775 (276 cars) Coney Island Yard Westinghouse R68: 2776-2915 (140 cars), 2916-2924- units used on the Shuttle Kawasaki R68A: 5001-5200 (200 cars) Alstom R160A-2/R160B: 8653-8712, 9233-9237, 9248-9272, 9443-9482 (A-2), 8713-8772, 8778-8837, 9103-9107, 9113-9122, 9143-9152, 9163-9167, 9173-9177, 9183-9187, 9193-9202, 9208-9217 (320 cars) Siemens R160B: 8843-9102 (260 cars) Notes: The uses both 8 car 62 ft trains (R160A-1 or 32) and 75 ft trains (R46) The is 8-car 62 ft trains on weekdays. During the weekends (to Essex St), the train is 4-cars. The Crosstown is 4 75 ft cars per train (R68) *Other facts: Refuse R32 units: 3494-5, 3510-1, 3552-3, 3642-3, 3694-5 That's all. Edited September 1, 2018 by Calvin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share #146 Posted September 10, 2018 3646-3647, 3672-3673, 3828-3829, 3856-3857, 3894-3895 to 207 St from ENY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coney Island Av Posted September 10, 2018 Share #147 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 3376-3377, 3396-3397, 3406-3407, 3426-3427, 3442-3443: ENY to 207 St 3430-3431, 3500-3501, 3550-3551, 3628-3669, 3900-3901: Also to 207 St Remaining R32s on the : 3578-3579, 3650-3767, 3670-3671, 3698-3699, 3716-3717, 3736-3737, 3770-3775, 3778-3779, 3780-3781, 3870-3871, 3886-3887, 3912-3913, 3938-3939 (34 cars total, four sets) Edited September 10, 2018 by Coney Island Av 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted September 18, 2018 Share #148 Posted September 18, 2018 Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this but does anyone know what the latest date the MTA wants to have the be all R160 for Queens Blvd CBTC? Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 6 Ave Local Posted September 18, 2018 Share #149 Posted September 18, 2018 19 hours ago, LexAveExp5 said: Not sure if this is the right thread to ask this but does anyone know what the latest date the MTA wants to have the be all R160 for Queens Blvd CBTC? Thanks I think sometime during/after the shutdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted September 19, 2018 Share #150 Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/9/2018 at 9:16 PM, Coney Island Av said: 3376-3377, 3396-3397, 3406-3407, 3426-3427, 3442-3443: ENY to 207 St 3430-3431, 3500-3501, 3550-3551, 3628-3669, 3900-3901: Also to 207 St Remaining R32s on the : 3578-3579, 3650-3767, 3670-3671, 3698-3699, 3716-3717, 3736-3737, 3770-3775, 3778-3779, 3780-3781, 3870-3871, 3886-3887, 3912-3913, 3938-3939 (34 cars total, four sets) 3430 3431 is at East New York! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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