The Official Bee-Line Thread

[Transit Enthusiast]

#700 and #704 are retired.

Just 18 Orion Vs left.

[Lawrence St]

3 hours ago, Transit Enthusiast said:

#700 and #704 are retired.

Just 18 Orion Vs left.

Source?

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

On 10/9/2022 at 7:10 PM, Transit Enthusiast said:

#602 is retired. It's at Zerega.

602 ran earlier today.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

On 10/9/2022 at 11:46 AM, Lawrence St said:

601-605, 621, 626, 630, 656, 686, 610, 628, 692, 653, 693, 678, 696, 700-702, 704.

You are missing a few units on your list: 610, 628-629, 689.

626 has been oos since August. 701 and 704 have been oos since last month.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

459 is now active.

As for active Orions: 601-605, 610, 621, 628-630, 656, 678, 686, 689, 692-693 are still in service.

Edited October 11, 2022 by Kingsbridgeviewer382

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

455 is now active. There are 85 active 40 ft hybrids.

[Transit Enthusiast]

13 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

455 is now active. There are 85 active 40 ft hybrids.

For every XDE40 that enters service, an Orion V is retiring. They're not making it to 2023.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

441 is now active.

[Transit Enthusiast]

5 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

441 is now active.

Make that 86 XDE40s in service now.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

419, 467 are now active.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

448 is now active.

[Transit Enthusiast]

#202 is retired

[Transit Enthusiast]

On 10/13/2022 at 6:54 PM, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

419, 467 are now active.

17 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

448 is now active.

 

89 XDE40s now in service.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

10 hours ago, Transit Enthusiast said:

#202 is retired

It ran two days ago. Where did you see it because if it was near Zerega, that doesn't mean the bus is on the chopping block.

[Transit Enthusiast]

3 hours ago, Kingsbridgeviewer382 said:

It ran two days ago. Where did you see it because if it was near Zerega, that doesn't mean the bus is on the chopping block.

https://imgur.com/a/zI50K92

[Lawrence St]

23 hours ago, Transit Enthusiast said:

#202 is retired

I’m still waiting to see this proof that 602 is retired at ZEREGA.

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

I’m still waiting to see this proof that 602 is retired at ZEREGA.

Its not. Its been in service after he posted 602’s supposed retirement.

[Lawrence St]

I had some ideas for the current network, let me know what you all think:

BxM4C:

Discontinue service north of Fort Hill Road due to low ridership.

Discontinue the stop at Tuckahoe Rd and use the underpass.

Discontinue the stop at 5th Av/23rd St and relocate the stop to 23rd St/Madison Ave or end service at 5th Ave/27th St.

1C:

Discontinue service along Bradhurst Ave due to low ridership.

8:

Extend service into Eastchester Square.

12:

Extend the route back to Mt. Kisco, arriving in connection with the 19, but don't restore any stops along Armonk Rd (except for ones in Mt Kisco and Armonk).

Discontinue service in SUNY & Manhattanville and relocate bus stops outside the campus.

14:

Discontinue service via Elmsford Square, instead rerouting service via Hillside Ave.

40/41:

Discontinue service along Hillside Ave, instead rerouting service via Elmsford Square (via Route 14). 

Route 41 service continues via Hillside Ave.

Discontinue service to Ruth Taylor, instead buses will end in the Oval Loop.

45:

Discontinue the Downtown Loop in New Rochelle. Instead, buses will operate across North Ave to reach Franklin Ave

60:

Trips ending in New Rochelle will instead operate via the 61 into the Intermodal Center.

[40MntVrn]

I'm curious of the general opinion regarding the BxM4C. In recent years, I've always though there is immense opportunity with this route if sufficient changes were made to sync with ridership patterns.

Is the frequency of the route the main deterrent? If the route had branches along other popular corridors, thus providing a 1 seat ride, could that in theory make the route more appealing?

[Lex]

3 hours ago, 40MntVrn said:

I'm curious of the general opinion regarding the BxM4C. In recent years, I've always though there is immense opportunity with this route if sufficient changes were made to sync with ridership patterns.

Is the frequency of the route the main deterrent? If the route had branches along other popular corridors, thus providing a 1 seat ride, could that in theory make the route more appealing?

I'd honestly consider the fare (which is entirely separate from anything else) and stubbing outside of Downtown White Plains to be far more damning than the frequency or lack of branches.

[B35 via Church]

15 hours ago, 40MntVrn said:

I'm curious of the general opinion regarding the BxM4C. In recent years, I've always though there is immense opportunity with this route if sufficient changes were made to sync with ridership patterns.

Is the frequency of the route the main deterrent? If the route had branches along other popular corridors, thus providing a 1 seat ride, could that in theory make the route more appealing?

The span is the main deterrent, the fare is the icing on the cake.... I don't see branches making much of a difference in increasing the route's popularity.

Edited October 18, 2022 by B35 via Church

[Kingsbridgeviewer382]

456 is now active.

[Lawrence St]

23 hours ago, 40MntVrn said:

I'm curious of the general opinion regarding the BxM4C. In recent years, I've always though there is immense opportunity with this route if sufficient changes were made to sync with ridership patterns.

Is the frequency of the route the main deterrent? If the route had branches along other popular corridors, thus providing a 1 seat ride, could that in theory make the route more appealing?

First, they need to fix the fare on the 4C. There is no reason an express bus, which is a franchise of the BxM4, should be charging a HIGHER fare then regular express buses, and with no transfers at that. 
 

Second, they need to focus the 4C on where the ridership is the most, which is between McClean Ave & Fort Hill Road. All that wasted mileage between Fort Hill Road & Route 119 is unnecessary.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

1 minute ago, Lawrence St said:

First, they need to fix the fare on the 4C. There is no reason an express bus, which is a franchise of the BxM4, should be charging a HIGHER fare then regular express buses, and with no transfers at that. 
 

Second, they need to focus the 4C on where the ridership is the most, which is between McClean Ave & Fort Hill Road. All that wasted mileage between Fort Hill Road & Route 119 is unnecessary.

The BxM4C has NOTHING to do with the BxM4.  The BxM4C is run under Bee-Line and funded differently than the BxM4, run under Bus.

[Lawrence St]

Just now, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

The BxM4C has NOTHING to do with the BxM4.  The BxM4C is run under Bee-Line and funded differently than the BxM4, run under Bus.

Actually the BxM4C was created from the franchise agreement WITH the BxM4 from when Liberty Lines ran it. Hence why there was a BxM4A, BxM4B, BxM4C and BxM4D. When MTA took over, the 4C wasn’t included because it wasn’t out of Liberty Lines Express, which then became funded differently.