CenSin Posted September 8, 2023 Share #176 Posted September 8, 2023 14 hours ago, Robert Spire said: Capacity that didn't exist before December 16, 2001 and capacity which was formerly used by the before. I mean… the Queens Boulevard trunk didn’t exist in 1900. Therefore, we should restore it to its former state by filling in the tunnel with dirt and removing the station facilities. How far back do you want to go? If you want past status as a justification for future changes, it gets ridiculous very fast. On a tangent, but: It’s kind of like the Russian justification for trying to take Ukraine. If they wanted to look a little further back in history, it was Ukraine that ruled over current Russian territories. Maybe Putin should surrender Russia to Ukraine if he is so enamored with restoring things to their “rightful state.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted September 8, 2023 Share #177 Posted September 8, 2023 (edited) - Edited September 8, 2023 by CenSin Doubled posting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted September 8, 2023 Author Share #178 Posted September 8, 2023 18 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Oh it’s bad over here. Like subway level fare beating bad. And it’s ‘s problem for not wanting to fix it. Rule 10 prevents me from saying what i want to say... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M5viaRiverside Posted October 2, 2023 Share #179 Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) Why not bring back the ? I could see it being feasible provided you scale back the and (via 53rd St) to 5 minute frequencies each. You would have to take off some express trains to make room for the locals (the would have to run no more than every 9-10 minutes) but ultimately, this would be more of a redistribution of service than anything else. Any thoughts? Edited October 2, 2023 by M5viaRiverside 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted October 2, 2023 Share #180 Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, M5viaRiverside said: Why not bring back the ? I could see it being feasible provided you scale back the and (via 53rd St) to 5 minute frequencies each. You would have to take off some express trains to make room for the locals (the would have to run no more than every 9-10 minutes) but ultimately, this would be more of a redistribution of service than anything else. Any thoughts? No room on 6th ave for another local, especially not one that has to hold at lafayette as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share #181 Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, M5viaRiverside said: Why not bring back the ? I could see it being feasible provided you scale back the and (via 53rd St) to 5 minute frequencies each. You would have to take off some express trains to make room for the locals (the would have to run no more than every 9-10 minutes) but ultimately, this would be more of a redistribution of service than anything else. Any thoughts? Not a good idea.... Also they go local for about two hours in both directions anyway during the day to accommodate work train moves and they go local earlier at night.. They are running extra service just for what you just said anyway. Edited October 2, 2023 by RTOMan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted October 2, 2023 Share #182 Posted October 2, 2023 Any chance that they swap the and long term as a result of this if they find the service pattern to work better? It would be great to not deal with the 36th St merge anymore. You can run the to Forest Hills over the weekend and the via 63rd overnight. If you don't want to run 2 locals on QBL over the weekend you can swap the and in Queens and maybe get the to share equipment with the kind of like the whole / situation. You'd also have one less conflict impacting service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted October 2, 2023 Share #183 Posted October 2, 2023 A reduced frequency of the during this outage is pointless - at that point, they would have ran the to 71 Av on a 12-15 minute headway, and had alternating trains from Metropolitan Av terminate at 57 St. Then during middays and evenings, the would only serve stations from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then terminate at 57 St, every 10 minutes. This way, the rush hour frequency of the between Manhattan and Brooklyn would have remained the same as it was before the closure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted October 2, 2023 Share #184 Posted October 2, 2023 13 hours ago, M5viaRiverside said: Why not bring back the ? I could see it being feasible provided you scale back the and (via 53rd St) to 5 minute frequencies each. You would have to take off some express trains to make room for the locals (the would have to run no more than every 9-10 minutes) but ultimately, this would be more of a redistribution of service than anything else. Any thoughts? And you would run them where exactly outside of heading into Queens? That's like having the running along QBL with the which isn't doing either lines along with the any favors. If, and that's a big if, you were to do this, I would have it running into Brooklyn to Church Av normal service and Kings Highway for rush hour to help with the lack of service that it's going to be dealing with. Even the, who knows how well that would've worked out because there's still the decrease in service overall across those lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulturious Posted October 2, 2023 Share #185 Posted October 2, 2023 28 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: Any chance that they swap the and long term as a result of this if they find the service pattern to work better? It would be great to not deal with the 36th St merge anymore. You can run the to Forest Hills over the weekend and the via 63rd overnight. If you don't want to run 2 locals on QBL over the weekend you can swap the and in Queens and maybe get the to share equipment with the kind of like the whole / situation. You'd also have one less conflict impacting service. If the and were to swap, it would be just similar to what the did prior to the 63 St connection to QBL that being trains running along 63 St whenever the isn't along 6th Av. It would still 100% stay express either way when doing so, unfair for 63 St riders seeing as they get shafted to local trains from 63 St while express during weekends. Definitely be confusing at first, but people will adapt and get used to it in like 2 weeks or so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share #186 Posted October 2, 2023 51 minutes ago, slantfan4281 said: Any chance that they swap the and long term as a result of this if they find the service pattern to work better? It would be great to not deal with the 36th St merge anymore. You can run the to Forest Hills over the weekend and the via 63rd overnight. If you don't want to run 2 locals on QBL over the weekend you can swap the and in Queens and maybe get the to share equipment with the kind of like the whole / situation. You'd also have one less conflict impacting service. Then when the stops running in Manhattan making the go up 63rd street is isn't cost effective TA wise. They changed the entire work program due to this Shutdown, which costs TA money. It does make sense less switch movement at the Plaza though. That's why it wont happen lol... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted October 2, 2023 Share #187 Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Vulturious said: If the and were to swap, it would be just similar to what the did prior to the 63 St connection to QBL that being trains running along 63 St whenever the isn't along 6th Av. It would still 100% stay express either way when doing so, unfair for 63 St riders seeing as they get shafted to local trains from 63 St while express during weekends. Definitely be confusing at first, but people will adapt and get used to it in like 2 weeks or so. I would just run the over the weekend, so the only time the would run on 63rd would be overnight. I get that if you work near say, Lex-63rd, and live near 71st Av, it obviously wouldn't be ideal, but in that case you could take either the or to Queens Plaza and then transfer to the under my plan (or the if you leave Broadway alone). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slantfan4281 Posted October 2, 2023 Share #188 Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, RTOMan said: Then when the stops running in Manhattan making the go up 63rd street is isn't cost effective TA wise. They changed the entire work program due to this Shutdown, which costs TA money. It does make sense less switch movement at the Plaza though. That's why it wont happen lol... I get the MTA would be wary of paying extra to run the all the way to 71st over the weekend, but if you were to simultaneously swap the and in Queens, you could reduce runtimes and the amount of equipment needed, as well as improve reliability. The would remain a weekday only service, with the being the primary QBL local line 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 3, 2023 Author Share #189 Posted October 3, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, slantfan4281 said: I get the MTA would be wary of paying extra to run the all the way to 71st over the weekend, but if you were to simultaneously swap the and in Queens, you could reduce runtimes and the amount of equipment needed, as well as improve reliability. The would remain a weekday only service, with the being the primary QBL local line Two different districts the and the in… That requires changing the work program since the is a weekday only line. Edited October 3, 2023 by RTOMan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M5viaRiverside Posted October 5, 2023 Share #190 Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) On 10/2/2023 at 9:40 AM, darkstar8983 said: A reduced frequency of the during this outage is pointless - at that point, they would have ran the to 71 Av on a 12-15 minute headway, and had alternating trains from Metropolitan Av terminate at 57 St. Then during middays and evenings, the would only serve stations from Metropolitan Av to 47-50 Sts, then terminate at 57 St, every 10 minutes. This way, the rush hour frequency of the between Manhattan and Brooklyn would have remained the same as it was before the closure. For a six month closure, it's probably more trouble than its worth to bring the back, but it is an interesting case study. Especially for future outages... Has alternate trains to Forest Hills been seriously considerded at length? This seems like the no-brainer deal here. The is prone to screw ups, especially when solo on QBL, as we all know... On 10/2/2023 at 9:54 AM, Vulturious said: And you would run them where exactly outside of heading into Queens? That's like having the running along QBL with the which isn't doing either lines along with the any favors. If, and that's a big if, you were to do this, I would have it running into Brooklyn to Church Av normal service and Kings Highway for rush hour to help with the lack of service that it's going to be dealing with. Even the, who knows how well that would've worked out because there's still the decrease in service overall across those lines. If you bring back the , it'd be shortsighted NOT to run it to Brooklyn (Church/18th Av/Kings Hwy). If you scheduled the and properly, you could probably squeeze some more trains as well... Edited October 5, 2023 by M5viaRiverside 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 5, 2023 Share #191 Posted October 5, 2023 6 minutes ago, M5viaRiverside said: For a six month closure, it's probably more trouble than its worth to bring the back, but it is an interesting case study. Especially for future outages... Has alternate trains to Forest Hills been seriously considerded at length? This seems like the no-brainer deal here. The is prone to screw ups, especially when solo on QBL, as we all know... If you bring back the , it'd be shortsighted NOT to run it to Brooklyn (Church/18th Av/Kings Hwy). If you scheduled the and properly, you could probably squeeze some more trains as well... …then wouldn’t the be a short turn ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted October 5, 2023 Share #192 Posted October 5, 2023 29 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: …then wouldn’t the be a short turn ? would be local in Queens, is (usually) express in Queens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share #193 Posted October 5, 2023 11 hours ago, GreatOne2k said: would be local in Queens, is (usually) express in Queens. With this GO trains are local in Queens earlier. They extra trains that are left are used for extra service.. When they have the Crews for them because some folks just dont want to come to work or are restricted terminated or quit.. Pick any one... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 6, 2023 Share #194 Posted October 6, 2023 Is it true the only reason this project is taking longer then it needs to is because Roosevelt Island politicians didn’t want to have no train service on the island? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted October 6, 2023 Share #195 Posted October 6, 2023 25 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: Is it true the only reason this project is taking longer then it needs to is because Roosevelt Island politicians didn’t want to have no train service on the island? I would moreso say the people who live on the island had a bigger say in regards to that 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted October 6, 2023 Share #196 Posted October 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Comrade96 said: I would moreso say the people who live on the island had a bigger say in regards to that So, they are screwing over other passengers who want service to return ASAP, because they can't be bothered to board a shuttle bus? In what universe does that make any sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade96 Posted October 6, 2023 Share #197 Posted October 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So, they are screwing over other passengers who want service to return ASAP, because they can't be bothered to board a shuttle bus? In what universe does that make any sense. I dunno man. im not 100% certain that that is the case either 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyclonicTrainLookout Posted October 6, 2023 Share #198 Posted October 6, 2023 56 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: So, they are screwing over other passengers who want service to return ASAP, because they can't be bothered to board a shuttle bus? In what universe does that make any sense. To be fair, the are only two ways to access Manhattan from Roosevelt Island, and neither is by road. I guess the MTA would rather prolong the 63rd Street construction just to give the island people direct access to Manhattan and the subway there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted October 8, 2023 Share #199 Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 9:48 PM, M5viaRiverside said: If you scheduled the and properly, you could probably squeeze some more trains as well... A lotta things look good on paper. As for the execution… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted October 8, 2023 Author Share #200 Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 9:48 PM, M5viaRiverside said: If you bring back the , it'd be shortsighted NOT to run it to Brooklyn (Church/18th Av/Kings Hwy). If you scheduled the and properly, you could probably squeeze some more trains as well... No not happening gotta change the work program for that and since we are Picking for the Fall starting Monday.... Just not happening... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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