Around the Horn Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2526 Posted August 11, 2016 According to an instagrammer, that's car 3019 in the photo Sent from my iPod touch using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2527 Posted August 11, 2016 I was referencing this post, FWIW: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/24651-r179-discussion-thread/?p=885003 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2528 Posted August 11, 2016 According to an instagrammer, that's car 3019 in the photo Sent from my iPod touch using NYC Transit Forums mobile app link? How would they know? That number does make sense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2529 Posted August 11, 2016 link? How would they know? That number does make sense. Never Mind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2530 Posted August 11, 2016 So if this is the prototype set, they're skipping 3001-3010? Because if this is a prototype set, the first car number would start at 3015 or 3014, depending on its a 5 car set or 4 car set. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2531 Posted August 11, 2016 No. It could just be the second prototype set. If the numbers start at 3000, you get 3000-3009 and 3010-3019. Sent from my iPod touch using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2532 Posted August 11, 2016 But the first prototype was rejected isn't it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesman8 Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2533 Posted August 11, 2016 I was referencing this post, FWIW: http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/topic/24651-r179-discussion-thread/?p=885003 That was the confirmed design before it was delivered and rejected, so at the time of the post, it was correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbrome Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2534 Posted August 11, 2016 That's so weird. They saw both, choose one, then changed their minds? I mean was it really rejected based on looks, after they chose it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metro CSW Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2535 Posted August 11, 2016 Or: 3000-3003, 3004-3007, 3008-3011, 3012-3015, 3016-3019, etc. Sent from my SM-G920P using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2536 Posted August 11, 2016 Is that first prototype suppose to be a 4 car set or 5 car set? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2537 Posted August 11, 2016 Is that first prototype suppose to be a 4 car set or 5 car set?I would assume a 4-car set since most of the fleet will be in that configuration. Sent from my N9132 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2538 Posted August 11, 2016 Really? I thought they were doing the 5 car set first since that was the original intended target for testing on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2539 Posted August 11, 2016 Yeah ENY said the prototypes were the 5 car sets. Sent from my iPod touch using NYC Transit Forums mobile app 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted August 11, 2016 Share #2540 Posted August 11, 2016 Really? I thought they were doing the 5 car set first since that was the original intended target for testing on the .Not really. I did note that it was an assumption on my part. It could be wrong. On the other hand, I just counted on my fingers. (Bad at math when it's not my money) For an A car to be 3019, it would need to be a five car set. Sent from my N9132 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted August 12, 2016 Share #2541 Posted August 12, 2016 I wonder if they're skipping the former R110B numbers. Which would be silly since they're totally out of commission, but I had gotten the impression I had gotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted August 12, 2016 Share #2542 Posted August 12, 2016 Anybody know when they'll be on the tracks ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 12, 2016 Share #2543 Posted August 12, 2016 Anybody know when they'll be on the tracks ?No one knows at this point 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2544 Posted August 14, 2016 Really? I thought they were doing the 5 car set first since that was the original intended target for testing on the . Moral of this story: Things change. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2545 Posted August 14, 2016 The latest the R179's arriving here will be before school starts. If it dosent, chances are the MTA IS going to cancel the 179 order and increase the 211 order, unless they wanna give bombardier another...what is it now? 16th chance? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNewYorkElevated Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2546 Posted August 14, 2016 The latest the R179's arriving here will be before school starts. If it dosent, chances are the MTA IS going to cancel the 179 order and increase the 211 order, unless they wanna give bombardier another...what is it now? 16th chance? If that's the case, then let's hope it will actually be here by the end of this month or early next month. Getting tired of these delays. I like the 32's, but recently I have concerns about them, especially the 42's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subwayboy Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2547 Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) The latest the R179's arriving here will be before school starts. If it dosent, chances are the MTA IS going to cancel the 179 order and increase the 211 order, unless they wanna give bombardier another...what is it now? 16th chance? Has anybody actually SEEN the contract between Bombardier and the MTA? I bet the MTA only has a remedy in damages for late delivery, not the right to cancel unilaterally. Edited August 14, 2016 by subwayboy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2548 Posted August 14, 2016 This is starting to sound like the Nippon-Sharyu bi-level car order with Illinois and California. They may never come. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2549 Posted August 14, 2016 At this point the MTA will be able to get enough in damages to pay for the R211s... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted August 14, 2016 Share #2550 Posted August 14, 2016 The original R-179 order (2012) was for 240 4-car sets and 60 5-car sets: 3010-3249 (4's) 3250-3309 (5's). Some observations: If pilot is a 10-car train, the numbers may have been reversed in accordance with anticipated production: 3010-3069 (5's) and 3070-3309 (4's). The live test train in the canned video from March was a 4-car set and I can't see enough of the side view if its the same one. Note the R-179 "B" end next to the end view of "3019" (paper label). BOM simply "snaps together" 4 or 5 sets as needed for any particular test or inspection with very little difficulty. Fleet numbers are relative during production. The cars are generic and usually handled by production (i.e. "serial") number until output is finalized for the contractor (NYCT). The MTA is constantly reviewing the order's quality, construction and content as they always have. It's possible (probable?) that the 60 & 240 formula could be modified substantially by the time deliveries occur. This would involve cost analysis and result in change orders but the cars themselves are designed to be modular in a relative sense. It's a simple matter of how many "A" cars vs "B" cars to produce. Presumably the "B" cars are cheaper than the "A's," (not important) but it seems clear that the NYCT of 2016 needs additional 10-car trains (and more than 6) rather urgently for the November service expansion than it needs (the eventual) 8-car trains for C and J/Z to replace the R-32's and R-42's as planned for the NYCT of 2012 and now aren't being retired anytime soon to enable even more service preservation and expansion. That's a matter for MTA and more specifically Dept. of Subways to decide, and SOON. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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