overclocked Posted January 11, 2013 Share #2126 Posted January 11, 2013 (edited) While doing research for a project of mine, something occured to me - why was the IRT built to narrower dimensions than the BMT/IND? Who the hell thought that was a good idea? If memory serves me right It was done to avoid acquisition by PRR *edit Although this factor could be at play, the main reason IRT was build that way is that it was standard of the time. In later iterations design was improved which was used in construction of BRT/BMT/IND lines Edited January 12, 2013 by overclocked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2127 Posted January 12, 2013 Found a copy of the map from 1988 sitting around, making for an interesting read. Completely forgot that the CC ran up the Grand Concourse, surprising stuff. Have no idea where the M12, M13, or M17 went either. Think the M19 turned into the M79, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2128 Posted January 12, 2013 M17= M79; M18= M86; M19= M96 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Up Front Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2129 Posted January 12, 2013 I took a out of Atlantic Terminal/Flatbush on a whim and tried looking out for the Masstransiscope... I kept looking out of the windows and missed it. When I came back on a , the train passed by the entire thing at about 10 MPH. It was cool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2130 Posted January 12, 2013 If memory serves me right It was done to avoid acquisition by PRR*edit Although this factor could be at play, the main reason IRT was build that way is that it was standard of the time. In later iterations design was improved which was used in construction of BRT/BMT/IND lines Thanks! While we're on the topic of A vs B division, what is the crush load capacity of the average train on either division? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overclocked Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2131 Posted January 12, 2013 Thanks! While we're on the topic of A vs B division, what is the crush load capacity of the average train on either division? IND 60' 250 customers, seating 50 IRT 51' 200 customers, seating 44 75' are 70 seating, excluding 46 B car which seats 76, there are no documented numbers on max capacity. Because of seating arrangements, 46s and 68s have smaller max capacity if lets say they were equipped with longitudinal seating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2132 Posted January 12, 2013 The buzzing and the HVAC loud sounds of the R32s are my favorite. I wonder why they're always (or mostly) quiet on the but when they're on the , the HVAC system is louder many times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2133 Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) Thanks! While we're on the topic of A vs B division, what is the crush load capacity of the average train on either division? Hard to say how many riders uses each lines, but as for capacity: A division (sans 7) = (51' x 8.5') x10 = 4335' sq. 7 line = (51' x 8.5') x 11 = 4768.5' sq. B division (sans J/M/L/Z) = (60' x 10') x 10 = 6000' sq and (75' x 10') x 8 = 6000' sq. J/L/M = (60' x 10') x 8 = 4800' sq. So you could basically fit about the same amount of riders on an 11 car 7 train as you can on an 8 car L train. Edited January 12, 2013 by Grand Concourse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2134 Posted January 12, 2013 IND 60' 250 customers, seating 50IRT 51' 200 customers, seating 44 75' are 70 seating, excluding 46 B car which seats 76, there are no documented numbers on max capacity. Because of seating arrangements, 46s and 68s have smaller max capacity if lets say they were equipped with longitudinal seating. Hard to say how many riders uses each lines, but as for capacity:A division (sans 7) = (51' x 8.5') x10 = 4335' sq. 7 line = (51' x 8.5') x 11 = 4768.5' sq. B division (sans J/M/L/Z) = (60' x 10') x 10 = 6000' sq and (75' x 10') x 8 = 6000' sq. J/L/M = (60' x 10') x 8 = 4800' sq. So you could basically fit about the same amount of riders on an 11 car 7 train as you can on an 8 car L train. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MTA Bus Posted January 12, 2013 Share #2135 Posted January 12, 2013 Apparently, there are now countdown clocks at Smith/9th Sts and 4th Av/9th St stations. They are uncovered and off at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2136 Posted January 16, 2013 (edited) Just saw a movie called 'Safe' and I just love how the scenes interchange from an R62A to an R68. The scene starts off at 'Dekalb' which looks like the Canal station. The R62A had rollsigns for a 6th av line (I think the ) and the only time you see the R68 is when the character is climbing on the roof of the car going over the Manhattan bridge. Fight scenes took place mainly in the R62a and finally the scene ends at Canal and the street shows East Broadway on the . Also you can tell the number of the R62A kept changing from 2xxx to 19xx. Ah, Hollywood... Edited January 16, 2013 by Grand Concourse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2137 Posted January 16, 2013 Since I've been riding the to school, I always see some passengers that board my train at Van Siclen/Shepherd go from the S/B platform to the N/B platform at Euclid Avenue just to get on a Manhattan Express......My question is if they're going to Manhattan, why didn't they just took the Manhattan straight until they see an at either Broadway Junction or Utica Avenue....? Laugh out loud.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PATCOman Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2138 Posted January 16, 2013 I had someone on my C train get on at Shepherd then got off at Euclid. Later on, I see him on the N/B platform waiting for an A smh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2139 Posted January 16, 2013 I love what Snowblock said. SHE HEARS HIM SAY THE WILL GET THERE FIRST... but people have this mentality that express = faster. While it SHOULD, it really doesn't... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2140 Posted January 16, 2013 .My question is if they're going to Manhattan, why didn't they just took the Manhattan straight until they see an at either Broadway Junction or Utica Avenue....? Laugh out loud.... Perhaps because Pitkin Ave is a ghetto area and they don't want to cross the street? I love what Snowblock said. SHE HEARS HIM SAY THE WILL GET THERE FIRST... but people have this mentality that express = faster. While it SHOULD, it really doesn't... If you're referring to what happened at W4 last night, my only makes ONE additional stop from there to 42 St.....on my first trip on Tuesdays, I usually get the starting lights at 168 when the next is at 175. We usually make a connection at 145, and then I usually BEAT that to 125, and it will overtake me again around 96 St. So word to the wise - if you're coming from Inwood and need the for CPW, transfer at 145 - don't wait until 125! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2141 Posted January 16, 2013 RANDOM THOUGHT: I wonder how the linkage of the R62As into 5-car sets will go with car 1909 is out of the picture. Unless if they have 1906-1908 and 1910 as part of the 42 St Shuttle fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2142 Posted January 16, 2013 Well until they renovate the TS end of the shuttle to hold 5 car trains, you will still need single sets. But if they ever do make the s accommodate 5 car trains, I guess they could relegate the 4 singles as spares or for garbage/work car duties since the r127/134s don't have ac and they used to use r32s to tow the train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2143 Posted January 16, 2013 Makes sense. While we're on the topic of using R62As for garbage train duties I am still shocked that they use revenue passenger cars to haul around such smelly-a** trains. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 16, 2013 Share #2144 Posted January 16, 2013 Well, workers needs ac in the summer time. Why those work 'engines'/cars came without climate control seems like a poor move. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2145 Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) @Snowblock Err, Van Siclen and Shepherd Avenues have crossovers so riders are free to transfer between Euclid Avenue and Manhattan trains. I meant that riders could have walk to the other platform for Manhattan instead of going to Euclid for the Manhattan Express.... Edited January 17, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDTA Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2146 Posted January 17, 2013 @Snowblock Err, Van Siclen and Shepherd Avenues have crossovers so riders are free to transfer between Euclid Avenue and Manhattan trains. I meant that riders could have walk to the other platform for Manhattan instead of going to Euclid for the Manhattan Express.... He was making a joke... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subwayfan12 Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2147 Posted January 17, 2013 Can anyone tell why the and is called the West End/Sea Beach Express rather than the 4th avenue express. I mean doesn't the and run local on their respective lines in Brooklyn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2148 Posted January 17, 2013 Because the uses the West End and the uses the Sea Beach. It saves a line of text to combine their branches with express or local. In this case exp/lcl refers to what they do on 4th Ave. I guess it isn't that obvious to everyone..... Pro tip: if a N/B train is running on the local track north of 36 St, it will ALWAYS stop at Dekalb, even if it's running express on the local. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTimer Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2149 Posted January 17, 2013 Because the uses the West End and the uses the Sea Beach. It saves a line of text to combine their branches with express or local. In this case exp/lcl refers to what they do on 4th Ave. I guess it isn't that obvious to everyone..... Pro tip: if a N/B train is running on the local track north of 36 St, it will ALWAYS stop at Dekalb, even if it's running express on the local. Addendum: If a train runs through the bypass going south, it will be express on 4Av at least to 36st (except some baseball specials). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 17, 2013 Share #2150 Posted January 17, 2013 Addendum: If a train runs through the bypass going south, it will be express on 4Av at least to 36st (except some baseball specials). How could the baseball specials run local? I don't think there's a crossover from the bypass to the local. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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