Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11101 Posted February 10, 2014 There's 2 types of artics on the road (not just here, worldwide)... Pusher-type artics In a pusher type, the engine is in the back of the trailing unit and all the power goes to those wheels. Think of laying a string or chain straight out then pushing from the back of it. That's basically what happens, all of our artics are pusher types, and that's the main ones you'll find in the US. Puller type artics Puller types have the engine in the front section under the floor and the power goes directly to the center axles. Excellent in bad weather since the trailer is pretty much dead weight being dragged along. Only downside with them is that they fishtail fairly easily compared to pusher type artics. Not a lot of companies make them anymore since everyone is into low floor buses now, bee-line had artics made by M.A.N before the Neoplans came in and they were puller type artics You make it sound like our artics would be more versatile, but apparently they aren't... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11102 Posted February 10, 2014 You make it sound like our artics would be more versatile, but apparently they aren't... He actually isn't. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11103 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) Ohh i know some puller type artics. In Europe, those triple vanhools have the engine in the first part. Those Vanhool AGG300s. Edited February 10, 2014 by XcelsiorBoii4888 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11104 Posted February 10, 2014 Anyone that had MANs, Ikarus, or Volvos artics, those buses were the ones that were pullers built in the US. The MANs sold the most out of the three. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11105 Posted February 10, 2014 Ohh i know some puller type artics. In Europe, those triple vanhools have the engine in the first part. Those Vanhool AGG300s. Haha, the MTA would beat them up worse than the Xcelsiors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11106 Posted February 10, 2014 Currently the M14D is a majority RTSes, and Manhattanville is covering the majority of runs on the M101/2/3. The M101 is almost entirely MHV NGs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11107 Posted February 10, 2014 For this little bit of snow... smh:unsure: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11108 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) For this little bit of snow... smh:unsure: You never know, just a while ago before the recent storm happened, they said it would be a little bit of snow...and we got dumped with a few good inches. Edited February 10, 2014 by Cait Sith 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11109 Posted February 10, 2014 Yes, yes we did... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11110 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) For this little bit of snow... smh:unsure: You never know, just a while ago before the recent storm happened, they said it would be a little bit of snow...and we got dumped with a few good inches. What I've learned and what I think is happening (according to what one of my professors has told me recently) is that meteorologists usually go back a decade of past weather data in making the long term forecasts, say when they post the 5 day weather outlook, amazing as this sounds. So inaccuracies in forecasting is what results. Which doesn't help the MTA in making the right call in adverse weather preparedness plans despite the up to the date info they receive from the national weather service which they depend on, in order to make correct decisions on how to prepare for snow in advance, ahead of time. The DSNY and NYDOT has similar problems for the same reasons as we have seen this year. (Speaking of which we now have a salt shortage because of the frequency and severity of the storms this year.) I guess this also further hampers efforts on the part of MTA Regional Bus Operations to make their network run in adverse conditions because the meteorologists are using a weather forecasting method leaving the door open for human error. I believe that may be a factor in why sometimes the MTA experiences problems in preparing for severe weather on time on the surface transit end and rapid transit end alike, which could be why they have no choice but to in many instances overcompensate in preparations as a result. Edited February 10, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11111 Posted February 10, 2014 He actually isn't. Here's what I'm confused by... If there's a majority of Pusher-type artics here, what's the drawback? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11112 Posted February 10, 2014 Here's what I'm confused by... If there's a majority of Pusher-type artics here, what's the drawback? They jackknife in bad weather since all the power is in the back section and the front 2 axles have no sort of traction. ...get a string and lay it flat on a table. Grab the back end of said string and push it forward and that basically shows what happens to a pusher type artic in bad weather 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted February 10, 2014 Share #11113 Posted February 10, 2014 (edited) They jackknife in bad weather since all the power is in the back section and the front 2 axles have no sort of traction. ...get a string and lay it flat on a table. Grab the back end of said string and push it forward and that basically shows what happens to a pusher type artic in bad weather Yep the back of the the artic just slams in ???? Edited February 10, 2014 by E For Erica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11114 Posted February 12, 2014 If driving a turd (bus) is the only way to get my foot into the then screw it call me DOB2RTO2.0, I better start studying for a cdl... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11115 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) They jackknife in bad weather since all the power is in the back section and the front 2 axles have no sort of traction. ...get a string and lay it flat on a table. Grab the back end of said string and push it forward and that basically shows what happens to a pusher type artic in bad weather An issue that probably won't be an issue in the next generation of hybrid and electric artics with low-floor middle and rear axles that have a motor for each individual wheel. ZF already have a product available for a while, and I'm rather disappointed the didn't go for those axles with a hybrid set-up for their new artic orders. I know the cost thing is there, but it also buys the luxury of not having to pull the artics when it snows. Random Note: Was on an UP RTS today and the transmission seemed to really be downshifting early and revving the engine a bit hard. Edited February 12, 2014 by Culver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11116 Posted February 12, 2014 An issue that probably won't be an issue in the next generation of hybrid and electric artics with low-floor middle and rear axles that have a motor for each individual wheel. ZF already have a product available for a while, and I'm rather disappointed the didn't go for those axles with a hybrid set-up for their new artic orders. I know the cost thing is there, but it also buys the luxury of not having to pull the artics when it snows. Random Note: Was on an UP RTS today and the transmission seemed to really be downshifting early and revving the engine a bit hard. I think the is done with the whole hybrid phase after finding out they aren't really as fuel efficient as they thought they were. As for the second part of your question, it's one of 2 things... If you was on one with the ZF transmission (I'm sure you know which ones they are), they naturally do that. If you was on an Allison one, then the driver was manually shifting the gears to get the most out of each gear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11117 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) 5114 is one that stays in gears for long. So an LFSA on the M14D and a truck got into an accident. 1 dead 4 injured Edited February 12, 2014 by XcelsiorBoii4888 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11118 Posted February 12, 2014 So an LFSA on the M14D and a truck got into an accident. 1 dead 4 injured the dead is the bus driver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTA Bus Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11119 Posted February 12, 2014 So an LFSA on the M14D and a truck got into an accident. 1 dead 4 injured By the looks of what happened at the scene, the bus must have been crossing 7th Avenue when the truck smashed into it, causing both to crash into the buliding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11120 Posted February 12, 2014 (edited) 5114 is one that stays in gears for long. So an LFSA on the M14D and a truck got into an accident. 1 dead 4 injured Are you serious? ???? Smfhhhh ???? The M14D is the first thing I see when I get off the or when I'm omw to the doctors. It's a good thing more people were JUST injured. Smh Edited February 12, 2014 by E For Erica 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeLow Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11121 Posted February 12, 2014 the dead is the bus driver Oh man. That's a shame. My condolences to the B/O's family and friends. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11122 Posted February 12, 2014 the dead is the bus driver So the front of the bus is smashed? If so I hope it's not out of service as long as that other 12XX LFSA was. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted February 12, 2014 Share #11123 Posted February 12, 2014 So the front of the bus is smashed? If so I hope it's not out of service as long as that other 12XX LFSA was. Who gives a shit? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted February 13, 2014 Share #11124 Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) Who gives a shit? I do and yeah I said how I feel sorry for the driver in the other thread so calm down. This is about buses only right so yeah I made my comment about the bus. Edited February 13, 2014 by College Pt Man 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted February 13, 2014 Share #11125 Posted February 13, 2014 (edited) So today was the first time I rode a bus with snow chains. I caught 4821, and when we pulled off, all you felt was that vibration that your phone makes. It was also going in a rythm. Then, I caught another bus with snow chains...on the S53...man...when we got on the bridge (note this bus is packed with people standing in the rear and such, and im all the way in the back) we hit 20mph...and this Orion VII was sooo loud...people starting staring at the ground and questioning what was going on, some other pple and I mentioned the snow chains, they were like "ohh for the storm tomorrow". This was the scariest ride I had on the bus because I heard reports of chains falling off buses. So the fact that this bus was vibrating...shaking...very loud..also the bus starting getting extra hot...so i said to myself "if I smell smoke im dipping right to the front" idc if I bump into people. Going 40mph (or possibly 35 since the B/O kept looking back) with snow chains is crazy. Edited February 13, 2014 by XcelsiorBoii4888 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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