Via Garibaldi 8 Posted February 16, 2017 Share #19801 Posted February 16, 2017 I noticed express buses don't have driver shields (that's outside of NYCT as well) No need for them. Express bus riders aren't going around assaulting drivers. The assaults are happening on the local buses. Express bus riders like myself opposed them because they are unneeded. There was a call at one point to have them on all buses, but to my knowledge, they will only be installed on the local buses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JubaionBx12+SBS Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19802 Posted February 17, 2017 I was waiting for an Eastbound Bx12 bus at Fordham Plaza this evening and noticed that on Webster Av two northbound Bx41 local buses pull in back to back. I'm thinking to myself that 12 minute headways (or maybe 10, given it's rush hour) is rather high for buses to be showing up back to back. About 30 seconds later I see two northbound Select Bx41 buses show up back to back. Now i'm thinking what the hell is this. Funniest part is that ALL of the buses in this caravan were carrying below a fully seated load. Isn't the Bx41 a high ridership route? Why were so many buses pulling into one of the busiest stops on the route empty? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19803 Posted February 17, 2017 I was waiting for an Eastbound Bx12 bus at Fordham Plaza this evening and noticed that on Webster Av two northbound Bx41 local buses pull in back to back. I'm thinking to myself that 12 minute headways (or maybe 10, given it's rush hour) is rather high for buses to be showing up back to back. About 30 seconds later I see two northbound Select Bx41 buses show up back to back. Now i'm thinking what the hell is this. Funniest part is that ALL of the buses in this caravan were carrying below a fully seated load. Isn't the Bx41 a high ridership route? Why were so many buses pulling into one of the busiest stops on the route empty? I rode the BX41 once and the bus got caught in a huge traffic jam around where passes under the Cross Bronx, delaying service in both directions, maybe something similar happened this evening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subwayfan12 Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19804 Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) So I was on the Q44 and I realized that there were some buses parked up in a lot across from West Farms Depot (on 177th). Is this a new thing? And another thing, these buses cause a lot of traffic trying to get into the depot. They literally occupy the entire turning lane for the Cross Bronx. Edited February 17, 2017 by LimitedCollegePt5AV 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19805 Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) What buses were in the lot? I'm pretty sure its just used for extra storage space. They used to store only the old D60hfs in there. I'm pretty sure the lot is owned by DOT, there's like a salt spreader truck stored in there too, at least I did see one. Edited February 17, 2017 by danielhg121 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19806 Posted February 17, 2017 I was waiting for an Eastbound Bx12 bus at Fordham Plaza this evening and noticed that on Webster Av two northbound Bx41 local buses pull in back to back. I'm thinking to myself that 12 minute headways (or maybe 10, given it's rush hour) is rather high for buses to be showing up back to back. About 30 seconds later I see two northbound Select Bx41 buses show up back to back. Now i'm thinking what the hell is this. Funniest part is that ALL of the buses in this caravan were carrying below a fully seated load. Isn't the Bx41 a high ridership route? Why were so many buses pulling into one of the busiest stops on the route empty? Well, the bunching isn't too surprising. Both are scheduled independently of each other. The local runs on 10 minute headways, but it's about 35-40 minutes into the route, so I can see how that could reasonably happen. The SBS is quicker and makes less stops, but it's also more frequent, so that's also somewhat understandable. But yeah, I'd say 10-12 minutes is the upper limit of when bunching is somewhat acceptable (and it should be a decent amount of the way into the route. If buses are bunched leaving the terminal, that's a different story). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subwayfan12 Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19807 Posted February 17, 2017 What buses were in the lot? I'm pretty sure its just used for extra storage space. They used to store only the old D60hfs in there. I'm pretty sure the lot is owned by DOT, there's like a salt spreader truck stored in there too, at least I did see one. All I could see were Orions and it was a lot of them too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted February 17, 2017 Share #19808 Posted February 17, 2017 Which units are those? Are they unwrapped? 4245, 4248, 4250-4252, 4256, 4262, 4269, 4271, 4276 & 4278. They're still wrapped for now.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19809 Posted February 18, 2017 I think its so crowds don't form at the machines. Still a stupid idea...Yes, because the crowds will still form inside the bus. !???? ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19810 Posted February 18, 2017 Yes, because the crowds will still form inside the bus. ![emoji30] [emoji590] Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow [emoji611] THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer [emoji389] Not really. The buses are designed to handle large crowds. This is nothing for them. The issue here (and the stupid part) is that a route design to ferry large numbers of people from the airport to the subway has fare machine arrays that can't handle large numbers of people buying tickets (which is stupid in and of itself). I can't wait until we've eradicated the MetroCard and replaced it with a smartcard system. Then we can have real POP and all door boarding on every bus route... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19811 Posted February 18, 2017 Not really. The buses are designed to handle large crowds. This is nothing for them. The issue here (and the stupid part) is that a route design to ferry large numbers of people from the airport to the subway has fare machine arrays that can't handle large numbers of people buying tickets (which is stupid in and of itself). I can't wait until we've eradicated the MetroCard and replaced it with a smartcard system. Then we can have real POP and all door boarding on every bus route... Not crowding by freeloaders. Lately, I've been passing up buses with broken fare boxes. I don't care how bad it is outside. At least I can breathe. People will pile drive a bus with no farebox in inclement weather. No bus is designed to handle crowding. It's unlawful, actually. Buses, like eateries and auditoriums, have an allowed amount before it becomes a safety concern. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19812 Posted February 18, 2017 Not crowding by freeloaders. Lately, I've been passing up buses with broken fare boxes. I don't care how bad it is outside. At least I can breathe. People will pile drive a bus with no farebox in inclement weather. No bus is designed to handle crowding. It's unlawful, actually. Buses, like eateries and auditoriums, have an allowed amount before it becomes a safety concern. Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? And yes buses are designed to handle crowds. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous... Of course there are loading guidelines but they are designed to handle a certain number of standees. I think your definition of crowds may be different from mine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19813 Posted February 18, 2017 How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? And yes buses are designed to handle crowds. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous... Of course there are loading guidelines but they are designed to handle a certain number of standees. I think your definition of crowds may be different from mine. I think he's from the 'burbs, where 90 minute headways and 7 people per bus are pretty much the norm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19814 Posted February 18, 2017 I think he's from the 'burbs, where 90 minute headways and 7 people per bus are pretty much the norm.Our 'burb buses can seat 59 and stand 19, given that NYCT buses are smaller in headway. I'm quite tolerant despite being an upstater, but some riders push their luck. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? They usually cover it with a flimsy Xfer slip. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? And yes buses are designed to handle crowds. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous... Of course there are loading guidelines. Those guidelines are often disregarded. The crowds are unnatural even for the jaded. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaBlueJayy Posted February 18, 2017 Share #19815 Posted February 18, 2017 Here's my take on those 4900s from JA & ENY, ENY has been getting shoved down their throats with 4900s lately so, Check this out. I personally think they should transfer at least some of those 4900s from JA or ENY to Manhattan, to depots like MHV & or MJQ as an exchange for some OGs or NGs here's why. I've asked a lot of the drivers, & operators at Quill about this and they told me that they could use some more RTSs for the M72 & M66 since they can't use Orion VIIs on those routes anyway and also ever since they retired the 1998 RTSs and the remaining 1999 D60HFs, they've been short on some units. Even a lot of the passengers I've spoken to prefer the RTSs & complain about the Hybrids mostly the NGs. Also, even some drivers at Manhattanville prefer the RTSs for certain routes like the M96, M106 & M116. "ONCE AGAIN TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I'm not saying this just because I like the RTSs & I'm an RTS fan. This is just a thought that's been crossing my mind for a while now. So "while being civilized," let me know what you guys think about this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19816 Posted February 19, 2017 No bus is designed to handle crowding. It's unlawful, actually. Buses, like eateries and auditoriums, have an allowed amount before it becomes a safety concern. This is an argument for overcrowding.... There is a difference. Someone like you that's boarded 50 million buses & trains 50 million times over should know this.... And yes buses are designed to handle crowds. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous... Of course there are loading guidelines but they are designed to handle a certain number of standees. I think your definition of crowds may be different from mine. Either way it's subjective, but being a little fair to this guy, he said crowding, not crowds..... Only a fool would believe buses aren't meant to handle *some* level of crowding (i.e., crowds).... I don't think pokemon guy here is that far off the deep end.... I think he's from the 'burbs, where 90 minute headways and 7 people per bus are pretty much the norm. Our 'burb buses can seat 59 and stand 19, given that NYCT buses are smaller in headway. You brought up seating/standing capacity to address a remark about low ridership? :lol: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19817 Posted February 19, 2017 This is an argument for over You brought up seating/standing capacity to address a remark about low ridership? [emoji38] [emoji38] That was because someone mentioned my suburban origins and that's the posted capacity for Neoplans (articulated buses used by Bee Line). I'm more jaded than that. I just find the after school crowding obnoxious and dangerous. These brats are walking vitriol. If everyone paid their fare I wouldn't even complain. It's not commercially sustainable to have crowds that don't pay. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? That was because someone mentioned my suburban origins and that's the posted capacity for Neoplans (articulated buses used by Bee Line). I'm more jaded than that. I just find the after school crowding obnoxious and dangerous. These brats are walking vitriol. If everyone paid their fare I wouldn't even complain. It's not commercially sustainable to have crowds that don't pay. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? Trust me. I put up with a lot. I tweet less than 10% of my concerns. Modesty is an asset down here. Standing out is not. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? This is an argument for overcrowding.... There is a difference. Someone like you that's boarded 50 million buses & trains 50 million times over should know this.... Either way it's subjective, but being a little fair to this guy, he said crowding, not crowds..... Only a fool would believe buses aren't meant to handle *some* level of crowding (i.e., crowds).... I don't think pokemon guy here is that far off the deep end.... You brought up seating/standing capacity to address a remark about low ridership? [emoji38] [emoji38] My concern is about overcrowding and how the resulting environment causes ridership to shy away. These operators are human beings and I do think some of these freeloaders miss that point that the money comes from somewhere. Paying less will not make the fare go down. In fact, it punishes us all by increasing the deficit (currently $38 billion). ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19818 Posted February 19, 2017 How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? They usually cover it with a flimsy Xfer slip. He said before you get on, not as you're getting on the bus.... You cannot tell if a bus has a broken farebox on it, before it pulls up to your stop. ...Of course there are loading guidelines but they are designed to handle a certain number of standees. Those guidelines are often disregarded. The crowds are unnatural even for the jaded. That was in response to that original claim about crowding being unlawful..... There wouldn't be loading guidelines to be often disregarded if crowding on buses were against the law. That was because someone mentioned my suburban origins and that's the posted capacity for Neoplans (articulated buses used by Bee Line). Bee Line uses artics unsparingly, so it's still not a viable defense..... It's almost like you're implicating that every single trip on every route in Westchester county are being used to capacity - which of course isn't the case.... The existence of artics in their fleet would be a better argument to that 7 people per trip quip.... No public transportation provider would have a sizable amount of artics in their arsenal, if ridership per trip, per route, garnered so few people..... Trust me. I put up with a lot. I tweet less than 10% of my concerns. Modesty is an asset down here. Standing out is not. You certainly do put up with a lot - So much so that you're replying to yourself.... My concern is about overcrowding and how the resulting environment causes ridership to shy away..... Yes, overcrowding - Which is my point..... Which is not what you originally said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19819 Posted February 19, 2017 These operators are human beings and I do think some of these freeloaders miss that point that the money comes from somewhere. The thing I'm wondering is where do you get the money to pay your fare. Clearly, you have nothing to do all day except ride buses and trains and boast about your travels, I'm wondering how you turn that into income. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19820 Posted February 19, 2017 The thing I'm wondering is where do you get the money to pay your fare. Clearly, you have nothing to do all day except ride buses and trains and boast about your travels, I'm wondering how you turn that into income.It hurts to swipe, trust me. I'm just more willing to make a few sacrifices for my monthly. I value my monthly in a higher regard than my Visa card. My transit budget was always my highest priority after my phone bill. I'm very frugal with my meager income... ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19821 Posted February 19, 2017 lor] Bee Line uses artics unsparingly, so it's still not a viable defense..... It's almost like you're implicating that every single trip on every route in Westchester county are being used to capacity - which of course isn't the case.... Our buses do hit the high water mark. Have you ever rode the #40 to or from Wakefield in the afternoon? That bus passes by several colleges so I can assure you, we deal with crowds. We have several buses that pass by high profile locations that pack the buses rather quickly. The #20 passes by several shopping centers, a subway and a casino. Afternoons those buses are filled solid, even on a Sunday. In fact, that's largely fhe reason the #20 has the most packed Sunday schedule. Unlawful might have been harsh for terms. Nonetheless it is uncomfortable, for both the riders and the operator. My concern has been unruliness. Regarding the fare box question, my answer was meant for as I boarded. I simply u-turn off the bus and wait for the next one. ???? Eric Shields | #MassTransitHonchkrow ???? THE Hudson Valley's essential Fare-blazer ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19822 Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Our buses do hit the high water mark. Have you ever rode the #40 to or from Wakefield in the afternoon? That bus passes by several colleges so I can assure you, we deal with crowds. We have several buses that pass by high profile locations that pack the buses rather quickly. The #20 passes by several shopping centers, a subway and a casino. Afternoons those buses are filled solid, even on a Sunday. In fact, that's largely fhe reason the #20 has the most packed Sunday schedule. No shit Bee line has routes that deal with crowds... If you think you're talking to one of these city folks that doesn't know about the ridership on Bee Line's routes, you are dead wrong..... And I aint talking about looking up stats to come to an informed opinion either.... So, miss me with the implicative bullshit on how I've never rode Bee line buses, and go back & re-read what was actually said - Instead of going off addressing something that I never claimed.... Bringing up the BL-20 & the BL-40 when they do get crowded ≠ "every single trip on every route in Westchester county being used to capacity" Unlawful might have been harsh for terms. Nonetheless it is uncomfortable, for both the riders and the operator. My concern has been unruliness. Unlawful wasn't a mere harsh term... The fact of the matter is, when you mentioned crowding being unlawful, you meant overcrowding..... That's all... Lately, I've been passing up buses with broken fare boxes. I don't care how bad it is outside. At least I can breathe. People will pile drive a bus with no farebox in inclement weather. How would you know a bus has a broken fare box before you get on? They usually cover it with a flimsy Xfer slip. He said before you get on, not as you're getting on the bus.... You cannot tell if a bus has a broken farebox on it, before it pulls up to your stop. Regarding the fare box question, my answer was meant for as I boarded. I simply u-turn off the bus and wait for the next one. You answered Around the Horn's question, which clearly inquired before you getting on the bus..... Now when a little common sense is directed your way, all of a sudden, the answer was meant for as you boarded..... But alright. Edited February 19, 2017 by B35 via Church 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19823 Posted February 19, 2017 It hurts to swipe, trust me. I'm just more willing to make a few sacrifices for my monthly. I value my monthly in a higher regard than my Visa card. My transit budget was always my highest priority after my phone bill. I'm very frugal with my meager income... Shocking development.... The thing I'm wondering is where do you get the money to pay your fare. Clearly, you have nothing to do all day except ride buses and trains and boast about your travels, I'm wondering how you turn that into income. I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of these "freeloaders" he's exalting himself above... I don't exactly buy this crock of bullshit about passing up buses with broken fareboxes either... It's one thing to pass up a crowded bus before ever noticing (or knowing) a bus has a broken farebox - but to have readers believe you're waiting for a bus, your bus arrives, you attempt to board a bus, you attempt to pay your fare with a metro', you see that you're unable to, and you do an about face, off the bus???? And in a lot of cases, the b/o waves you onto the bus ! I don't know about you, but I aint boo boo the fool...... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassTransitHonchkrow Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19824 Posted February 19, 2017 That's a rather offensive accusa Shocking development.... I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of these "freeloaders" he's exalting himself above... I don't exactly buy this crock of bullshit about passing up buses with broken fareboxes either... It's one thing to pass up a crowded bus before ever noticing (or knowing) a bus has a broken farebox - but to have readers believe you're waiting for a bus, your bus arrives, you attempt to board a bus, you attempt to pay your fare with a metro', you see that you're unable to, and you do an about face, off the bus???? And in a lot of cases, the b/o waves you onto the bus ! I don't know about you, but I aint boo boo the fool...... How dare you. My EasyPay card is my pride and joy. I may be bombastic, but I am not shallow. Frugal, but no cheapskate. The service sucks, but I do practice what I preach. I pass by dozens of transit police every day. That kind of hypocrisy combined with my posting habit would have already sold me out. I don't cut corners with my MetroCard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted February 19, 2017 Share #19825 Posted February 19, 2017 It hurts to swipe, trust me. I'm just more willing to make a few sacrifices for my monthly. I value my monthly in a higher regard than my Visa card. My transit budget was always my highest priority after my phone bill. I'm very frugal with my meager income... That doesn't answer my question: How do you get the money to pay for your MetroCard? Are you working or otherwise doing something productive to society, or are you sitting there sucking up dollars from welfare programs? Heck, even if you're doing secret shopping or selling water bottles on the street (for those who know who I'm referring to) or some other similar hustle, at least you're using your time to provide some sort of service/product that people benefit from, instead of living off other people's productivity. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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