xD4nn Posted January 19, 2023 Share #2426 Posted January 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Why is Suffern in NY but not owned by MNR? The station itself is in NJ and is owned by NJT. The yard is in NY but NJT owns it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xD4nn Posted January 19, 2023 Share #2427 Posted January 19, 2023 15 hours ago, QM1to6Ave said: Has NJT ever tried to buy it off of MNRR? Seems like they could make more money if they own it outright Everything involving money is covered by MNRR. I don't see why NJT would want to buy it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 19, 2023 Share #2428 Posted January 19, 2023 1 hour ago, xD4nn said: Everything involving money is covered by MNRR. I don't see why NJT would want to buy it. Yeah, by buying it, they'd have to suddenly find millions of dollars for service operations and for the capital projects and general maintenance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 19, 2023 Share #2429 Posted January 19, 2023 2 hours ago, xD4nn said: The station itself is in NJ and is owned by NJT. The yard is in NY but NJT owns it. The station is solidly on the NY side of the border, pretty much in the middle of the town. I think it has more to do with the yard being used for NJT operations, combined with the fact that the majority of trains serving that station are non-contracted (to Metro-North) NJT trains. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2430 Posted January 20, 2023 7 hours ago, xD4nn said: Everything involving money is covered by MNRR. I don't see why NJT would want to buy it. 6 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Yeah, by buying it, they'd have to suddenly find millions of dollars for service operations and for the capital projects and general maintenance. Gotcha. Seems like a big headache for MNRR to need to manage all of this, but what do I know lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2431 Posted January 20, 2023 12 hours ago, QM1to6Ave said: Gotcha. Seems like a big headache for MNRR to need to manage all of this, but what do I know lol Sometimes sweetheart deals are involved where the takes over or is given things for very cheap. One example is Yonkers Depot. The land the depot sits on is owned by NYC and leased to the . NYC pays ZERO property taxes on what is now prime waterfront real estate. lol Yonkers wants the land, but the won't give it up unless they get a brand new depot out the deal at a minimum. With this situation, it looks like Metro-North leased the Port Jervis line from Norfolk Southern Railway, with the option to buy it outright almost twenty years ago. Assuming they exercised that option, I'm sure it's worth a lot more now since they've been making upgrades to the line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2432 Posted January 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Sometimes sweetheart deals are involved where the takes over or is given things for very cheap. One example is Yonkers Depot. The land the depot sits on is owned by NYC and leased to the . NYC pays ZERO property taxes on what is now prime waterfront real estate. lol Yonkers wants the land, but the won't give it up unless they get a brand new depot out the deal at a minimum. With this situation, it looks like Metro-North leased the Port Jervis line from Norfolk Southern Railway, with the option to buy it outright almost twenty years ago. Assuming they exercised that option, I'm sure it's worth a lot more now since they've been making upgrades to the line. Interesting, thanks! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2433 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Sometimes sweetheart deals are involved where the takes over or is given things for very cheap. One example is Yonkers Depot. The land the depot sits on is owned by NYC and leased to the . NYC pays ZERO property taxes on what is now prime waterfront real estate. lol Yonkers wants the land, but the won't give it up unless they get a brand new depot out the deal at a minimum. With this situation, it looks like Metro-North leased the Port Jervis line from Norfolk Southern Railway, with the option to buy it outright almost twenty years ago. Assuming they exercised that option, I'm sure it's worth a lot more now since they've been making upgrades to the line. How does that make sense? Yonkers Depot sits on Yonkers territory but NYC owns it??? Unless you mean that NYC actually owns it as a landlord and not that it’s a part of NYC itself. Edited January 20, 2023 by Lawrence St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2434 Posted January 20, 2023 Just now, Lawrence St said: How does that make sense? Yonkers Depot sits on Yonkers territory but NYC owns it??? I guess you're not familiar with the water-related infrastructure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 20, 2023 Share #2435 Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: How does that make sense? Yonkers Depot sits on Yonkers territory but NYC owns it??? Unless you mean that NYC actually owns it as a landlord and not that it’s a part of NYC itself. It makes perfect sense. You seem to forget that sometimes things change hands many times. Some of the private bus companies were struggling to make it. The easiest solution was to consolidate them and take over the bus lines, which is exactly what happened. It was cheaper for NYC (yes NYC) from a cost standpoint. With the exception of one bus line, all of the other buses out of Yonkers Depot serve only NYC. We're now in 2023. The consolidation happened over ten years ago when the city of Yonkers wasn't as interested as they have been lately in revitalizing the waterfront. Now that they have lured a number of new businesses in and invested to revitalize the area, that land has become quite expensive and they want it, as it would generate tax revenue, jobs, etc. for Yonkers. The will sit on it until they get exactly what they want. Yonkers at the moment does not want to provide funding to a new depot, as they know that would not be cheap. It is in the interest of the and NYC to continue the agreement in place, esp. since NYC pays no property taxes. Looking at the railroads, many of them failed due to declining ridership and we've seen a ton of consolidation over the years as a result. None of what has happened should be a surprise to you. Some of these private operators were heavily subsidized to keep afloat, but the subsidies don't last forever and when they run out, many have been unable to continue. Edited January 20, 2023 by Via Garibaldi 8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xD4nn Posted January 21, 2023 Share #2436 Posted January 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Sometimes sweetheart deals are involved where the takes over or is given things for very cheap. One example is Yonkers Depot. The land the depot sits on is owned by NYC and leased to the . NYC pays ZERO property taxes on what is now prime waterfront real estate. lol Yonkers wants the land, but the won't give it up unless they get a brand new depot out the deal at a minimum. With this situation, it looks like Metro-North leased the Port Jervis line from Norfolk Southern Railway, with the option to buy it outright almost twenty years ago. Assuming they exercised that option, I'm sure it's worth a lot more now since they've been making upgrades to the line. Metro North doesn't lease Port Jervis. They co-own it with Norfolk Southern. RROWNER MNCW RROWNER2NS RROWNER3 TRKRGHTS1NYSW SUBDIVPORT JERVIS LINE FRFRANODE487942 TOFRANODE488632 NETM PASSNGRC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 21, 2023 Share #2437 Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, xD4nn said: Metro North doesn't lease Port Jervis. They co-own it with Norfolk Southern. Re-read what I wrote... Quote It looks like Metro-North leased the Port Jervis line from Norfolk Southern Railway, with the option to buy it outright almost twenty years ago. At one point they did lease it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 21, 2023 Share #2438 Posted January 21, 2023 23 hours ago, QM1to6Ave said: Gotcha. Seems like a big headache for MNRR to need to manage all of this, but what do I know lol My guess is it's probably some state law saying that because it's an operation that primarily serves NY residents, Metro-North needs to be involved. 6 hours ago, Lawrence St said: How does that make sense? Yonkers Depot sits on Yonkers territory but NYC owns it??? Unless you mean that NYC actually owns it as a landlord and not that it’s a part of NYC itself. Apparently the NYC Sewage Department has a building out in Port Jervis: https://goo.gl/maps/VmvfDoDTLb9dByDU7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted January 21, 2023 Share #2439 Posted January 21, 2023 Since there's no proposal threads, here's an idea I've head floating in my head: Harlem Line Extension: Restore Harlem Line service to Chatnam Square with all previous stops. Convert the section between Southeast & Wassaic into doubletrack territory with 3rd rail electrification. The section between Wassaic & Union Station would be single tracked with diesel trains now operating on that branch. This would provide future expansion into Albany Station. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted January 22, 2023 Share #2440 Posted January 22, 2023 On 1/19/2023 at 5:46 PM, checkmatechamp13 said: The station is solidly on the NY side of the border, pretty much in the middle of the town. I think it has more to do with the yard being used for NJT operations, combined with the fact that the majority of trains serving that station are non-contracted (to Metro-North) NJT trains. Some coincidence that the subject matter in this thread is regarding Suffern, and I just came from Suffern yesterday... I thought about taking MNRR straight there to start my trip. but I went with the #165 to Westwood (to the MNRR from there to Spring Valley) instead.... Anyway, yeah, while part of the state line is the southern border of the town, the actual station itself is well north of it.... Same with Pearl River.... Many moons ago, I used to get confused that the trackage that runs along/past where that first stop of the TOR buses pick you up at, led to the MNRR station.... The walk from the actual MNRR station/platform to that bus stop in question (by that other track in question) I find to be a PITA.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted January 22, 2023 Share #2441 Posted January 22, 2023 They finally scrapped 6 M7 cars that were damaged in various accidents over the years. Credits to Marc Glucksman - River Rail Photo. Does anyone know what happened to car 7054? Can't find anything online about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 22, 2023 Share #2442 Posted January 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, danielhg121 said: They finally scrapped 6 M7 cars that were damaged in various accidents over the years. Credits to Marc Glucksman - River Rail Photo. Does anyone know what happened to car 7054? Can't find anything online about it. Do you know if the Hudson Line is finally getting new rail cars? I heard something a few years ago about some coming, but no idea when. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielhg121 Posted January 22, 2023 Share #2443 Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said: Do you know if the Hudson Line is finally getting new rail cars? I heard something a few years ago about some coming, but no idea when. Yea, there's an order of M9 railcars that were bought with federal funding for both the Metro-North and LIRR and these will be dubbed the M9A which I think will also have some additional features such as powered bathroom doors, stainless steel urinals and Gorilla Glass windows that don't haze, fade or crystallize. As for when they're coming, I'm not sure because the current LIRR M9 order is wrapping up soon. Not sure when the M9A's will arrive. At first in 2014, MNR said they would order 188 cars, and then backtracked in Jun 2018 and said they would just overhaul the M3A's and then in Nov 2018, they said they would purchase 170 M9A cars. Edited January 22, 2023 by danielhg121 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 23, 2023 Share #2444 Posted January 23, 2023 6 hours ago, danielhg121 said: Yea, there's an order of M9 railcars that were bought with federal funding for both the Metro-North and LIRR and these will be dubbed the M9A which I think will also have some additional features such as powered bathroom doors, stainless steel urinals and Gorilla Glass windows that don't haze, fade or crystallize. As for when they're coming, I'm not sure because the current LIRR M9 order is wrapping up soon. Not sure when the M9A's will arrive. At first in 2014, MNR said they would order 188 cars, and then backtracked in Jun 2018 and said they would just overhaul the M3A's and then in Nov 2018, they said they would purchase 170 M9A cars. Yeah I must've had an overhauled train because I normally get one of the old ones that jerk and was surprised to get a newer one today, as it was a semi-express train from Croton Harmon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted January 23, 2023 Share #2445 Posted January 23, 2023 On 1/11/2023 at 4:03 PM, xD4nn said: Money, enviroment, etc. That's not very specific. Repeating your statement doesn't make it more correct... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mine248 Posted January 24, 2023 Share #2446 Posted January 24, 2023 Grand central Madison opening Wednesday 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted January 24, 2023 Share #2447 Posted January 24, 2023 Finally. Considering they covered up the LIRR signs at GCT I was worried the delay will be longer, but a little under a month after 2022 ended isn't too bad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted January 24, 2023 Share #2448 Posted January 24, 2023 Does anyone know what track the GCT trains leave Jamaica from? Will it be a cross platform transfer at Jamaica or will people have to climb over to another track? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67thAve Posted January 24, 2023 Share #2449 Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) I'm glad to hear that it's opening, but definitely quite disappointed that it's happening while I'm away in London for three months! Hopefully the LIRR concourse doesn't turn into a homeless colony by April. I guess my surprise run-in with a certain famous London transport personality earlier this month was my consolation prize after all... Edited January 24, 2023 by 67thAve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted January 25, 2023 Share #2450 Posted January 25, 2023 On 1/23/2023 at 8:46 PM, mine248 said: Grand central Madison opening Wednesday I was just wondering about the status for Grand Central yesterday. Glad to see it’s finally being opened in some type of capacity. For now Woodside & Jamaica will be the transfer points for anyone traveling deeper into Queens & Long Island. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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