Shortline Bus Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share #326 Posted July 19, 2012 Okay, here's the deal with the X17 stopping in Bay Ridge... Instead of having the X28 restored on weekends, there are talks about having the X17 run instead and stop there. I have been told from my source that this has not been finalized yet, so I should know for sure by early next week, but I have responded to my source letting them know that we hope the X28 can be fully restored or as a compromise have the X28 run with reduced frequencies. If that the case then i assume it would be the BQE service road between 91 and 92nd St (connecting with the B70) Still if you restore the X27 then the X28 should be restored as well. Even if the weekend terminal is shortned to around the Canal/Cropsey (Pathmark shopping center) or Stillwell Terminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 19, 2012 Share #327 Posted July 19, 2012 I didn't want to speculate, but that is exactly what came to my mind after I saw W8Hou's 2nd post (post #309).... They may just have ppl. taking x17's & having em make their way to areas the x28 serves on weekends, instead of bringing the x28 back outright...... If that catches on, the weekend x17's are gonna be packed to the gills..... If that the case then i assume it would be the BQE service road between 91 and 92nd St (connecting with the B70)..... You mean the Gowanus..... Anyway, Not sure what you're referring to regarding 91st/92nd sts., but all it'll have to do is utilize Gatling place (SI bound), Dahlgren (Manhattan bound)..... same streets the x28 uses to dive on/off the hwy...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #328 Posted July 19, 2012 If that the case then i assume it would be the BQE service road between 91 and 92nd St (connecting with the B70) Still if you restore the X27 then the X28 should be restored as well. Even if the weekend terminal is shortned to around the Canal/Cropsey (Pathmark shopping center) or Stillwell Terminal. I get the feeling that money is at play here and also the X28 doesn't get as much ridership as the X27 on the weekends. Golden is trying to do what he can so I understand the situation, as he has put forth funds for both the X27 and X28 in the past to run on the weekends. Ideally folks who needed the X28 would head to the new proposed stop and get to the city from there, but again this is still in negotiation. The hope is to get the X28 back. I will know for sure by early next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limitednyc Posted July 19, 2012 Share #329 Posted July 19, 2012 if x27/28 would be restored i would combine them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted July 19, 2012 Share #330 Posted July 19, 2012 IMO, X27 and X28 should be combined in the weekends only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted July 19, 2012 Share #331 Posted July 19, 2012 if x27/28 would be restored i would combine them How, I mean the buses current do well as they are, no X28 rider wants to go along 86 street or Crospey Avenue/Surf Avenue then down to the Belt then go up again by Shore Road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #332 Posted July 19, 2012 IMO, X27 and X28 should be combined in the weekends only. Won't happen... The X27 is secured already. The X28 is the wildcard. I know the deal here... Bay Ridge screams the loudest plus they have the ridership to back it up, especially along Shore Rd. During my talks with Golden's office, the X27 has come up more often than the X28 for restoration on weekends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 19, 2012 Share #333 Posted July 19, 2012 Not the first time I heard someone suggest that (combining the x27/28 on weekends).... It didn't make sense then & it still doesn't now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #334 Posted July 19, 2012 Not the first time I heard someone suggest that (combining the x27/28 on weekends).... It didn't make sense then & it still doesn't now. It sure doesn't... I used to use the X28 regularly on Sundays and that route serves a completely different segment of Southern Brooklyn than the X27 does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #335 Posted July 19, 2012 I just read through two pages of thread, *whew* And here's what I have to say: The X17 should not stop in Bay Ridge. It may actually speed up the route, ironically, but the buses will be filled to the brim. I can think of a number of compromises: (Saturday only, 90-minute headways) but sending the X17 there isn't one of them. As for the waterfront routes: Hopefully the Greenpoint route means that the Q59 will take Marcy/Rodney to get to WBP instead of that loop... The DUMBO route isn't that bad, it can actually go from Smith/9th to the waterfront, maybe replacing the B25 to DUMBO, the B57 extension and supplement the B57/62/69 up by the Navy Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #336 Posted July 19, 2012 Has anyone ever thought about the B62. If the B71, B75, and B77 return or at least one of them return the B61 is most likely going to return to its original route to Long Island City. This means that the B62 has a good chance of being gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #337 Posted July 19, 2012 Has anyone ever thought about the B62. If the B71, B75, and B77 return or at least one of them return the B61 is most likely going to return to its original route to Long Island City. This means that the B62 has a good chance of being gone. The MTA wouldn't renig on something that big like a route split... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortline Bus Posted July 19, 2012 Author Share #338 Posted July 19, 2012 My replies in red. Mostly IMO the did a good job in restoring the right services. The only major disagreement is the "B57" being extended to red hook. They should have brought back the damn "B77". Anyhow my takes is below. Bronx Bx13 Extension from E 161st St to Gateway Mall via River Ave Serves Concourse Village, Mott Haven Finally BX. Gateway gets a bus line. Still that proposed line to/from Hunt's Point should been that route that serves Gateway. Service to new markets Jan 2013 Bx34 Restore weekend service from 242nd St to Fordham Rd via Bainbridge Ave Serves Woodlawn, Norwood, Bedford Park, Fordham Bravo. Weekend service on the BX34 should have never been cut. Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 New Service South Bronx service to western Hunts Point Serves Hunts Point, Barretto Point Park This route should also serve the Yankee Stadium and Bronx Gateway Mall/Metro North "East 153rd St/YS" stop as well to help out the busy "BX6" as well. May happen in near future. Service to new markets Sept 2013 Brooklyn Line Extend to Church Avenue permanently Serves Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, Kensington No brainer. Plus lessens the congestion between Caroll and Smith-9th Sts. Improves service connectivity 2013 B2 Restore weekend service from Midwood to Kings Plaza Mall via Avenue R Serves Gravesend, Marine Park This is sweet. Even if only Saturday service had returned that would been enough. Weekend service restoration Oct 2012 B4 Restore route from Ocean Pkwy to Knapp St via Neptune, Sheepshead Bay Rd, Emmons Ave/Shore Parkway Serves Brighton Beach, Sheepshead Bay No Brainer. Route segment restoration Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 B24 Restore weekend service from Greenpoint to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza via Sunnyside Serves Williamsburg, Sunnyside, Greenpoint Personally this B24 needs a make-over but that for another chat. IMO it shoudl run weekends only between Manhattan Ave/Greenpoint Ave station and Sunnyside. Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 B39 Route restoration from Williamsburg Bridge Plaza to LES Delancey/Allen Sts via Williamsburg Bridge Serves Williamsburg, Lower East Side Does anyone know if this is a 24/7 route? This is good news but IMO overnight service is not needed here. Also this route could been extended to say the Grand St "B & D" station for access also to the "M103." Route restoration Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 B48 Restore extension from Atlantic Ave to Prospect Park station via Franklin Ave/Classon Ave Serves Prospect Hts, Crown Hts, Prospect Lefferts Gardens Cool! Personally I would consider extending the B48 to Sunnyside and have the "B43" serve Nassau Ave. Route segment restoration Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 B57 Extension from Carroll Gardens to Red Hook via Court St, Lorraine St, Otsego St Serves Red Hook One of the very few extensions I disagree with. The "B57" is already a long route. I would brought back the "B77" instead and have the "B57" terminal at 4th Ave/9th St station. Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 B64 Restore extension from Cropsey Ave to Stillwell Ave via Harway Ave Serves Bay Ridge, Dyker Heights, Coney Island Finally. Just like the "B39" IMO no need for overnight service. Route segment restoration Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 B69 Restore weekend service from Kensington to Downtown Brooklyn Serves DUMBO, Ft Greene, Clinton Hill, Prospect Hts, Park Slope, Windsor Terrace, Kensington I would have the "B69" extended via 16th Avenue to the 62nd St "D and N" station. Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 New Service New service connecting Downtown Brooklyn, DUMBO, Vinegar Hill and the Brooklyn Navy Yard; route to be determined Not sure yet. Need to see routing/street it will take before i can comment. Service to new markets Sept 2013 New Williamsburg waterfront service; route to be determined Serves Williamsburg and Greenpoint I would have instead had extended this planned line to run as a Williamsburg/Greenpoint-East Midtown line via Midtown Tunnel as way to relieve crowding on the and also certain times on the . Service to new markets Sept 2013 New service between East New York and Spring Creek, Brooklyn; route to be determined Serves Spring Creek Not sure. Need to see routing. Service to new markets Sept 2013 X27/X17 New Stop Restore X27 weekend service from Bay Ridge to Midtown Manhattan Add new Bay Ridge, Brooklyn stop on X17 Serves Bay Ridge, Fort Hamilton, Dyker Heights While as a compromise i been urging for a return of X27/28 Saturday service, this is great news. With that said, it should run 30 minutes on Saturdays and 60 minutes on Sundays. And what up with this X17 stop i assume at BQE Service Road/92nd Street? Just bring back the X28 with hourly service on weekends. Weekend service restoration Oct 2012 Manhattan M1 Restore service from 106th St to 8th St via Madison/5th Avenues on weekends Serves Yorkville, Upper East Side, Midtown, Flatiron, Greenwich Village Never should been cut. Worst case on weekends the M1 should have terminated downtown at Penn Station. Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 M9 Extend route from 23rd Street to 29th St via 1st/2nd Aves Serves Kips Bay Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 Extend route from Park Row to Battery Park City via Warren/Murray Sts and West St Serves East Village, Lower East Side, Chinatown, Battery Park City Have to see it's revised routing before i can comment. Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 M21 Restore weekend service from FDR Drive to Washington St via Houston St Serves Lower East Side, East Village, SoHo, Greenwich Village, West Village The Lower West Side/SO Ho is a growing area. Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 New Service New north-south Far Westside Manhattan route Serves West Village, Chelsea, Hell’s Kitchen, Clinton Huge gamble creating this route. Yes the far west side needs a bus route. However big issue is if it's taking 12th Ave/West Side Highway it could be a good idea gone bad. Service to new markets Sept 2013 Queens Q24 Restore extension from Bway Junction to Bushwick Ave via Broadway Serves East New York, Bushwick IMO I would have extended it to Woodhull Hosp if it's running to the Dekalb Ave/Bway area. And I would have also create weekday "Limited Stop" service between Bway Jct. and Supthin/Archer. Service restoration Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 Q27 Provide overnight service from Horace Harding Expwy to Cambria Hts via Springfield Blvd Serves Queens Village, Cambria Hts Network coverage restoration Jan 2013 Q30 Provide service to Queensborough Community College Service to new markets Jan 2013 Q36 Extension of every other trip from Jamaica Avenue to Little Neck via Little Neck Parkway; restores weekday service along route of previous Q79 Serves Floral Park, Bellerose, Glen Oaks, Little Neck IMO I would have extended the Q30 or even a branch of the Q46. However at least Little Neck Pwy once again has bus service though delays/bunching maybe an issue here. Network coverage restoration Jan 2013 Q42 Restore midday service from Jamaica Ctr to St Albans via Archer Ave Serves Jamaica, Addisleigh Park No problem. Service restoration Jan 2013 Q76 Restore Saturday service/add Sunday service from Jamaica to College Point via Francis Lewis Blvd Serves Jamaica, Jamaica Estates, Fresh Meadows, Bayside, Whitestone, College Pt. Good idea. However late Sat/Sunday evenings appx. 8pm-11pm(last bus) I would run hourly service here. Weekend service restoration and addition Oct 2012 Staten Island S76 Restore weekend service from Oakwood to St George Ferry via Richmond Rd Serves St George, Tompkinsville, Clifton, Fox Hills, Grasmere, Dongan Hills, New Dorp, Oakwood Weekend service restoration Jan 2013 S93 Extension from entrance of College of Staten Island into campus area Serves Willowbrook, Castleton Corners, Sunnyside, Bay Ridge Great. Now this line needs next, at least 30-minute service midday weekdays. Improves service connectivity Jan 2013 X1 Add late night Express Bus service from Eltingville to Manhattan via Hlyan Blvd Serves Eltingville, Oakwood, New Dorp, Midland Beach, Grasmere Might as well since it already running basically from 4am-2am daily. Network coverage Jan 2013 X17 Provide Sunday service from Huguenot Ave to Midtown Manhattan Serves Huguenot, Annadale, Arden Hts, Bulls Head, New Springville The SI South Shore really need 7 day bus service to Manhattan. Weekend service addition Oct 2012 Extend route off-peak weekdays and evenings from Huguenot Ave to Tottenville via Rossville Ave, Bloomingdale Rd, Amboy Road/Hylan Blvd Serves Rossville, Woodrow, Tottenville Service to new markets Jan 2013 Replies in red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #339 Posted July 19, 2012 I belive the routing on this map: https://maps.google....001183,0.002411 in Vinegar Hill is the planned routing... It's the only route that'd get it across there... The DUMBO route should go down to Red Hook and they cut back the B57 to Futon Mall instead of extending the B57 to Red Hook... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #340 Posted July 19, 2012 @Shortline: That's not an issue, there's no way that West Side Manhattan route will take the WSH. I'm sure it'll be another 11th ave route and there's a fantastic idea. -- Very happy to see all of this, especially the B39 return. I guess you get half of what you want since they still won't give me the M8 back. Honestly, giving service to the M21 and not M8 is ridiculous, I know they're doing it just cause the 21 is further south but Houston's traffic on the weekends is nuts and the M8 would have had more ridership. Oh well, just glad to hear about all the rest of the news. M1 sure came out of the blue, I didn't actually think the 106th St turnaround was that crazy tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #341 Posted July 19, 2012 M1 sure came out of the blue, I didn't actually think the 106th St turnaround was that crazy tbh. It wasn't a shocker to me at all. Many folks have been very critical about the M1 being lost on weekends, especially the folks in Harlem. They really felt victimized. @Shortline: I agree with the B57 extension. It's already there... Might as well extend it. If the ridership expands further and the money is there then you bring back those short routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #342 Posted July 19, 2012 Whenever I was coming down from Harlem on any route other than the M2, I'd always just transfer at 106. That's why the move seemed reasonable to me, but who knows. I still think the M1 should be on Park Av and Broadway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #343 Posted July 19, 2012 @Shortline: That's not an issue, there's no way that West Side Manhattan route will take the WSH. I'm sure it'll be another 11th ave route and there's a fantastic idea. Probably from the current M72 terminal to Abingdon Square, via 10th & 11th Avenues. That is a very good idea. (Should be labeled "M12", IMO...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #344 Posted July 19, 2012 My two cents: I like the Bx13 extension and Bx34 return on weekends. Woodlawn residents are more accustomed to taking that bus to the , not taking the Bx31 to the slow and painful . As for the Barretto Point Park bus, I would make it a branch of the Bx6 (probably called the Bx6A) and run it to Yankee Stadium. Not all Bx6's need to go into Manhattan, every other bus will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #345 Posted July 19, 2012 Whenever I was coming down from Harlem on any route other than the M2, I'd always just transfer at 106. That's why the move seemed reasonable to me, but who knows. I still think the M1 should be on Park Av and Broadway... Well I agree... I prefer it on Park Av as well, but the Harlem residents were quite angry I'll tell you that much and from what I see when I'm on the express bus passing through Harlem, they do get good usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #346 Posted July 19, 2012 My two cents: I like the Bx13 extension and Bx34 return on weekends. Woodlawn residents are more accustomed to taking that bus to the , not taking the Bx31 to the slow and painful . As for the Barretto Point Park bus, I would make it a branch of the Bx6 (probably called the Bx6A) and run it to Yankee Stadium. Not all Bx6's need to go into Manhattan, every other bus will suffice. Agreed, it seems like a glorified Baretto Park Pool shuttle at this point. The Brooklyn routes have more potential, as I said, the DUMBO route could go to Red Hook and as Shortline said, the Billyburg/Greenpoint route could go to Midtown... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #347 Posted July 19, 2012 Agreed, it seems like a glorified Baretto Park Pool shuttle at this point. The Brooklyn routes have more potential, as I said, the DUMBO route could go to Red Hook and as Shortline said, the Billyburg/Greenpoint route could go to Midtown... I'm concerned for the DUMBO bus because of the reception the B25 received upon its extension through that community. To play it safe, I'd rather extend the B67/69 north of Sands St to the Vinegar Hill/DUMBO area. For the Barretto Point Park bus, if it only went between the Park and Hunts Point Av station, it would be set up for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q64Extention Posted July 19, 2012 Share #348 Posted July 19, 2012 Does the Q42 really deserve off-peak hour service? I know that Addisleigh Park residents are demanding, but the Q42 currently has the least ridership in Queens. Also, I wonder why the Q76 gets Saturday and Sunday service, while the Q31 is still left in the dust. (I know that I'm foaming a lot about the Q31). Probably from the current Q72 terminal to Abingdon Square, via 10th & 11th Avenues. That is a very good idea. (Should be labeled "M12", IMO...) Isn't it the M72? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted July 19, 2012 Share #349 Posted July 19, 2012 I'm concerned for the DUMBO bus because of the reception the B25 received upon its extension through that community. To play it safe, I'd rather extend the B67/69 north of Sands St to the Vinegar Hill/DUMBO area. For the Barretto Point Park bus, if it only went between the Park and Hunts Point Av station, it would be set up for failure. I'm not because DUMBO has steadily been growing. You have to understand the demographics down there. More younger folks moving there and younger folks are more inclined to use public transportation. Kudos to the for trying this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threxx Posted July 19, 2012 Share #350 Posted July 19, 2012 Isn't it the M72? Yes, M72, my mistake. Anyway, for the DUMBO/Billyburg routes, these are the routings I think they'll take, as they make the most sense. https://maps.google.....009468,0.01929 I also expect eventually the B25 will get cut back to Tillary St and the Q59 will use Marcy/Rodney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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