Lawrence St Posted July 15, 2022 Share #2801 Posted July 15, 2022 I had the displeasure of having a former ONE Bus NABI on a route today, and let me just say those buses are horrible... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted July 16, 2022 Share #2802 Posted July 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I had the displeasure of having a former ONE Bus NABI on a route today, and let me just say those buses are horrible... You mean a former Academy CRAPI... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2803 Posted July 17, 2022 Beginning to think I picked the wrong work. Having Willowbrook Mall close at 8 is just bad.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2804 Posted July 17, 2022 I think that NJT should do the following: Move all of the Union City local routes from Meadowlands to the rebuilt Union City Garage and just have Meadowlands have the express routes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2805 Posted July 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I think that NJT should do the following: Move all of the Union City local routes from Meadowlands to the rebuilt Union City Garage and just have Meadowlands have the express routes. What happens to fairview? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2806 Posted July 17, 2022 25 minutes ago, BreeddekalbL said: What happens to fairview? What does Fairview have to do with the local routes? All they have are the express lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlxMtroD Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2807 Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I think that NJT should do the following: Move all of the Union City local routes from Meadowlands to the rebuilt Union City Garage and just have Meadowlands have the express routes. I like your idea of the local routes moved to the rebuilt Union City garage. Meadowlands would have enough space to accommodate more articulated buses, especially if NJT all of a sudden puts in a RFP bus order for articulateds. They can return Hilton's 4 ( 20825- 20828 or so artics right back to the garage 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2808 Posted July 17, 2022 56 minutes ago, FlxMtroD said: I like your idea of the local routes moved to the rebuilt Union City garage. Meadowlands would have enough space to accommodate more articulated buses, especially if NJT all of a sudden puts in a RFP bus order for articulateds. They can return Hilton's 4 ( 20825- 20828 or so artics right back to the garage Thanks. I don’t know why they shuttered Union City garage to begin with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 17, 2022 Share #2809 Posted July 17, 2022 Where was old union city garage? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2810 Posted July 18, 2022 3 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: Where was old union city garage? New York & 29th.... The Union City dept. of public works now uses the old NJT facility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2811 Posted July 18, 2022 Man, the difference in speed between the #10/119 and the #81 is like night and day. I took the PATH to Grove Street and caught the 6:45pm out of Exchange Place (rather than the 6:50pm #10 out of JSQ) and by the time I got off and walked to the Bayonne Bridge, I saw the 7:10pm out of JSQ pass by. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2812 Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) On 7/11/2022 at 2:41 PM, Mtatransit said: I think there were some casino promotions/as well as some firework/performances during that July 4th weekend that contributed to the crowds. But the late evening trips 10:30pm, 12am trips was always busy even on a normal summer weekend. But in general they should run the 319 more frequently after 8PM (maybe every hour instead of every 90 minutes). What Pinepower/Charlton doesn't seem to understand is that buses don't move themselves. Yes you have buses available, but what about the drivers? Also what happen when you get to NY? You have to bring the bus back down to South Jersey. Its easy to say you should have buses on standby, but that means an operator has to be on standby too, and depending on the contract, that could get expensive, especially if you end up not needing the extra service. It also can't be Greyhound because their last trip left in the late afternoon. They used to run alot more trips to AC, but they never restored that amount of service post COVID. Plus their service is catered towards bring people from NYC to AC in the morning but not from AC (because there is no evening trip, most likely riders would take GH to AC to get the casino bonus), so all these return riders end up on the 319 as well As for an AC ticket, if you bought the RT excursion fare ticket for $42 I believe you actually end up saving money versus paying 559 to 139. That being said, I fanned the 559 to the 139 (well I started in Cape May). Will not do again lol... wayy too long of a ride, and the transfer at Lakewood sucks because the transfers are never coordinated. Doesn't help that I took it at night too, and waiting an hour at Lakewood bus terminal is an hour too much at 12am in the night That being said, its weird NJT doesn't allow standees on the 319? I was on a Trans-Bridge bus that same weekend, and the bus was packed, meaning all seat full, standees from rear to front white line. I feel bad for the people paying $45 bucks to stand for 3 hours from Easton, PA to PABT and with tunnel traffic on top of that The thing with passengers United is their tendency to complain about everything. Even on topics they know very little about. I mean they are literally fighting with Riders Alliance lol, I am not sure what that is about... - Yeah, IDK what was going on that day, but what I do know is that the demand for the #319 late nights out of AC back to NYC during the summer weekends especially was always high.... Like I said in the other post, I refrain from taking the #319 back up towards NY whenever I do my SNJ trips..... - That whole, a bus on layover at a common terminal (or set to DH back to its respective garage) should just up & fill a missing trip, has been rhetoric that Pinepower's been spewing for ages... Hell, he just conveyed/espoused the mindset in a video he uploaded today (at multiple points, but he does it almost verbatim around the 8:00 mark of the video) regarding in an (apparently) missing trip on the n40/41 yesterday..... It's par for the course with him.... Either that, or supporting upping & having a bus DH from a garage to fill a missing trip on a given trip... It's not rooted in reality.... He's one of these people that believes feelings trumps facts..... With this situation Charlton experienced, I simply think he was in over his head, not being near as privy to NJT as he is about the MTA.... I've never heard him suggest something as stupid as what Pinepower was suggesting in his vidcom of Charlton's trip 2 weeks or so ago; he has a better understanding of the logistics behind surface transit operations..... - I know you end up saving money that way (the full #139 is that $19 bucks & the full #559 is $10.70.... done that combination more times than I count), but I'm still curious to know if you can use a ticket across cumulative routes like that... Seriously doubt it though.... As far as the waiting in Lakewood late nights, I suppose it's not for the faint of heart for most people, but Lakewood Terminal personally doesn't bother me.... I prefer waiting outside over waiting inside (the ventilation in there quite frankly sucks).... Scheduling-wise. you would think there would be more cohesiveness b/w the #139 & the #559, but it's almost like they're trying to deter you from xferring b/w the two routes during the early morning hours.... You take the 1am #139 trip to Lakewood, you wait the half hour for the #559... That trip that leaves a quarter to 2am, you just miss the 3am #559 & wait about 40 mins. for the 4am trip.... That 2:30 #139 trip, f*** what the schedule says (I believe it says 3:56 or 3:57, but), you're gonna miss that 4am #559 trip.... I'll just say that experience is the best teacher. I usually take that 4am #139 for my SNJ trips, which links you up with that 5:40 #559 trip.... That f***ing 5:00am #139 trip on the weekends is usually the (unofficial) rt. 9 drunk express to the Old Bridge P&R (where a lot of those drunkards get off; at least 1/2 of however many people are on the bus, at minimum).... Almost always leaves with a seated load.... Sometimes they take the 4am trip also, but most take that 5am trip) I avoid like the plague.... I often find myself saying that I wish there was a 3am trip on the #139, but honestly speaking, that shit would pretty much carry air..... - I understand the not allowing standees on the #319... Hell, I think it's criminal (figuratively speaking) that any carrier would allow for standees on regional buses.... This goes hand-in-hand with carriers being frugal with service that would even lead to the potential for standees on a given intercity/regional trip.... Not sure if it's still the case, but standees on the #308 was the norm back in the day.... - Yeah, Charlton's obsession with Riders Alliance is quite weird, to say the least.... To analogize, it's a problem I have with a lot of Mets fans - they have this tendency to worry about the Yankees just as much as, if not actually more than their own team... Same shit with Charlton; just about every time you look, he's complaining about what Riders Alliance is or isn't doing,... How about you use that same energy to advocate for the better transit you're supposed to be advocating for.... This thing where you have these NYC based advocacy groups (because it's not just him/Passengers United) acting adversarial to one another, is goofy as shit... I don't want to be the mf-er advocating for better transit better than some other advocacy group, I just want better transit!!! Novel damn concept. Edited July 18, 2022 by B35 via Church split post & formatting 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2813 Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/16/2022 at 8:11 PM, 46Dover said: Beginning to think I picked the wrong work. Having Willowbrook Mall close at 8 is just bad.... Any other reason as to why? 14 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I think that NJT should do the following: Move all of the Union City local routes from Meadowlands to the rebuilt Union City Garage and just have Meadowlands have the express routes. Depends what you mean by express... 8 hours ago, BreeddekalbL said: 13 hours ago, Lawrence St said: I think that NJT should do the following: Move all of the Union City local routes from Meadowlands to the rebuilt Union City Garage and just have Meadowlands have the express routes. What happens to fairview? They'd likely lose split operations of the #128 and the #321 to Meadowlands (where both those routes would solely operate out of).... Fairview would only house the Fort Lee routes. 13 minutes ago, checkmatechamp13 said: Man, the difference in speed between the #10/119 and the #81 is like night and day. I took the PATH to Grove Street and caught the 6:45pm out of Exchange Place (rather than the 6:50pm #10 out of JSQ) and by the time I got off and walked to the Bayonne Bridge, I saw the 7:10pm out of JSQ pass by. Yeah, the activity per stop along JFK is maddening (and this is still with the jitneys in the way).... I used to like fanning the #119, but it's gotten way too popular since its inception .... I may as well stay here in the city & fan a route like the Bx19 if I wanted to fan a long winded route that makes 50 million stops.... The #81 is alright b/w Jersey City & Greenville (although I much prefer fanning the #6 b/w JSQ & Greenville)... It still moves better than the #10/119 (to your point), but the #81 has a tendency to unnecessarily crawl in Bayonne - at least, of the times I've taken it to/from down there.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
go25 Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2814 Posted July 18, 2022 13 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Thanks. I don’t know why they shuttered Union City garage to begin with. I believe it wasn't safe anymore for buses, hence NJT built Meadowlands garage 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2815 Posted July 18, 2022 9 hours ago, B35 via Church said: - Yeah, IDK what was going on that day, but what I do know is that the demand for the #319 late nights out of AC back to NYC during the summer weekends especially was always high.... Like I said in the other post, I refrain from taking the #319 back up towards NY whenever I do my SNJ trips..... - That whole, a bus on layover at a common terminal (or set to DH back to its respective garage) should just up & fill a missing trip, has been rhetoric that Pinepower's been spewing for ages... Hell, he just conveyed/espoused the mindset in a video he uploaded today (at multiple points, but he does it almost verbatim around the 8:00 mark of the video) regarding in an (apparently) missing trip on the n40/41 yesterday..... It's par for the course with him.... Either that, or supporting upping & having a bus DH from a garage to fill a missing trip on a given trip... It's not rooted in reality.... He's one of these people that believes feelings trumps facts..... With this situation Charlton experienced, I simply think he was in over his head, not being near as privy to NJT as he is about the MTA.... I've never heard him suggest something as stupid as what Pinepower was suggesting in his vidcom of Charlton's trip 2 weeks or so ago; he has a better understanding of the logistics behind surface transit operations..... - I know you end up saving money that way (the full #139 is that $19 bucks & the full #559 is $10.70.... done that combination more times than I count), but I'm still curious to know if you can use a ticket across cumulative routes like that... Seriously doubt it though.... As far as the waiting in Lakewood late nights, I suppose it's not for the faint of heart for most people, but Lakewood Terminal personally doesn't bother me.... I prefer waiting outside over waiting inside (the ventilation in there quite frankly sucks).... Scheduling-wise. you would think there would be more cohesiveness b/w the #139 & the #559, but it's almost like they're trying to deter you from xferring b/w the two routes during the early morning hours.... You take the 1am #139 trip to Lakewood, you wait the half hour for the #559... That trip that leaves a quarter to 2am, you just miss the 3am #559 & wait about 40 mins. for the 4am trip.... That 2:30 #139 trip, f*** what the schedule says (I believe it says 3:56 or 3:57, but), you're gonna miss that 4am #559 trip.... I'll just say that experience is the best teacher. I usually take that 4am #139 for my SNJ trips, which links you up with that 5:40 #559 trip.... That f***ing 5:00am #139 trip on the weekends is usually the (unofficial) rt. 9 drunk express to the Old Bridge P&R (where a lot of those drunkards get off; at least 1/2 of however many people are on the bus, at minimum).... Almost always leaves with a seated load.... Sometimes they take the 4am trip also, but most take that 5am trip) I avoid like the plague.... I often find myself saying that I wish there was a 3am trip on the #139, but honestly speaking, that shit would pretty much carry air..... - I understand the not allowing standees on the #319... Hell, I think it's criminal (figuratively speaking) that any carrier would allow for standees on regional buses.... This goes hand-in-hand with carriers being frugal with service that would even lead to the potential for standees on a given intercity/regional trip.... Not sure if it's still the case, but standees on the #308 was the norm back in the day.... - Yeah, Charlton's obsession with Riders Alliance is quite weird, to say the least.... To analogize, it's a problem I have with a lot of Mets fans - they have this tendency to worry about the Yankees just as much as, if not actually more than their own team... Same shit with Charlton; just about every time you look, he's complaining about what Riders Alliance is or isn't doing,... How about you use that same energy to advocate for the better transit you're supposed to be advocating for.... This thing where you have these NYC based advocacy groups (because it's not just him/Passengers United) acting adversarial to one another, is goofy as shit... I don't want to be the mf-er advocating for better transit better than some other advocacy group, I just want better transit!!! Novel damn concept. In retrospect, the way how NJT runs the 319 isn’t efficient at all. The full 319’s only do one trip and deadhead back to their respective depots. The rest of the 319’s, depending on the time of day, make useless additional stops that gain little to no ridership (I’m looking at you, Ocean County P&R). That adds an extra 15 minutes for no reason. If anything, select 559 trips to Lakewood should continue directly express to New York or at least Seacacus Junction… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2816 Posted July 18, 2022 12 hours ago, B35 via Church said: Any other reason as to why? Just wanted those Wendy’s grilled chicken sandwiches and with the mall closing early I can’t do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2817 Posted July 18, 2022 The 192/199 schedules have changed to reflect the opening of the Kingsland Street bridge in Clifton Commons. It was supposed to open the 6th, but it’s been pushed up to the end of the month to August 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2818 Posted July 18, 2022 What's with these 190 buses to Union City...being labeled as 190? Shouldn't this use a non-100 series route since it doesn't...you know...go into NY? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted July 18, 2022 Share #2819 Posted July 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Lawrence St said: What's with these 190 buses to Union City...being labeled as 190? Shouldn't this use a non-100 series route since it doesn't...you know...go into NY? Same with the 161 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreeddekalbL Posted July 19, 2022 Share #2820 Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Lawrence St said: What's with these 190 buses to Union City...being labeled as 190? Shouldn't this use a non-100 series route since it doesn't...you know...go into NY? 1 hour ago, 46Dover said: Same with the 161 I think the 165 also has one that ends in union city as well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAzumah Posted July 19, 2022 Share #2821 Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/11/2022 at 3:40 PM, Lawrence St said: The Garden State Parkway is a madhouse with cars cutting buses off. It’s understandable why they have no standees on the 319. It is also against federal law to stand passengers on routes more than 100 miles in length. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfs NJT459 Posted July 19, 2022 Share #2822 Posted July 19, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 8:46 AM, Lawrence St said: In retrospect, the way how NJT runs the 319 isn’t efficient at all. The full 319’s only do one trip and deadhead back to their respective depots. The rest of the 319’s, depending on the time of day, make useless additional stops that gain little to no ridership (I’m looking at you, Ocean County P&R). That adds an extra 15 minutes for no reason. You can add late weeknight SB stops at Brick and Dorado P&Rs when that’s supposed to be the 137’s stops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 19, 2022 Share #2823 Posted July 19, 2022 Are there any #161/165/166 trips that end in Union City/Weehawken? On the schedule, I only see some that start there (in the morning rush heading northbound), but nothing ending there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted July 20, 2022 Share #2824 Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, checkmatechamp13 said: Are there any #161/165/166 trips that end in Union City/Weehawken? On the schedule, I only see some that start there (in the morning rush heading northbound), but nothing ending there. You need to use transee, a lot of the NJT schedules are missing certain trips. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted July 20, 2022 Share #2825 Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 6:32 PM, Lawrence St said: What's with these 190 buses to Union City...being labeled as 190? Shouldn't this use a non-100 series route since it doesn't...you know...go into NY? I don't see the big deal.... Short turns are a thing. On 7/18/2022 at 8:27 PM, BreeddekalbL said: I think the 165 also has one that ends in union city as well That's not Union City, that's Weehawken & the #165 only has trips that begin there in the mornings... Nothing starting at Westwood, Oradell, or River Edge ends at Weehawken... Wouldn't make any sense for it to anyway.... 1 hour ago, checkmatechamp13 said: Are there any #161/165/166 trips that end in Union City/Weehawken? On the schedule, I only see some that start there (in the morning rush heading northbound), but nothing ending there. Nope (to all three). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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