MTA Bus Posted November 27, 2013 Share #1 Posted November 27, 2013 NJ is trying to get the to come to New Jersey once again. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/11/no_7_expansion.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 27, 2013 Share #2 Posted November 27, 2013 I got nothing against Christie, great governor and great man, but man he shouldn't have shot down the ARC tunnel so we can SHUT THE F*CK UP about this crap already. It's a stupid idea. We could've expanded the capacity of NJT service into Manhattan and ended it at that, but nooo.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashThunder Posted November 27, 2013 Share #3 Posted November 27, 2013 Definitely not a good idea... If 7 train comes to Hoboken, then I demand the L train to come to Jersey city and A train to cross the bridge into New Jersey... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 27, 2013 Share #4 Posted November 27, 2013 I got nothing against Christie, great governor and great man, but man he shouldn't have shot down the ARC tunnel so we can SHUT THE F*CK UP about this crap already. It's a stupid idea. We could've expanded the capacity of NJT service into Manhattan and ended it at that, but nooo.... For once I agree with you! Christie completely f**ked over regional transportation for the next ten, twenty years with the dismantling of the ARC project. We're all going to be paying the price for his stupidity and short-sightedness for a while to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted November 27, 2013 Share #5 Posted November 27, 2013 I actually don't have much against the to New Jersey, but like Orion said, it would have been a whole lot better if Christie hadn't cut that funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 27, 2013 Share #6 Posted November 27, 2013 Wait a minute, are they seriously saying they want it to Hoboken now and not Secaucus? JESUS! PATH handles that and so do the NJT buses. Both Port and Transit would not (or definitely should not for their own sakes) like this plan, they'd lose money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted November 27, 2013 Share #7 Posted November 27, 2013 Wait a minute, are they seriously saying they want it to Hoboken now and not Secaucus? JESUS! PATH handles that and so do the NJT buses. Both Port and Transit would not (or definitely should not for their own sakes) like this plan, they'd lose money! It would be bad for all sides really. And IF another sandy catastrophe happens, we would have another big problem on our hands. I would prefer Secaucus than Hoboken IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted November 27, 2013 Share #8 Posted November 27, 2013 Wait a minute, are they seriously saying they want it to Hoboken now and not Secaucus? JESUS! PATH handles that and so do the NJT buses. Both Port and Transit would not (or definitely should not for their own sakes) like this plan, they'd lose money! no no. try reading again. it says they want stops in BOTH Hoboken and Secaucus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted November 27, 2013 Share #9 Posted November 27, 2013 no no. try reading again. it says they want stops in BOTH Hoboken and Secaucus.Still a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted November 27, 2013 Share #10 Posted November 27, 2013 I got nothing against Christie, great governor and great man, but man he shouldn't have shot down the ARC tunnel so we can SHUT THE F*CK UP about this crap already. It's a stupid idea. We could've expanded the capacity of NJT service into Manhattan and ended it at that, but nooo.... While I agree with most of this,the reason excuse is that he wanted NY and NJ to split costs 50-50 where the ARC plan had NJ putting up all 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 27, 2013 Share #11 Posted November 27, 2013 You also have to consider by having trains going to New Jersey, the subway would fall under FRA rules in that position. Meaning every existing rolling stock would have to be retrofitted to meet those requirements. This could also have fares increase too and lord knows by how much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 28, 2013 Share #12 Posted November 28, 2013 You also have to consider by having trains going to New Jersey, the subway would fall under FRA rules in that position. Meaning every existing rolling stock would have to be retrofitted to meet those requirements. This could also have fares increase too and lord knows by how much. Well, that's probably not true. It's not like R188s would be sharing track space with the Acela Express; this would be a separate operation. Still, it'd be a logistical nightmare whatwith signaling and the like, and there is no money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted November 28, 2013 Share #13 Posted November 28, 2013 You also have to consider by having trains going to New Jersey, the subway would fall under FRA rules in that position. Meaning every existing rolling stock would have to be retrofitted to meet those requirements. This could also have fares increase too and lord knows by how much. They'd have to build another yard put there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted November 28, 2013 Share #14 Posted November 28, 2013 They'd have to build another yard put there too. Yep, extra trains being needed and so forth. Lots of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 28, 2013 Share #15 Posted November 28, 2013 While I agree with most of this,the reason excuse is that he wanted NY and NJ to split costs 50-50 where the ARC plan had NJ putting up all 100% This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 28, 2013 Share #16 Posted November 28, 2013 Gateway is a better project than ARC, mostly because they would've needed to build yet another two tracks to accommodate HSR if ARC was done because ARC had no connections to the east. We really need four more tracks under the Hudson, not two more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted November 29, 2013 Share #17 Posted November 29, 2013 This Why do you think Ny would put the money into this project when it doesn't benefit them at all. It's just more NJ riders that prefer NYC subway instead of NJT OR PATH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 29, 2013 Share #18 Posted November 29, 2013 Why do you think Ny would put the money into this project when it doesn't benefit them at all. It's just more NJ riders that prefer NYC subway instead of NJT OR PATH The argument is that New York employers benefit from increased access to the New Jersey labor pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vistausss Posted November 29, 2013 Share #19 Posted November 29, 2013 @DJ MC: Not needed. Look at how SEPTA did it. It's separated and they continue to use their rolling stock, no retroffiting needed. If (MTA and NJT set it up the same way, the FRA won't say a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 30, 2013 Share #20 Posted November 30, 2013 The argument is that New York employers benefit from increased access to the New Jersey labor pool. Or vice versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted November 30, 2013 Share #21 Posted November 30, 2013 And they still can't find money for a 10 Avenue station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 30, 2013 Share #22 Posted November 30, 2013 Sure New Jersey. As long as you foot most of the bill. We will talk then.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted November 30, 2013 Share #23 Posted November 30, 2013 The argument is that New York employers benefit from increased access to the New Jersey labor pool. Or vice versa No doubt NJ would benefit more from this than NY'ers. What jobs are there in Hoboken or Secaucus anyway that aren't already in NYC? Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted November 30, 2013 Share #24 Posted November 30, 2013 No doubt NJ would benefit more from this than NY'ers. What jobs are there in Hoboken or Secaucus anyway that aren't already in NYC? Exactly. True. We don't really have much over there except Newark Liberty International Airport. Otherwise New Jersey is a just backwater wasteland..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted November 30, 2013 Share #25 Posted November 30, 2013 True. We don't really have much over there except Newark Liberty International Airport. Otherwise New Jersey is a just backwater wasteland..... I've known some professional doctors, dentists, postal workers, etc. to do the reverse commute that actually come to NY to work in NJ. Exactly how many others remains to be seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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