IntExp Posted April 19, 2014 Share #3751 Posted April 19, 2014 Why me? Why man? I always miss out the good stuff. Last week I miss the R32 in my own damn area because of the dreaded activity called going to work.... tomorrow, TOMC and R188's on the and I have to freaking go to work ... My Canon Rebel T3i DSLR just sitting there on my furniture ..... this sucks... I'mma miss them both because of something called getting sick smack on friday and the whole weekend. Still sick, I guess, third time in a row. Don't worry about it, TOMC got cancelled. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted April 19, 2014 Share #3752 Posted April 19, 2014 Guys there is NO TOMC TOMORROW!!!! Idk when they will use it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted April 19, 2014 Share #3753 Posted April 19, 2014 Rode 7821 today... They gotta re-align those things that surround the interior LED's of 7821. It was out of alignment and blocked part of the sign, still legible though. Overall, that set pretty much has minimal vandalism and is still good as new. On another note, while waiting for it at Court Square, 7833-7843 passed on the other side. I was sitting straight infront of 7839, with sharpie all over that stainless steal next to the windows. Breaks my heart that these a**holes feel like they can vandalize sh*t like it ain't worth anything. EDIT: Out of curiosity, what happened on the R32 ? And if the TOMC runs tomorrow, the best picture one will take - express R188 in the middle of TOMC and an R62A, all three in one. I saw that too! I was at Flushing and I was pissed. Sick of vandalism! I also saw dry brown graffiti on that set. > ugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellko Posted April 19, 2014 Share #3754 Posted April 19, 2014 They should also get recordings of "Ladies and gentlemen, this is the last downtown stop on this train. The next stop on this train will be Brooklyn Bridge on the uptown platform" since I seriously doubt the conductors would want to say that upon reaching the last stop and the MTA wants riders to know they can ride around the City Hall loop. I was recently on an R62A where the conductor specifically pointed out that you could ride around the loop to the uptown platform, and to stay within the cars as the train went through the loop. I've also been on R142A (6)s where the conductor keyed the mic in the middle of the "last downtown stop" message and started shouting "LAST STOP NO PASSENGERS THIS TRAIN IS OUT OF SERVICE", when the train was just going around the loop to the uptown track, in service. It's more about how the conductor's attitude is than what model of train you're riding, really. I hope the MTA orders all weekday afternoon R62A conductors to get recordings of "This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound 6 train making express stops in the Bronx" and play it every single stop in Manhattan. That way, I can still hear the one thing that puts on a smile on my face no matter how bad of a day I had. That message was pretty long, though. In my experience, it was sometimes to the point of having trains dwelling a long time in empty-ish local stations, or having conductors rush the computer to the doors-closing message. Generally, seeing the diamond on the front sign, or the map LEDs having the Bronx stations lit, or the next-train system showing instead of would probably be enough to determine whether it was gonna be Bronx local or express, so it's fine if the train says "This is a Bronx-bound 6 local train". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3755 Posted April 20, 2014 I was recently on an R62A where the conductor specifically pointed out that you could ride around the loop to the uptown platform, and to stay within the cars as the train went through the loop. I've also been on R142A (6)s where the conductor keyed the mic in the middle of the "last downtown stop" message and started shouting "LAST STOP NO PASSENGERS THIS TRAIN IS OUT OF SERVICE", when the train was just going around the loop to the uptown track, in service. It's more about how the conductor's attitude is than what model of train you're riding, really. That message was pretty long, though. In my experience, it was sometimes to the point of having trains dwelling a long time in empty-ish local stations, or having conductors rush the computer to the doors-closing message. Generally, seeing the diamond on the front sign, or the map LEDs having the Bronx stations lit, or the next-train system showing instead of would probably be enough to determine whether it was gonna be Bronx local or express, so it's fine if the train says "This is a Bronx-bound 6 local train". It only says "This is a Pelham Bay Park Bound.... Local Train. The next stop is," as the conductors are suppose to put "This is a Bronx bound...." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3756 Posted April 20, 2014 News on 7211 and its process? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3757 Posted April 20, 2014 News on 7211 and its process? It's been said several times that the set is getting CBTC retrofit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3758 Posted April 20, 2014 It's been said several times that the set is getting CBTC retrofit. Im well aware of that. I was just wondering if it was nearing completion or if it was being sent to another yard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3759 Posted April 20, 2014 It's unknown about when it's completion will be..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3760 Posted April 20, 2014 Word is the 188s teething problems are real... My info is from an A Division TO.. Trains have opened up on the wrong side... Uncoupled in service... And from the operational stand point they are injuring older TO's (wrist and hand injuries with the throttle) as they somewhat changed it from the 142/142a specs... A lot of older TO's aren't even trying to qualify on them and with the next pic coming up soon a lot of guys are jumping ship to the B Division just to avoid that altogether... Smh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3761 Posted April 20, 2014 Word is the 188s teething problems are real... My info is from an A Division TO.. Trains have opened up on the wrong side... Uncoupled in service... And from the operational stand point they are injuring older TO's (wrist and hand injuries with the throttle) as they somewhat changed it from the 142/142a specs... A lot of older TO's aren't even trying to qualify on them and with the next pic coming up soon a lot of guys are jumping ship to the B Division just to avoid that altogether... Smh Uncoupling and opening up on the wrong side is just plain scary especially considering how packed the gets at times. I hope Kawasaki can resolve those issues quickly before something goes wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3762 Posted April 20, 2014 Uncoupling and opening up on the wrong side is just plain scary especially considering how packed the gets at times. I hope Kawasaki can resolve those issues quickly before something goes wrong. I've heard it from a senior TO yesterday as we were discussing certain transit issues His exact words " a lot of the older guys want nothing to do with the 188 they are running from them " I told him myself to get out the A division in the next pick... If your trying to avoid anything NTT I was also informed on a few swaps that will happen soon... R62 will return to the 4... And those 142A's on the 4 will go to the 6... The 3 will be R62a again... So the 4 will have R62/142s and the 6 will have R62As/142A's 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3763 Posted April 20, 2014 Uncoupling while in service? Opening on the wrong side when in service...what the f**k? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtoon Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3764 Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) Well I'm assuming that could be related to this? Or is this the conversion set people are referring to ? If so... Must have been a reason for this: http://youtu.be/btxjNAGmt50 Edited April 20, 2014 by Tomtoon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3765 Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) I've heard it from a senior TO yesterday as we were discussing certain transit issues His exact words " a lot of the older guys want nothing to do with the 188 they are running from them " I told him myself to get out the A division in the next pick... If your trying to avoid anything NTT I was also informed on a few swaps that will happen soon... R62 will return to the 4... And those 142A's on the 4 will go to the 6... The 3 will be R62a again... So the 4 will have R62/142s and the 6 will have R62As/142A's Thats odd, why are some of the vets avoiding R188 training? Man the R188 has that many bugs in it? Even after Kawasaki's efforts to resolve the original problems with the first sets to roll out of the plant, then Pitkin? Edit: Oh I see now, no wonder... Word is the 188s teething problems are real... My info is from an A Division TO.. Trains have opened up on the wrong side... Uncoupled in service... And from the operational stand point they are injuring older TO's (wrist and hand injuries with the throttle) as they somewhat changed it from the 142/142a specs... A lot of older TO's aren't even trying to qualify on them and with the next pic coming up soon a lot of guys are jumping ship to the B Division just to avoid that altogether... Smh Well this is starting to sound worse then even the R44 fiasco in and its historical problems followed by the horrendous problems with the R46 in its intro in the late 1970's. Edited April 20, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3766 Posted April 20, 2014 So many sets that are in the yard and many of them are conversions and new sets. And uncoupling/wrong side? I saw a set that opened the wrong side at Junction Blvd. Is that a test train or could it be the prob? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3767 Posted April 20, 2014 (edited) So many sets that are in the yard and many of them are conversions and new sets. And uncoupling/wrong side? I saw a set that opened the wrong side at Junction Blvd. Is that a test train or could it be the prob? If it was vacant with signs posted indicating it is a test train with MTA prsonell and Kawasaki engineers present with computer equipment then yes thats a burn in test. But this sounds like whats described is a massive glitch where trains open on the wrong side and even being uncoupled due to mechanical problems in passenger service operation from the feedback other members have related from RTO personel. Oh boy, we just *might* see a lawsuit coming up with the MTA suing Kawasaki at this point even though it has not been revealed. Shits just got real. This explains alot as to why Bombardiar refused to even try taking up the R188 contract. Possibly, they really foresaw the possibilities for problems like this as we are seeing, cant rule this out even though the official statement is that they didnt find the contract to be profitable and didnt want to invest in facilities to complete the work. Edited April 20, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3768 Posted April 20, 2014 If it was vacant with signs posted indicating it is a test train with MTA prsonell and Kawasaki engineers present with computer equipment then yes thats a burn in test. But this sounds like whats described is a massive glitch where trains open on the wrong side and even being uncoupled due to mechanical problems in regular operation from the feedback other members have related from RTO personel. Oh boy, we just *might* see a lawsuit coming up with the MTA suing Kawasaki at this point even though it has not been revealed. Shits just got real. This explains alot as to why Bombardiar refused to even try taking up the R188 contract. They probably really foresaw the possibilities for problems like this, cant rule this out even though the official statement is that they didnt find the contract to be profitable and didnt want to invest in facilities to complete the work. Let's hope not but it didn't say TEST TRAIN Kawasaki so I guess so 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3769 Posted April 20, 2014 If it was vacant with signs posted indicating it is a test train with MTA prsonell and Kawasaki engineers present with computer equipment then yes thats a burn in test. But this sounds like whats described is a massive glitch where trains open on the wrong side and even being uncoupled due to mechanical problems in passenger service operation from the feedback other members have related from RTO personel. Oh boy, we just *might* see a lawsuit coming up with the MTA suing Kawasaki at this point even though it has not been revealed. Shits just got real. This explains alot as to why Bombardiar refused to even try taking up the R188 contract. Possibly, they really foresaw the possibilities for problems like this as we are seeing, cant rule this out even though the official statement is that they didnt find the contract to be profitable and didnt want to invest in facilities to complete the work. I'm trying to figure out how that could even happen. Why the hell does the door control even go through the computer if there will always be a T/O and C/R on the train for the forseeable future? The golden rule of engineering is to make everything as simple as possible. There should always be a manual override if a computer is in control and safety is an issue. Yes, they're designing it to be ATO-ready, but if ATO isn't always active, put in the overrides. You don't even need a computer system to run the doors on those things. Have a set of wires for each side and you're good. Couplers and other "yard only" functions should be in a different system altogether so crap like this can't happen randomly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted April 20, 2014 Share #3770 Posted April 20, 2014 From my understanding they are totally different from the 142A's even down to the throttle control and a lot of the older RTOs don't like that... But I definitely do see some lawsuits coming if they don't get these teething problems fixed ASAP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted April 21, 2014 Share #3771 Posted April 21, 2014 For some reason I am finding this very difficult to believe at all. Hmmmm. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted April 21, 2014 Share #3772 Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) Well I trust them. If this is what the T/Os they are aquainted with are saying this it might be true. Wrist injuries does happen on rolling stock. The Nanhattan Bridge for example puts alot of stress on the hands of the operators trying to keep up with the 25 GT timers on steep grades that can result in carpal tunnel syndrome over time. Edited April 21, 2014 by realizm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted April 21, 2014 Share #3773 Posted April 21, 2014 For some reason I am finding this very difficult to believe at all. Hmmmm. Same here. For one, the R188's problems are still extremely minor on the grand scale of MTA new car problems. For another, there's no reason for a such a big change of plans in terms of equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted April 21, 2014 Share #3774 Posted April 21, 2014 We need the transit workers input on this. RTOPRO where the heck are you? We got questions.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYtransit Posted April 21, 2014 Share #3775 Posted April 21, 2014 I know its a strong possibility the R142A converted set might get coupled with an R188 but it seems like if they do alot of more problems is gonna happen, Especially since this is the first time in history something like this happened. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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