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2 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Interestingly, the R188 cars sound just like the R142As

Because most of them are the exact same car.

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1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Because most of them are the exact same car.

I meant the newly built R188s, not the R188s that were formerly R142As. 

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4 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Interestingly, the R188 cars sound just like the R142As and R143s and though they went into service 15-16 years later. So you never know.

That’s because they all have Bombardier propulsion systems right ?

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16 minutes ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

I meant the newly built R188s, not the R188s that were formerly R142As. 

In that case, the newer R188 had to be compatible with the older ones so yeah they had to be nearly identical.

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On May 24, 2019 at 5:21 PM, BMTKateMeltonLine said:

Is the R262s are get the same sound like R142A & 143 on the L line?

I'm pretty sure that I read somewhere that the Bombardier MITRAC 1508C was discontinued...

I believe the only MITRAC systems Bombardier offers at the moment are the MITRAC TM1301SP IGBT-VVVF AC on the R179 and the MITRAC DR1000 on the London Underground 2009 stock and I believe also the S stock plus the version on the Aventras (which I don't know the model number for) 

4 hours ago, T to Dyre Avenue said:

Interestingly, the R188 cars sound just like the R142As and R143s and though they went into service 15-16 years later. So you never know.

Yeah they brought it back for the R188s rather than install a brand new propulsion system on the converts.

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It would be a maintenance nightmare to have R188s with two very different propulsions  (decades apart....)

Not the case for R262 vs R188/R142

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Since the remaining R142A's are going to get converted to CBTC, does that mean a new overhaul order will be awarded to Kawasaki or is it going to be done in house?

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That's not known yet. They haven't finalized the design yet, so it's a bit premature to determine how the conversion process will be completed.

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On 5/31/2019 at 9:55 AM, Lance said:

That's not known yet. They haven't finalized the design yet, so it's a bit premature to determine how the conversion process will be completed.

7 line is Thales CBTC wont be used ever again AFAIK by NYCT. L train's Siemens equipment supposedly will be used for rest of Div B and A so what a mainline IRT CBTC R142A is parts wise, is yet unknown. Thrown in LCD ad screens too. If the MTA is very adventurous (not), CCTV too.

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15 minutes ago, 78 via Stew Leonards said:

Which will be the first line to get the new trains? 

This is entirely speculation on my part but I say the (6) since Lex is the first mainline trunk for CBTC and the (4)(5) have NTTs already.

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1 minute ago, Around the Horn said:

This is entirely speculation on my part but I say the (6) since Lex is the first mainline trunk for CBTC and the (4)(5) have NTTs already.

sounds reasonable. The (6) always operated on its own in a way and not tied together with the (4)(5) in terms of fleet and TPH

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If so, hopefully Westchester Yard forces will treat their shiny new toys nicely this time. They didn’t seem to do that when they had the R142As.

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On 5/30/2019 at 2:18 PM, BMTKateMeltonLine said:

If the 262's can get on the (7) <7> line, yu gonna b shocked.

No reason for that, considering the R188s are more than enough and run fine on there.
 

On 5/30/2019 at 4:26 PM, Lawrence St said:

Since the remaining R142A's are going to get converted to CBTC, does that mean a new overhaul order will be awarded to Kawasaki or is it going to be done in house?

Not confirmed, but having the remaining R142As upgraded to R188 in a similar manner would make sense.  One of the reasons the conversion for R142/R142A was done at Kawasaki was because the conversion work was more extensive than originally thought.  Remember, the R142s and R142As don't have the space for CBTC (only one TOD screen, and no CBTC locker).  The R160s (and eventually R179s) can be converted in house by NYCT because the space and wiring for the equipment are already there.

A bigger question (which is still unknown) is who will convert the R142s?  Kawasaki won't have the resources to convert all those trains in the same time frame (with R211 and other projects at the same time), and are not familiar with the R142s at all, so that leaves Bombardier or CRRC as two possibilities.

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