Artics to the Q12, B38, Bx35 and other schedule changes

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

I'm compliling the list of bus schedule changes right now. The B54 reductions is actually worse than what it says in the first post. I have yet to review Manhattan, Queens, and Staten Island.

Edited August 31, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Calvin]

Notes (The Q12 was not updated yet but will be observed)

 

The B38:

Previously, the line has the total count of 40 buses total on the road. 3 Min headways during the rush hours on separate Ridgewood terminals. 2-4 mins between Bushwick to Downtown Brooklyn. 

On Saturdays, 13-15 min heawdways on seperate Ridgewood terminals, between Bushwick to Downtown Brooklyn, headways are 6 mins.

On Sundays, buses run a pattern of 5-10 mins between Bushwick and Downtoen Brooklyn. 

 

ARTICULATED: 

Both Ridgewood terminals will have 8 min headways until Bushwick to Downtown Brooklyn, 4 min headways. The total is  32 buses.: (-8)

On Saturdays, the route is 8-10 mins but Ridgewood terminals have 18-20 min headways instead (Sundays is the same as well). 

 

The Bx35

The rush hours has 4 min headways total of  22 buses.  During the afternoon hours, total goes to 14.  However, after Labor Day, the headways are 6 mins with the total of 14 (PM rush as well). During the middays, the headways are 10 with a total of 8 buses on the line. Overall, 7 buses were reduced. 

On weekends, headways are 10 minutes giving the max total of 8 buses. Compared to the new vs old schedule, the headways used to be 7 minutes, total of 12. On Sundays, headways are 12 minutes (Sundays remained the same).  

[Gotham Bus Co.]

First day of pick, BusTime shows all standard buses on Q12.

[Iron Valiant]

59 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

First day of pick, BusTime shows all standard buses on Q12.

Give it some time. Those are the last 40 foot trips before the articulated buses come out.

[Gotham Bus Co.]

30 minutes ago, Snorunts said:

Give it some time. Those are the last 40 foot trips before the articulated buses come out.

Actually, they're supposed to be the first 60-foot trips, because the pick took effect today.

[Future ENY OP]

41 minutes ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

Actually, they're supposed to be the first 60-foot trips, because the pick took effect today.

On the B38 side. Standards and artics are running today. 

[Gotham Bus Co.]

19 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

On the B38 side. Standards and artics are running today. 

 

It's basically a slick move by the union: Pick articulated runs to get the $2/hour premium, then refuse to drive the articulated buses.

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

3 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

First day of pick, BusTime shows all standard buses on Q12.

5996 was on the Q12 at 4 AM.

 

1 hour ago, Future ENY OP said:

On the B38 side. Standards and artics are running today. 

From what it looks like, the Seneca Ave buses are using the artics, while the Starr Ave buses are using the standards. The Bx35 at this point is fully artic.

[Nova Fly Guy]

44 minutes ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

5996 was on the Q12 at 4 AM.

 

From what it looks like, the Seneca Ave buses are using the artics, while the Starr Ave buses are using the standards. The Bx35 at this point is fully artic.

They’re on both sides 4770 was seen on Seneca av.

Edited September 1, 2019 by Nova Fly Guy

[jolusoji]

11 hours ago, BM5 via Woodhaven said:

The Bx35 at this point is fully artic.

Not really.Only one artic bus is running  which is 1058.The rest are standards at this time.

[MysteriousBtrain]

15 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

First day of pick, BusTime shows all standard buses on Q12.

 

14 hours ago, Snorunts said:

Give it some time. Those are the last 40 foot trips before the articulated buses come out.

Q12 was fully articulated by 5PM.

 

Sometimes I think people are more impatient than observant.

[Mpn4179]

15 hours ago, Gotham Bus Co. said:

First day of pick, BusTime shows all standard buses on Q12.

I just checked BusTime for the Q12 and it shows all Artic buses. 4730, 4736, and 4737 are currently running.

[Mpn4179]

41 minutes ago, jolusoji said:

Not really.Only one artic bus is running  which is 1058.The rest are standards at this time.

The B38 is running only one Artic bus as well which is 4755. The rest are standards.

[Jova42R]

B38: 1 artic (4755), rest are Orion VII NG and New Flyer Xcelsor XD40

Q12: All 47xx XD60s

Bx35: 1 artic (1058 - terminating soon), rest are C40LFs

[Jova42R]

18 hours ago, Jova42R said:

B38: 1 artic (4755), rest are Orion VII NG and New Flyer Xcelsor XD40

Q12: All 47xx XD60s

Bx35: 1 artic (1058 - terminating soon), rest are C40LFs

This is what the thinks "articulated routes" means:

: 1 standard (298), rest are XN60s and LFSAs

: mix of XD60, XD40, and NG

Q12: All 47xx XD60s

[MysteriousBtrain]

1 hour ago, Jova42R said:

This is what the thinks "articulated routes" means:

: 1 standard (298), rest are XN60s and LFSAs

: mix of XD60, XD40, and NG

Q12: All 47xx XD60s

GA does not have enough artics for full service. They need around 20 more.

[Iron Valiant]

1 hour ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

GA does not have enough artics for full service. They need around 20 more.

True. I think Grand Avenue will need a total of 35 to make B38 all artic.

[Jova42R]

2 hours ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

GA does not have enough artics for full service. They need around 20 more.

Oh. So then why did they start artic service on the early (before they had enough buses)?

Edited September 3, 2019 by Jova42R
Typo

[Calvin]

3 minutes ago, Jova42R said:

Oh. So then why did they start artic service on the early?

Besides new pick, there are extra articulateds to spare. So, they run them in-service instead of sitting at the depot with no route to operate on. 

[BM5 via Woodhaven]

1 hour ago, Calvin said:

Besides new pick, there are extra articulateds to spare. So, they run them in-service instead of sitting at the depot with no route to operate on. 

While that's true, they've done it up to this point before the pick begins, and then running the route with an all-artic fleet when the pick starts. Those artics should have been there by the start of the pick. It was just poorly coordinated, especially since standards are not gonna be able to handle some of those loads under the new headways. If it was decided to implement artics and reduce the headways, then the artics should have been there. 

I can already see a problem with standards during the rush hour on the B38. The service levels were reduced quite a bit, where some 50-50 split of artics and standards will create problems. It gets worse when you factor in the bunching on the route.

Edited September 3, 2019 by BM5 via Woodhaven

[Calvin]

With the B38 being articulated, there's a "No standing anytime" with a Tuesday/Friday street cleaning sign. IMO, some street signs may need to be adjusted as there is one car that's parked between the sign and there was a fire hydrant to the right on the left corner of the street. 

[EastFlatbushLarry]

On 9/2/2019 at 10:09 PM, Jova42R said:

Oh. So then why did they start artic service on the early (before they had enough buses)?

because they'd be dipping into their standard 40 foot spare factor by putting all 40 footers on the road until they get all the artics they need for full artic conversion on the 38. if (and when) a bus breaks down on any grand avenue line, and the only buses in the yard are artics, you've just shown as a general superintendent that you have no idea what you are doing. 

[FamousNYLover]

Here some Q12 Artic

Yesterday and today

 

Edited September 5, 2019 by FamousNYLover

[Calvin]

https://new.mta.info/sites/default/files/2019-09/q012cur.pdf

Seems that the Q12 Articulation service has the same headways during middays: 10 mins while nights is 15 mins

Rush hours: 8 mins from Little Neck to Flushing AM while PM is reverse direction. Sanford Av, 165 St short turns are cut as it used to be 5 mins during the rush (the route segment). 

Weekends remain as it, just different minute departures. 

 

Edited September 7, 2019 by Calvin

[Iron Valiant]

4522, 4565, 7827 on the B38. 🙂