Vistausss Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1226 Posted July 21, 2013 Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. ? But the was supposed to get the R211's, right? Or am I confusing the info I read? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1227 Posted July 21, 2013 The R179 order is supposed to retire the remaining R32s which primarily run on the . The R211 will supposedly retire the R46s which run on the and . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1228 Posted July 21, 2013 I'm still kinda disappointed that they went mostly 4-car sets, too. These things are going to be so inflexible with most of the B-Division, and it's going to keep the train short-length for the next 40 years. Suppose they want to extend the , or reroute it... Train length would definitely become an issue. Although, I did kind of relax a little when I thought about the being a helper line, and has only a few solo stops. That calmed me a little. It's only good for now, though, and not for change. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1229 Posted July 21, 2013 Come years later, the will be all NTT too once the R46s retire. In fact, it would make it easier for the and to swap cars if the latter of which becomes full length (to which it won't sadly....). Both 207th Street and Pitkin Avenue yards wouldn't care which NTT train type they would have to pull out of the barn and pressed into service at 207th Street on the express or 168th Street on the local S/B and Lefferts Boulevard/The Rockaways on the express or Euclid Avenue on the local during the daytime from 6:00 a.m. to midnight. At least with the NTTs, 207th Street and Pitkin Avenue yards would be good to go. I dunno how it worked out with the R32s and R38s back in the day. But IMO, this would be efficient had the make many of the R179s a 5-car order and the full length. The and can use either R179 or R211 and it wouldn't matter. Just like how the and share the same train but swap cars at their same southern terminal in Brooklyn due to flexibility and bring their crews in and out faster without having to waste time by changing rollsigns via an SMEE train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1230 Posted July 21, 2013 Still think it should've been the other way around with mostly 5-car units (so they could use them anywhere on the A division and not just the ) and some 4-car units for the / to retire the R42s. Running 600 foot trains on the C would have required 36 more cars, plus spares, to be added to the R179 order. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Culver Posted July 21, 2013 Share #1231 Posted July 21, 2013 Running 600 foot trains on the C would have required 36 more cars, plus spares, to be added to the R179 order. Yes, I realize that. And for the cost it would have greatly increased the flexibility of those R179s, rather than the current set-up where the is made 480-foot-long trains for the next 4 decades and no other lines can use the R179s other than the BMT eastern division lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelhamlocal Posted July 22, 2013 Share #1232 Posted July 22, 2013 so, just in general when do you think we'll get any more previews of these, or are they just going to be basically updated cbtc-equipped r160's with Bombardier propulsion? I already saw all they renders, but when do you think actual construction will start, because I heard the delievery of the first test train is said to be in December of next year, so yeah, what you guys think? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted July 22, 2013 Share #1233 Posted July 22, 2013 So construction should start a few months before delivery. They will be wired for CCTV and the cameras can be installed later. The renders also showed the displays the R143s had on the reverse side of the outside LEDs, though that could have been just for the render. The end of a generation, the R179. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted July 22, 2013 Share #1234 Posted July 22, 2013 so, just in general when do you think we'll get any more previews of these, or are they just going to be basically updated cbtc-equipped r160's with Bombardier propulsion? I already saw all they renders, but when do you think actual construction will start, because I heard the delievery of the first test train is said to be in December of next year, so yeah, what you guys think? Although the cars are being made by Bombardier, we won't know what kind motors the cars will get until we get more info. They could have Bombardier, Siemens, Alstom, or any type of motor desired. Note that the R142s made by Bombardier are powered by Alstom motors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted July 22, 2013 Share #1235 Posted July 22, 2013 Although the cars are being made by Bombardier, we won't know what kind motors the cars will get until we get more info. They could have Bombardier, Siemens, Alstom, or any type of motor desired. Note that the R142s made by Bombardier are powered by Alstom motors. The trains will have Bombardier's MITRAC propulsion, that's well documented already. The R142s have Alstom motors because Bombardier only started making traction motors after they acquired Adtranz, and the propulsion package was selected before Adtranz got bought out. The R142A/R143 propulsion was originally designed and built by Adtranz, it also was selected before Bombardier bought Adtranz. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted July 22, 2013 Share #1236 Posted July 22, 2013 Ahh, thanks for the update! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted July 23, 2013 Share #1237 Posted July 23, 2013 And frankly, the MITRAC is the most exciting part for me. Tired of hearing Alstom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32sdabest Posted July 23, 2013 Share #1238 Posted July 23, 2013 The MITRAC propulsion is the R142A propulsion, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 23, 2013 Share #1239 Posted July 23, 2013 The MITRAC propulsion is the R142A propulsion, right? yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted July 23, 2013 Share #1240 Posted July 23, 2013 R142A, R143, and R188 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted July 23, 2013 Share #1241 Posted July 23, 2013 The MITRAC propulsion is the R142A propulsion, right? Yes, but this order probably won't sound the same. Look up videos of the new CTA cars being built by Bombardier, we might be hearing propulsion similar to that. But, there is a chance it will be the same, obviously Bombardier has brought back the R142A motor for the R188 order so for common parts purposes the TA may request the R142A motors. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted July 26, 2013 Share #1242 Posted July 26, 2013 Yes, I realize that. And for the cost it would have greatly increased the flexibility of those R179s, rather than the current set-up where the is made 480-foot-long trains for the next 4 decades and no other lines can use the R179s other than the BMT eastern division lines. A lot of the recent ridership growth has been on the Eastern Division. Seems to me that flexibility is particularly important over there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted July 30, 2013 Share #1243 Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) Would the R179s be able to be in sets with R143s and R160s. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Edited July 30, 2013 by Union Tpke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted July 30, 2013 Share #1244 Posted July 30, 2013 Would the R179s be able to be in sets with R143s and R160s. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk Only time will tell. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewJC Posted July 31, 2013 Share #1245 Posted July 31, 2013 Would the R179s be able to be in sets with R143s and R160s. Sent from my iPod touch using Tapatalk No, although the three car classes all look very similar, they are quite different under the hood and are not compatible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted July 31, 2013 Share #1246 Posted July 31, 2013 You guys also need to rerember 1 thing,207Th shops can't fit a full 10 car train in its inspection barn so thats another reason why the C is 8 cars, it can fit 10 IRT trains 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted August 18, 2013 Share #1247 Posted August 18, 2013 This is my idea of the R179 lol. I'm aware that it won't actually be designed like this but think of these as silly pointers that I feel it should look like. Like access to siri on the T/O control panel. I know no in hell is that happening unless the MTA gives apple some $$ on the side. Also more detailed time display showing the date and tempature as well as the time , destination & next stop. More detailed side LED destination signs to save some letter puching in the codes like how they came up more details on the side LED when the 2007 Orion VIIs came out. And last but not least , bring the orignail bullets back with a LED touchscreen route bullet that can accessed in the T/O A cabs. Unlike the route bullets on the R42 , R46 , R68 , ect they can tap the area once and it'll pull up a screen of routes they can set a bullet for. Plus they can do a quick double tap to make it say "Not in service" or "Special" or to just turn off the route bullet completely. This feature makes the train more attractive & it's eaiser seeing what train it is before it completely pulls into the station. Unlike the Red LED route display on all the new techs so far which are boring because the color is red for all the routes and it's hard to tell what train it is before it pulls in. but once again this a amateur design I do not expect this to happen just tell me what you think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 18, 2013 Share #1248 Posted August 18, 2013 A more realistic solution is to go the CTA route and have a double line end car display that has date and time static at the bottom line and flips through route and next stop info on the top line.An example: to Court Street Aug 18. 1:41 pm Also have a multi color led that can show the bullet on the front and the side sign idea of yours is a good idea 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E For Erica Posted August 18, 2013 Share #1249 Posted August 18, 2013 A more realistic solution is to go the CTA route and have a double line end car display that has date and time static at the bottom line and flips through route and next stop info on the top line.An example: to Court Street Aug 18. 1:41 pm Also have a multi color led that can show the bullet on the front and the side sign idea of yours is a good idea Thanks. I thought of that idea because I live by the E so taking those R160s after a while is boring. there good cars don't get me wrong I love how the T/Os on the drive them so fast & the sound they make rushing into my home station. But T/Os always go OD fast with their trains I guess that's why everybody loved R32s on that line & why I think of it as the flip side of the sometimes. Anyway I miss seeing route bullets on trains now and I feel like showing the bullet would make the train more efficent so yeah lol plus I kinda wanna see some R46s back on the but the only queens blvd exp that can run old train without complaints is the so yeah lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttcsubwayfan Posted August 18, 2013 Share #1250 Posted August 18, 2013 I feel like showing the bullet would make the train more efficent What the hell does a route bullet have to do with train efficiency? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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