realizm Posted August 15, 2013 Share #3751 Posted August 15, 2013 lol... What I always thought was funny was when some article came out about how dirty the poles are the quickly came out with some statement to rebut that saying that it simply wasn't true to try and calm fears. lol The CDC also made similar idiotic statements concerning the swine flu epidemic. Masks does help to protect the respiratory system and at least slow down the viral count. A friend of mine from my previous years caught it and she got so sick she had severe diarrhea and even started projectile vomiting at one point because of H1N1. It wasn't pretty to watch and I had to come over and keep on giving her Gatorade, she was becoming dehydrated. At one point she was crying hysterically from abdominal pain and wanted to get in the emergency room but the gastrointestinal symptoms subsided and the respiratory symptoms set it which was mild as compared to the other symptoms. She even lost 6 pounds. She fully recovered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted August 15, 2013 Share #3752 Posted August 15, 2013 They've been relaying at JFK Aiport since the line was fully restored last May. The switches the shuttle usually uses are still out of commission. Why is it taking so long for them to get back in service? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 15, 2013 Share #3753 Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) Why is it taking so long for them to get back in service? The Tower near Broad Channel has to be restored first. That's another reason why the IND shuttle is presently relaying at Howard Beach. Edited August 15, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted August 15, 2013 Share #3754 Posted August 15, 2013 (edited) So the is going express from Queens Plaza to 71. Why can't it go to 179 this weekend? So stupid on the (MTA)'s part.It's only going express northbound, shaving 8 minutes from its trip. To go to 179 would add 24 minutes round trip. I'm not sure how to do the math on this to figure out how many extra trains would be needed, but I think at least 3 extra trains and 3 extra crews would be needed to make a service change that I don't really see the benefit of. Just saying. What they really need to do is supplement the Southbound , since the loads on those trains are effectively doubled, carrying all the queensbound passengers for intermediate stops as well as manhattanbound passengers. Well above weekend loading guidelines every time. Edited August 15, 2013 by itmaybeokay 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvega961 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3755 Posted August 16, 2013 Is it me or are the R160 slowly getting pulled off the . I take the every morning to work, usually get a 160, but all i see going the other way are R32's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3756 Posted August 16, 2013 It's only going express northbound, shaving 8 minutes from its trip. To go to 179 would add 24 minutes round trip. I'm not sure how to do the math on this to figure out how many extra trains would be needed, but I think at least 3 extra trains and 3 extra crews would be needed to make a service change that I don't really see the benefit of. Just saying. What they really need to do is supplement the Southbound , since the loads on those trains are effectively doubled, carrying all the queensbound passengers for intermediate stops as well as manhattanbound passengers. Well above weekend loading guidelines every time. I know you're just saying. When they did it in the past, it was to not hold up the and on the express track. Plus it's over the bridge in both directions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridgeviewer382 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3757 Posted August 16, 2013 Is it me or are the R160 slowly getting pulled off the . I take the every morning to work, usually get a 160, but all i see going the other way are R32's. Patterns are always different. Motormen don't always get the same equipment everyday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3758 Posted August 16, 2013 So the is going express from Queens Plaza to 71. Why can't it go to 179 this weekend? So stupid on the (MTA)'s part. I know you're just saying. When they did it in the past, it was to not hold up the and on the express track. Plus it's over the bridge in both directions. There's no need for the R to be extended to 179 St. R trains were sent to 179 St when track work knocked out the relay tracks after 71 Av. Plus, with the northbound local track out of service between Queens Plaza and Parsons/Hillside, the R would be in the way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvega961 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3759 Posted August 16, 2013 Patterns are always different. Motormen don't always get the same equipment everyday. I know that... Even different days is the same thing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulrivera Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3760 Posted August 16, 2013 What they really need to do is supplement the Southbound , since the loads on those trains are effectively doubled, carrying all the queensbound passengers for intermediate stops as well as manhattanbound passengers. Well above weekend loading guidelines every time. This is where that "125% of a seated load" BS comes to bite the passenger. Easily ends up going as high as 250% in a worse case scenario which is over 50 standees per car according to my math. You would think being towards the end of the line not many people would be left on the train... How does Woodhaven ridership look this time of year during the weekends? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3761 Posted August 16, 2013 The website says that Central Avenue will reopen today at 4 p.m. this afternoon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3762 Posted August 16, 2013 This is where that "125% of a seated load" BS comes to bite the passenger. Easily ends up going as high as 250% in a worse case scenario which is over 50 standees per car according to my math. You would think being towards the end of the line not many people would be left on the train... How does Woodhaven ridership look this time of year during the weekends? Being towards the end of the line or not, on weekends there are 10 generally busy stations along queens blvd for which the R is the only service. Collectively, in 2012, they saw 139,000 weekend riders. For comparison, Union Square, served by 7 lines, sees 140,000 weekend riders. Lets have fun with that number and play with some really fuzzy math, which I know is statistically irrelevant: So, we'll say for the sake of discussion that there are an insignificant number of riders to these stops when the E is running local, which means we'll focus on the 17.5 hours when the R is in service. We'll round down to 16 to account for the assumably low ridership before 7 am. On a saturday, after 7am, 95 R trains run until the line shutters for the night. So lets talk about all those riders. Saturday ridership was, on the whole, 127% of sunday ridership in 2012 systemwide. So of those 139000 riders, about 88000 are on saturday. Here we go then: 88000/95=926.3 Passengers per average weekend R train in queens 926/8=115.75 passengers per R46 train car, weekend, queens. R46 holds 70 seated passengers in an A car, 76 in a B car. A Cars 115/70= 164% of seated load. B Cars 116/76= 152% of seated load. Now, we assume that these ridership figures are from metrocard data, and only account for one direction of travel. Since one direction of the R, when the other direction is going express, has to carry ALL the local traffic, lets double those figures. I won't even do the math. They get ugly. They were already ugly. Of course some people will take an express train at roosevelt and ease the line a bit, however, these ridership figures DO NOT INCLUDE the express stops. The passengers boarding the train at roosevelt will most likely match the passengers disembarking. The , on weekends in queens, is pitiful - and when they do a service change like this, it's a real nightmare. Honestly, when montague reopens, the line should get the next full line review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyer 230 Posted August 16, 2013 Share #3763 Posted August 16, 2013 Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j express Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3764 Posted August 17, 2013 I saw jamaica R160's on the recently. Can anyone tell me the reason for this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3765 Posted August 17, 2013 yesterday 8401-8404 was on the now its back on the , whats up with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lance Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3766 Posted August 17, 2013 Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from. Right now, the plan is for the 46s to stay where they are. The 44SI will receive another SMS to keep them running. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3767 Posted August 17, 2013 Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from. There's something called keep some R32s around to full the void of lost R46 cars Right now, the plan is for the 46s to stay where they are. The 44SI will receive another SMS to keep them running. Trust me I rode those R44s in SI 2 days ago and I honestly think they can't handle another SMS, they're bodies are shot and they rumble very hard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3768 Posted August 17, 2013 I saw jamaica R160's on the recently. Can anyone tell me the reason for this?Saw 95xx and 98xx cars on the or (can't remember lol) earlier. Makes me wonder if CI cars are on the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtattrain Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3769 Posted August 17, 2013 Saw 95xx and 98xx cars on the or (can't remember lol) earlier. Makes me wonder if CI cars are on the . There are CI R160s on the ; I saw 9172-ish once lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3770 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from. Getting rid of the (except late night) means splitting the up into 3 branches all day. Lefferts NIMBYs would put up with reduced service in order to keep their express though. Howard Beach [JFK] and the Casino however would get increased service. Edited August 17, 2013 by GreatOne2k 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3771 Posted August 17, 2013 (edited) Getting rid of the (except late night) means splitting the up into 3 branches all day. Lefferts NIMBYs would put up with reduced service in order to keep their express though. Howard Beach [JFK] and the Casino however would get increased service. Meaning Lefferts get much lesser service.....Certainly not. That's one of the many reasons why there will be no R46s going to SIR to retire the remaining R44s....And the can't run any lesser than 15-20 minute headways between Rockaway Boulevard and Lefferts Boulevard or Far Rockaway. Anybody who wants Rockaway Park can change to the IND shuttle at Broad Channel. Period. Edited August 17, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3772 Posted August 17, 2013 yesterday 8401-8404 was on the now its back on the , whats up with that? R160s always get sent to the for maintenance at ENY , it will be back on the ether that or it got swapped for another R160. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q90 Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3773 Posted August 17, 2013 I don't know if this has been discussed before but just today I just read about an architect that proposed an extension to United Station through Hudson Yards, Penn Station, Herald Square, and Grand Central. I personally agree with the part about Penn Station being linked to Grand Central and it looks like a good idea however my only concern is that the is extremely crowded and this extension will cause even more crowding and the has a shortage of trains as well. Read the article here for more information about the routing: http://gothamist.com/2012/01/20/architect_wants_to_extend_l_train_t.php 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3774 Posted August 17, 2013 Speaking of R46's if the SIR gets some R46's where are they going to come from? IMO a line has to be cut or changed in order for the SIR to have R46's. The the and run R46's and the line comes to mind is the Rockaway Park. If the gets eliminated for now they can take those R46's. I don't know where the other R46's would come from. What good would come from cutting the S? Aside from the summer weekends, they run 3 4-car trains. You can also forget about cutting the F and R services as those probably need all the trains they can run. The only thing I could see is maybe the A taking some of the extra spare R32s, but even that might be too much for the R32s handle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted August 17, 2013 Share #3775 Posted August 17, 2013 @Q90 It is an unusual route but and this is a big but if it gets contructed it should go to grand central only 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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