Around the Horn Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3201 Posted December 27, 2016 G.O. That still doesn't change anything about the lack of proper train signage for this operation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3202 Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) I have known about some documents related to the planning of the Second Avenue Subway. I had forgotten to post them. This is the December 1998 Manhattan East Side Transit Alternatives Study. It includes the Second Avenue Subway, an alternative with light rail on the Lower East Side and bus lanes on Second Avenue. The SAS was not planned to be full length. It was planned to be an extension of the Broadway Line to 125th Street. To have service from the UES get to Lower Manhattan, there would have been the Canal Street Flip. This would have provided a direct connection between the express tracks and Lower Manhattan, and a connection between the local tracks and the Manhattan Bridge. This part of construction was deemed unnecessary once it was decided to have a full length SAS. The light rail line would have used the unused trackage between Canal Street and Chambers Street. For more details look inside. Later, I will be posting a document from 1972. Enjoy! Edited December 27, 2016 by Union Tpke 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmallParkShuttle Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3203 Posted December 27, 2016 Non-revenue test trains began running up the line this morning: Dude, they should've at least performed some dust remediation before beginning full revenue testing. That's a fair amount of dust getting kicked up by the trains. That third rail shoe is arcing like crazy from it. Sent from my Moto G using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayParkwayW Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3204 Posted December 27, 2016 Dude, they should've at least performed some dust remediation before beginning full revenue testing. That's a fair amount of dust getting kicked up by the trains. That third rail shoe is arcing like crazy from it. Sent from my Moto G using Tapatalk Hopefully some remediation happens after it opens on January 1st. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3205 Posted December 27, 2016 Here are some tables showing the proposed service pattern. Yes, you are reading it right. Originally, the R was going to go up Second Avenue. image by spicker613, on Flickr image-1 by spicker613, on Flickr image-2 by spicker613, on Flickr image-3 by spicker613, on Flickr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3206 Posted December 27, 2016 to 2nd Av? With its massive inconsistencies and slow speeds, that would've been horrible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3207 Posted December 27, 2016 to 2nd Av? With its massive inconsistencies and slow speeds, that would've been horrible. It's not too bad. Just south of City Hall is slow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3208 Posted December 27, 2016 Do you think the first revenue train up 2nd Ave will be packed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3209 Posted December 27, 2016 Do you think the first revenue train up 2nd Ave will be packed?lol is that even a question? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3210 Posted December 27, 2016 Do you think the first revenue train up 2nd Ave will be packed? The was pretty packed on the first trip to Hudson Yards. I'd love to go to Coney to get a guaranteed seat on the first train, but I'm not exactly a morning person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracamonte Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3211 Posted December 27, 2016 So just to be clear, revenue service starts on January 1st right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted December 27, 2016 Share #3212 Posted December 27, 2016 (edited) So just to be clear, revenue service starts on January 1st right? Yes Jan 1 at Noon Edited December 27, 2016 by Mtatransit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3213 Posted December 28, 2016 Do you think the first revenue train up 2nd Ave will be packed? The first car certainty will be, IDK why railfans bunch up in the first car on a train that doesn't have an RFW. I'll bet the rear cars of the first revenue train will be empty, that was the case with the first Hudson Yards revenue train. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3214 Posted December 28, 2016 The was pretty packed on the first trip to Hudson Yards. I'd love to go to Coney to get a guaranteed seat on the first train, but I'm not exactly a morning person. lol the train leaves Coney @ 10:55a. That's hardly early morning at that point. Then again, it IS a Sunday, soooo.... *shrugs* 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3215 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) lol the train leaves Coney @ 10:55a. That's hardly early morning at that point. Then again, it IS a Sunday, soooo.... *shrugs* But then not everyone lives in Coney Island Edited December 28, 2016 by Mtatransit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train92 Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3216 Posted December 28, 2016 But the trip isn't on the new schedules so... special train? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #3217 Posted December 28, 2016 lol the train leaves Coney @ 10:55a. That's hardly early morning at that point. Then again, it IS a Sunday, soooo.... *shrugs* Excellent. I will be on that train as soon as it pulls into the platform. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3218 Posted December 28, 2016 But then not everyone lives in Coney IslandThis. Plus I'm not so good at sleeping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3219 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Here are some tables showing the proposed service pattern. Yes, you are reading it right. Originally, the R was going to go up Second Avenue. <pics removed> to 2nd Av? With its massive inconsistencies and slow speeds, that would've been horrible. That's not surprising given the overall plan they had in place. The would've been the Broadway express under the Canal flip proposal, which would've in theory, sped up the line as opposed to having the local run up 2nd Avenue. Also remember, back in the '90s, it was assumed the would remain on 6th Avenue after the Manhattan Bridge work, which is why the proposal illustrated here called for an extension of the from its then-present terminal of 21 St-Queensbridge to 179 Street via the then-under construction 63rd Street Connector. In other news, the schedule for the extended is now available on the MTA's site. Shall we play another rendition of "spot the errors"? Edited December 28, 2016 by Lance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayParkwayW Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3220 Posted December 28, 2016 That's not surprising given the overall plan they had in place. The would've been the Broadway express under the Canal flip proposal, which would've in theory, sped up the line as opposed to having the local run up 2nd Avenue. Also remember, back in the '90s, it was assumed the would remain on 6th Avenue after the Manhattan Bridge work, which is why the proposal illustrated here called for an extension of the from its then-present terminal of 21 St-Queensbridge to 179 Street via the then-under construction 63rd Street Connector. In other news, the schedule for the extended is now available on the MTA's site. Is it just me, but didn't they forget to put the ADA-accessible symbol for the three stations on the second avenue ? schedule: http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tqcur.pdf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3221 Posted December 28, 2016 (edited) Is it just me, but didn't they forget to put the ADA-accessible symbol for the three stations on the second avenue ? schedule: http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/pdf/tqcur.pdf Huh, you're right. How did they forget something so simple? I mean, really? Edited December 28, 2016 by Mysterious2train 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3222 Posted December 28, 2016 Huh, you're right. How did they forget something so simple? I mean, really? Perhaps the elevator testing ain't done yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3223 Posted December 28, 2016 You joke, but that would not surprise me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3224 Posted December 28, 2016 Pardon my terrible screen cap abilities, but here is the Sunday times between 10:30 and 11 for those interested... And could you make the blurb any wordier? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted December 28, 2016 Share #3225 Posted December 28, 2016 I guess whoever wrote this was instructed to make the route as detailed as possible as it pertains to the new 2nd Avenue line. It is incredibly verbose when compared to other lines with similar service patterns though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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