Bill from Maspeth Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3901 Posted December 15, 2017 8 hours ago, T J Trainman said: Why not run 6 car R-46s for the C? the G did that years ago before they cut it permanently to 4 cars. A 6 car R46 @ 450' is shorter in length than an 8 car R32/160 @ 480'. Plus there wouldn't be enough 2 car mated R46's to equipment the C with enough cars for service + yard/ shop spares. The goal of MTA is to lengthen, not reduce, C train lengths so IDK what your purpose is. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3902 Posted December 15, 2017 The gets good ridership, the full length trains are justified. During the PM Rush from the city going into BK those trains be packed like sardines, sit at Grand or Broadway Lafayette S/B platform during the PM rush and observe the trains, those trains are even more crowded than the trains going into BK during the rush. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3903 Posted December 15, 2017 24 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: I understand that very well...But what im saying is if the can use 8 car trains on 4 trunk lines why cant trains... Ride a train in rush hour. That will answer your question. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3904 Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: The gets good ridership, the full length trains are justified. During the PM Rush from the city going into BK those trains be packed like sardines, sit at Grand or Broadway Lafayette S/B platform during the PM rush and observe the trains, those trains are even more crowded than the trains going into BK during the rush. 2 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Ride a train in rush hour. That will answer your question. Question for both of y'all...If ridership on the is that high...Why operate it on wkdays only??? Im well aware the ridership is good on wkdays??? i mean look where it serves 6 av the bronx,bklyn....Its funny how when there was a debate on trains running wkends..There's not enough ridership,to many wkend go's etc...But when its time for a car swap the ridership it too high..Go figure 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3905 Posted December 15, 2017 1 minute ago, biGC323232 said: Question for both of y'all...If ridership on the is that high...Why operate it on wkdays only??? Im well aware the ridership is good on wkdays??? i mean look where it serves 6 av the bronx,bklyn....Its funny how when there was a debate on trains running wkends..There's not enough ridership,to many wkend go's etc...But when its time for a car swap the ridership it too high..Go figure Because ridership on Weekdays is different than ridership on weekends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3906 Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: Question for both of y'all...If ridership on the is that high...Why operate it on wkdays only??? Im well aware the ridership is good on wkdays??? i mean look where it serves 6 av the bronx,bklyn....Its funny how when there was a debate on trains running wkends..There's not enough ridership,to many wkend go's etc...But when its time for a car swap the ridership it too high..Go figure Weekdays and weekends are two completely different animals... I also don't see you advocating for 8 car trains even though it also doesn't run weekends... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysteriousBtrain Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3907 Posted December 15, 2017 2 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: Question for both of y'all...If ridership on the is that high...Why operate it on wkdays only??? Im well aware the ridership is good on wkdays??? i mean look where it serves 6 av the bronx,bklyn....Its funny how when there was a debate on trains running wkends..There's not enough ridership,to many wkend go's etc...But when its time for a car swap the ridership it too high..Go figure There's a big difference between weekend ridership and weekday ridership. Plus add the amount of construction present on weekends. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel The Cool Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3908 Posted December 15, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Weekdays and weekends are two completely different animals... I also don't see you advocating for 8 car trains even though it also doesn't run weekends... Well someone did advocated for that last year. Edited December 15, 2017 by Daniel The Cool 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3909 Posted December 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, Daniel The Cool said: Because ridership on Weekdays is different than ridership on weekends. 4 minutes ago, MysteriousBtrain said: There's a big difference between weekend ridership and weekday ridership. Plus add the amount of construction present on weekends. 5 minutes ago, Around the Horn said: Weekdays and weekends are two completely different animals... I also don't see you advocating for 8 car trains even though it also doesn't run weekends... It doesnt take a rocket science to know that there's less ppl using the subway on wkends...I get all of that...So whats yall suggestion on how the can become full length???..Cause apparently they trying to go thru with this plan..And all these new r179's are mostly 8 cars...So whos giving up there full lengths for the ???? I dont see how they can?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3910 Posted December 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, biGC323232 said: Question for both of y'all...If ridership on the is that high...Why operate it on wkdays only??? Im well aware the ridership is good on wkdays??? i mean look where it serves 6 av the bronx,bklyn....Its funny how when there was a debate on trains running wkends..There's not enough ridership,to many wkend go's etc...But when its time for a car swap the ridership it too high..Go figure Think of who's taking the B train. They don't need it on the weekends anywhere near as much. It's Brooklyn-Manhattan commuters most of the time, people heading to jobs in Chinatown, Midtown, the Upper West Side, and Harlem. There's a reason it runs local on CPW, and why it turns at 145th most of the day. It's a commuter train, packed about 7-10am and 4-8pm on weekdays, but lower ridership the rest of the time. It's like express service, which is needed during the AM and PM rush, but not during the rest of the day, and definitely not on weekends. -- Still gonna be skeptical of this swap in motion. The fan in me is thrilled to have 32s on the , but the mixed-length consists is gonna confuse people on the TA side and the customer side... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3911 Posted December 15, 2017 Just now, biGC323232 said: So whats yall suggestion on how the can become full length???..Cause apparently they trying to go thru with this plan..And all these new r179's are mostly 8 cars...So whos giving up there full lengths for the ???? I dont see how they can?? Frankly, I wouldn't be doing it at all... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3912 Posted December 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, MHV9218 said: Think of who's taking the B train. They don't need it on the weekends anywhere near as much. It's Brooklyn-Manhattan commuters most of the time, people heading to jobs in Chinatown, Midtown, the Upper West Side, and Harlem. There's a reason it runs local on CPW, and why it turns at 145th most of the day. It's a commuter train, packed about 7-10am and 4-8pm on weekdays, but lower ridership the rest of the time. It's like express service, which is needed during the AM and PM rush, but not during the rest of the day, and definitely not on weekends. -- Still gonna be skeptical of this swap in motion. The fan in me is thrilled to have 32s on the , but the mixed-length consists is gonna confuse people on the TA side and the customer side... I get what yall saying about the wkend vs wkday.I agree totally.. my point is in order to keep this confusing down train needs to be full length thats why i suggested someone have to give up full length cars...I just dont see any other yard being able to give there full length cars other than coney island...Just my opinion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3913 Posted December 15, 2017 The answer is probably: Many 8 car sets go to the G, some go to Eastern division increases. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3914 Posted December 15, 2017 Another thought is that if they're willing to reconfigure sets (11-car R160 set with an additional B car in testing on the F the other day), they could build up 10-car sets from the R160s. The marriages are Catholic, but I guess they're all Protestant when it comes down to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3915 Posted December 15, 2017 All this speculation, but I really think the best idea is to transfer all the R32’s to CI for the in exchange for the R68A’s for either / the R160’s can go back onto the and then the and can be all R46/R68A’s while the line has majority of the R32’s until the R211’s arrive. Side note; if the is still planned to get the 4 sets of R179’s then 207st can transfer 4 sets of the R68A’s back to CI. Either that or the gets ALL 222 R32’s or the in 10-car consists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3916 Posted December 15, 2017 1 hour ago, MHV9218 said: Another thought is that if they're willing to reconfigure sets (11-car R160 set with an additional B car in testing on the F the other day), they could build up 10-car sets from the R160s. The marriages are Catholic, but I guess they're all Protestant when it comes down to it. What? An eleven-car set? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3917 Posted December 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Union Tpke said: What? An eleven-car set? "The other day" was completely wrong, I confused a story. But, the MTA did consider doing this in trials a little while back--not sure whatever happened to it: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-transit-tests-11-car-train-means-alleviating-f-line-overcrowding-article-1.361516 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 15, 2017 Share #3918 Posted December 15, 2017 28 minutes ago, D to 96 St said: Does anyone know SPECIFICALLY when it's happening? Could you possibly say WHICH weekends or least one of which it's happening on? I believe the plan is for it to start in a few hours. Full conversion to full length trains will require more R179s in service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3919 Posted December 16, 2017 34 minutes ago, D to 96 St said: Does anyone know SPECIFICALLY when it's happening? Could you possibly say WHICH weekends or least one of which it's happening on? This weekend 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3920 Posted December 16, 2017 4 hours ago, MHV9218 said: "The other day" was completely wrong, I confused a story. But, the MTA did consider doing this in trials a little while back--not sure whatever happened to it: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-transit-tests-11-car-train-means-alleviating-f-line-overcrowding-article-1.361516 Wow..I wonder why the didn't stay with that.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3921 Posted December 16, 2017 2 hours ago, biGC323232 said: Wow..I wonder why the didn't stay with that.... Right now the car sizing on the B division allows pretty standard car set sizes. Can the R160s even run in configurations like these? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3922 Posted December 16, 2017 R160s can be configured 5-6 if needed. There is no line which could handle 11 car trains, so such is moot, at least for the near-middle term future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3923 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) Off topic just a question. How long did it take the TA to extend IRT platforms from 6/7 cars to 10 cars? 10 years? Edited December 16, 2017 by RailRunRob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3924 Posted December 16, 2017 Almost 60 years. Short extensions started almost after the subway opened. There was a big extension program in the 1930s, followed by one in the 1950s which ended in 1962. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailRunRob Posted December 16, 2017 Share #3925 Posted December 16, 2017 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said: Almost 60 years. Short extensions started almost after the subway opened. There was a big extension program in the 1930s, followed by one in the 1950s which ended in 1962. Gotcha. Right, I do remember seeing 10 car train signs on trains in older pictures pre 1930. Edited December 16, 2017 by RailRunRob 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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