Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Bill from Maspeth]

1 hour ago, LGA Link N train said:

I agree, I just wanted to share that outto make sure that my sources were correct 

The bottom line is that we will know if the reliable sources are correct when the official assignments come out on official transit letterhead, irregardless that a certain reliable source works for transit. Does he sign the memo?  Does he make the ultimate decision?  Does he work for car equipment, the department that has the most "pull" in this decision?  We will see who is correct: if he is with the R32's going to the A/B/G or me saying the B/G are not good lines for the cars to be used on.  As far as I know not all 222 R32's are being kept for the Canarsie tube shutdown, so whatever is left over could be scattered around for a trip or 2 in each rush hour on various lines.

 

[Calvin]

Back-track from now, Nov. 5 and Sept. 2:

 

207 St 

R32: 3354-3355, 3360-3361, 3380-3381, 3384-3385, 3388-3389, 3394-3395, 3400-3401, 3404-3405, 3414-3417, 3424-3429, 3432-3433, 3436-3441, 3446-3447, 3452-3453, 3460-3461, 3472-3473, 3484-3485, 3496-3497, 3512-3513, 3518-3519, 3522-3523, 3586-3587, 3590-3591, 3606-3607, 3610-3611, 3618-3619, 3624-3625, 3660-3661, 3688-3689, 3728-3729, 3732-3733, 3738-3739, 3782-3783, 3792-3793, 3804-3807, 3820-3823, 3834-3835, 3840-3841, 3864-3865, 3872-3873, 3876-3879,  3548:3593, 3658:3471, 3419:3740 - 104 cars

R160A: 8577-8652, 9943-9974 - 108 cars (13 8-car trains)

 

ENY

R32: 3376-3377, 3396-3397, 3406-3407, 3410-3411, 3430-3431, 3442-3443, 3448-3449, 3454-3455, 3476-3477, 3488-3489, 3500-3501, 3514-3515, 3550-3551, 3574-3575, 3578-3579, 3614-3615, 3646-3647, 3654-3655, 3664-3665, 3670-3673, 3682-3683, 3698-3699, 3706-3709, 3714-3719, 3726-3727, 3730-3731, 3736-3737, 3770-3775, 3778-3781, 3798-3799, 3810-3811, 3818-3819, 3828-3829, 3856-3857, 3870-3871, 3886-3889, 3894-3897, 3900-3901, 3912-3913, 3924-3925, 3928-3929, 3932-3933, 3938-3939  3383:3890, 3621:3644, 3444:3468, 3445:3777, 3628:3669, 3650:3767, 3520:3891: 116 cars (14 8-car trains)

R42: 4790-4799, 4806-4813, 4824-4827, 4830-4833, (26 cars total: 3 8-car trains)

*4788-4789, 4800-4805, 4814-4817, 4820-4823, 4828-4829, 4834-4839: 24 cars = 4 6-car trains in use for the Shuttle 

R143: 8101-8276, 8281-8312

R160A: 8313-8376 (CBTC equipped and 8325-8328/8337-8340 sports the Cuomo wrap), 8377-8576

*R179: 3058-3065 

Edited November 25, 2017 by Calvin

[VIP]

Coney Island was the first yard to ever get R32’s which yard followed after? 

[Eric B]

Probably Concourse, since they spread to the  upon the Chrystie St. merger. 

[VIP]

13 hours ago, Eric B said:

Probably Concourse, since they spread to the  upon the Chrystie St. merger. 

I ask because I think one of the yards are responsible for good upkeeping on their cars. 

[Fan Railer]

So, a little surprised that there isn't any talk about the A/C swap that's gonna be happening in the near future.

[MysteriousBtrain]

17 minutes ago, Fan Railer said:

So, a little surprised that there isn't any talk about the A/C swap that's gonna be happening in the near future.

It's set to happen over the weekend. 6 R32s are for the with some R46s for the . The R160s will remain at this time.

[MHV9218]

Is this definitely happening? Running a  of part full-length R46s and part 8-car R160s sounds like a recipe for C/R and T/O disaster, but what do I know. Just very uncommon to have multiple length trains running the same route at once.

[trainfan22]

3 hours ago, MHV9218 said:

Is this definitely happening? Running a  of part full-length R46s and part 8-car R160s sounds like a recipe for C/R and T/O disaster, but what do I know. Just very uncommon to have multiple length trains running the same route at once.

I believe commuter railroad workers run different length train sets on the same day, if RR crews do it, why not RTO?

[Lance]

I foresee a problem with riders as well. Right now, most riders on the know that the trains are shorter than the other lines. Different car lengths across the same line at the same time will likely cause more problems than the present shortened car lengths currently do. Riders would eventually get used to the longer car lengths provided by the 46s, but for those times when it's not a 46, but instead an A1 set, people will have to run down the platform for those odd cars. Unlike the railroads, the subway is usually kept to uniform lengths across each line. This is why back in 2011 or so, when the used 44s and later 46s, all of the 32s previously on the line were shifted over to the . If this swap does happen, I believe it will be similar to how it was back then rather than this idea of mixing up car lengths simply to add some capacity on only some of the trains.

That's another thing. If the idea is to increase capacity on the line, how are they going to do that by only swapping some of the cars about? In order to get 600-foot trains on the , the entire line will either have to be 8-car 46s or 10-car 32s, which would come from the or lines respectively.

[Fan Railer]

Most passengers don't know anything about where the 8-car trains stop anyway. I see people scurrying for the doors bc they're standing on the wrong part of the platform everytime I ride the (C), so I don't think it's really a problem.

[Daniel The Cool]

19 minutes ago, Fan Railer said:

Most passengers don't know anything about where the 8-car trains stop anyway. I see people scurrying for the doors bc they're standing on the wrong part of the platform everytime I ride the (C), so I don't think it's really a problem.

I think it depends on the station they're waiting at since. There's a few stations where I've seen passengers purposely waiting in the Middle than either the front or the back end of platform when they're waiting for the Train. 

[T J Trainman]

Why not run 6 car R-46s for the C? the G did that years ago before they cut it permanently to 4 cars.

[VIP]

32 minutes ago, T J Trainman said:

Why not run 6 car R-46s for the C? the G did that years ago before they cut it permanently to 4 cars.

Whyyyy?!  The  needs to be full length. Meaning 600ft so therefore that line is sharing the  ‘s fleet and/or running 10-car R32’s 

[RR503]

4 hours ago, T J Trainman said:

Why not run 6 car R-46s for the C? the G did that years ago before they cut it permanently to 4 cars.

I don't think it's possible to run 6 car R46 sets -- I think they all come in permanently coupled sets of 4. 

[biGC323232]

And this is one of the key reasons why the montague tunnel should have been rebuilt to except r32's....Another example of the  not looking future wise...This Economy have grown to the point where  trains need to be full length...Only way i see the  being full length without effecting other fleets is if it swap cars with the .. trains can simply have 8 cars on wkday only service.. trains need full length always so its hard there for an even swap.....But once again because of the tunnel that eliminates that option for now....just my opinion

[Eric B]

1 hour ago, RR503 said:

I don't think it's possible to run 6 car R46 sets -- I think they all come in permanently coupled sets of 4. 

There are 2 car AA units and one AB, which were what were used on the years ago, but as said, the purpose for putting them on the in the first place is to make them 600 feet.

[Art Vandelay]

6 hours ago, T J Trainman said:

Why not run 6 car R-46s for the C? the G did that years ago before they cut it permanently to 4 cars.

-Not enough 2 car units for this to be possible
-6 car R46s would be a reduction in service. The whole reason why R46s are moving to the C is to increase service. 

 

[R32 3838]

You can't make the 8 cars, it gets very high ridership

@Eric B now only AA sets, 6206/7 are mated with the surviving 2 cars from the derailment.

[biGC323232]

17 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

You can't make the 8 cars, it gets very high ridership

@Eric B now only AA sets, 6206/7 are mated with the surviving 2 cars from the derailment.

If ridership is that high on the ...How come its a wkday only service??  trains uses 8 cars just fine on 6 av not to mention queens blvd... So where is these cars gonna come from to make 600ft  trains.....Cant wait to see how they pull this off.They either can make the  100% R179 R160...Take their r32s and make 10 cars a few sets of r46s from the ....Another key reason to why this R179 order should have been more 5 car sets to make more full length trains...Btw where all these new 8 cars gonna go if the  does become full length????

[Calvin]

I don't know if this question was answered but what's the purpose of this swap between the  lines? 

[MysteriousBtrain]

Just now, biGC323232 said:

If ridership is that high on the ...How come its a wkday only service??  trains uses 8 cars just fine on 6 av not to mention queens blvd... So where is these cars gonna come from to make 600ft  trains.....Cant wait to see how they pull this off.They either can make the  100% R179 R160...Take their r32s and make 10 cars a few sets of r46s from the ....Another key reason to why this R179 order should have been more 5 car sets to make more full length trains...Btw where all these new 8 cars gonna go if the  does become full length????

The is forced to have 8 cars because of the BMT East. Pretty sure if the platforms were extended long ago all lines would run 10 cars.

[biGC323232]

Just now, MysteriousBtrain said:

The is forced to have 8 cars because of the BMT East. Pretty sure if the platforms were extended long ago all lines would run 10 cars.

I understand that very well...But what im saying is if the  can use 8 car trains on 4 trunk lines why cant  trains...Does non wkend lines demands full length trains??... trains should have been full length long ago it doesnt serve the BMT east division with short platforms.....Every other line that runs in manhattan that doesnt serve the eastern division is full length except the  

[MysteriousBtrain]

Just now, biGC323232 said:

I understand that very well...But what im saying is if the  can use 8 car trains on 4 trunk lines why cant  trains...Does non wkend lines demands full length trains??... trains should have been full length long ago it doesnt serve the BMT east division with short platforms.....Every other line that runs in manhattan that doesnt serve the eastern division is full length except the  

Again, the is restricted in what it can use. Almost every line with the exception of all the shuttles and the needs all the cars it can to operate service today, especially during the rush.

[biGC323232]

1 minute ago, MysteriousBtrain said:

Again, the is restricted in what it can use. Almost every line with the exception of all the shuttles and the needs all the cars it can to operate service today, especially during the rush.

Again,I get all of that restriction east division stuff...My question to you is that do a line that doesn't operate on wkends, gets suspended totally when something minor goes wrong, and short turned after rush hour demands full length cars or service that runs all times except late night hours and gained such ridership over the years that full length is required....