Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Jdog14]

37 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

9618-9622 / ???? Seen on the  at Ditmars Blvd, and 9198-9202/9638-9642 on the  

 

8852 and company were running around also 

[Around the Horn]

9103-9107/9622-9618 on the

[VIP]

Looking like Coney Island yard needs more cars.  The R46 on the  plan was shot down. The R46’s are really crapping out left and right. 

[Bay Ridge Express]

So it sounds like the 211s need to arrive...

(or at very least, take the 42s out of retirement?)

[Calvin]

1 hour ago, VIP said:

Looking like Coney Island yard needs more cars.  The R46 on the  plan was shot down. The R46’s are really crapping out left and right. 

9 10-car tech trains doesn't help at this point. Needs more than that since the  is reduced to who knows when.

[VIP]

1 minute ago, Calvin said:

9 10-car tech trains doesn't help at this point. Needs more than that since the  is reduced to who knows when.

Car equipment has to come to some sort of agreement and spare 200 R160’s for  and  service, the same way they did when the R179’s were out of service. 

[Calvin]

12 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

9283-9287/XXXX - XXXX is doing a stint on the  

9663-9667. 

 

Things is looking different on the  lines now that the Siemens are off Coney Island maintenance.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Calvin

[darkstar8983]

8 minutes ago, Calvin said:

9663-9667. 

 

Things is looking different on the  lines now that the Siemens are off Coney Island maintenance.

at this point, just transfer 9643-9942 to Coney Island (9803 and up as permanent transfers and  9643-9802 as “loaners”)

[trainfan22]

28 minutes ago, Bay Ridge Express said:

So it sounds like the 211s need to arrive...

(or at very least, take the 42s out of retirement?)

The R42s (and the R32s) are far less reliable than any of the R46s. Also I heard some of the 42s were cannibalized for parts to use in the 68s.

 

Edited December 22, 2020 by trainfan22

[trainfan22]

According to the link below, R46 MDBF is hovering around 60,000 miles, R68 MDBF skyrocketed over the past year wheres R68A fell off a bit, info is in link is below.

 

http://dashboard.mta.info/

 

 

Overall the entire fleet MDBF went up over the past year. 

[Calvin]

13 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

9283-9287/9663-9667 is doing a stint on the  

 

4 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

9618-9622 / 9103-9107 Seen on the  at Ditmars Blvd from Around the Horn and 9203-9207/9638-9642 on the  

All are within from the layups around Av. X and Shell RD. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by Calvin

[MHV9218]

44 minutes ago, trainfan22 said:

According to the link below, R46 MDBF is hovering around 60,000 miles, R68 MDBF skyrocketed over the past year wheres R68A fell off a bit, info is in link is below.

http://dashboard.mta.info/

Overall the entire fleet MDBF went up over the past year. 

Those R62s are goddamn impressive. Obviously a part-time fleet will always do better but still, outperforming NTT cars is incredible. 68As should be doing better than they are given the service demands of the , but so be it. MTA's rush to scrap the 32s looks a little misguided when they were steady around 40k and ticking upwards, with the 46s at 60k and falling. Not sure what the story is with some of the R188s...still CBTC issues registering as mechanical failures? 

[R10 2952]

1 hour ago, MHV9218 said:

MTA's rush to scrap the 32s looks a little misguided when they were steady around 40k and ticking upwards, with the 46s at 60k and falling.

Understatement of the year.

[R32 3838]

2 hours ago, trainfan22 said:

The R42s (and the R32s) are far less reliable than any of the R46s. Also I heard some of the 42s were cannibalized for parts to use in the 68s.

 

R32's are in better shape body wise. There's a reason why they are in storage and not being stripped for parts yet. R46's are dropping like flies due to low spare factor.

 

Car Equipment and MTA needs to stop bullshitting and send a few R32's back to the to bump out R46's or to the to bump more R179's to the and in turn the R46's go to CI. if we go back into PAUSE then they could borrow more R160's than what they have now from Jamaica.

[VIP]

8 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

R32's are in better shape body wise. There's a reason why they are in storage and not being stripped for parts yet. R46's are dropping like flies due to low spare factor.

 

Car Equipment and MTA needs to stop bullshitting and send a few R32's back to the to bump out R46's or to the to bump more R179's to the and in turn the R46's go to CI. if we go back into PAUSE then they could borrow more R160's than what they have now from Jamaica.

The R32’s Can’t run on the  or  anymore especially due to the pandemic. They can send all of them to East New York. The  line can spare all their R179’s for  service.

[Lawrence St]

Or, we can send 13 sets of R46's from CIY to Pitkin in exchange for the R179's since Pitkin knows how to fix the R46's. 

Then this way at least the R211's can replace the majority of the fleet and be CBTC ready.

Edited December 22, 2020 by Lawrence St

[R32 3838]

2 hours ago, Lawrence St said:

Or, we can send 13 sets of R46's from CIY to Pitkin in exchange for the R179's since Pitkin knows how to fix the R46's. 

Then this way at least the R211's can replace the majority of the fleet and be CBTC ready.

No

 

Hell

No

 

I'm tired of this lets take the R179's from the because Coney island doesn't know wtf to do with the R46's.

 

Making the 100% R46's would not help it at all.

[Lawrence St]

3 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

No

 

Hell

No

 

I'm tired of this lets take the R179's from the because Coney island doesn't know wtf to do with the R46's.

 

Making the 100% R46's would not help it at all.

It actually would. Sorry you feel that way, but from a logical standpoint it's the best thing can do right now.

[VIP]

8 minutes ago, Lawrence St said:

It actually would. Sorry you feel that way, but from a logical standpoint it's the best thing can do right now.

That’s not the best, they would have to train and qualify crews for just 13 trainsets of R179’s. They don’t have the time and money to make such a move. The best thing is to use the  layups at Stillwell yard. 

[R32 3838]

1 hour ago, Lawrence St said:

It actually would. Sorry you feel that way, but from a logical standpoint it's the best thing can do right now.

it's logical to you, we get it riders don't deserve new cars. 207th has the 8 car units, why take 13 sets Of R179's from them to bring them to another yard that has no experience with them. why do you think the r46's are doing bad? giving them the R179's would make it even worse.

[NewFlyer 230]

13 hours ago, R32 3838 said:

R32's are in better shape body wise. There's a reason why they are in storage and not being stripped for parts yet. R46's are dropping like flies due to low spare factor.

 

Car Equipment and MTA needs to stop bullshitting and send a few R32's back to the to bump out R46's or to the to bump more R179's to the and in turn the R46's go to CI. if we go back into PAUSE then they could borrow more R160's than what they have now from Jamaica.

I don’t think the MTA wants to use the R32’s anymore and it seems that they are trying their hardest to keep them out of service.

Hopefully everything goes smoothly with the R211 delivery so all R32’s and R46’s can retire once and for all. 

[R32 3838]

19 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I don’t think the MTA wants to use the R32’s anymore and it seems that they are trying their hardest to keep them out of service.

Hopefully everything goes smoothly with the R211 delivery so all R32’s and R46’s can retire once and for all. 

 

if they don't want them to run there's plenty of options to avoid them to run and they're not using them. borrowing equipment from other yards isn't gonna work in the long term. it's just a band aid. they need to stop being stupid and just throw the R46's on the

 

CI has a low spare factor of r46's and pitkin's spare factor dropped when they threw r46's on the

 

this is why the R46's are taking a nose dive. running 5 trains of R32's during the rush wouldn't hurt and they weren't supposed to retire until Q1-2 of 2022.

right now ridership is low so they can get away with reducing service but they need to do it right and not this backwards shit.

[VIP]

22 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

 

if they don't want them to run there's plenty of options to avoid them to run and they're not using them. borrowing equipment from other yards isn't gonna work in the long term. it's just a band aid. they need to stop being stupid and just throw the R46's on the

 

CI has a low spare factor of r46's and pitkin's spare factor dropped when they threw r46's on the

 

this is why the R46's are taking a nose dive. running 5 trains of R32's during the rush wouldn't hurt and they weren't supposed to retire until Q1-2 of 2022.

right now ridership is low so they can get away with reducing service but they need to do it right and not this backwards shit.

This is New York City Transit we’re talking about here. Most the people behind the scenes never took the subway or even know anything about subway car maintenance. How many good decisions did they make when it came down to car assignments or equipment planning? What I’m getting at is, don’t expect practical things from transit. 

[NewFlyer 230]

37 minutes ago, R32 3838 said:

 

if they don't want them to run there's plenty of options to avoid them to run and they're not using them. borrowing equipment from other yards isn't gonna work in the long term. it's just a band aid. they need to stop being stupid and just throw the R46's on the

 

CI has a low spare factor of r46's and pitkin's spare factor dropped when they threw r46's on the

 

this is why the R46's are taking a nose dive. running 5 trains of R32's during the rush wouldn't hurt and they weren't supposed to retire until Q1-2 of 2022.

right now ridership is low so they can get away with reducing service but they need to do it right and not this backwards shit.

I was thinking the  could be suspended temporarily. Ridership is low enough where I doubt it would affect riders drastically. That would definitely increase the spare factor. The  is able to handle the local by itself. 

Edited December 22, 2020 by NewFlyer 230

[darkstar8983]

2 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I was thinking the  could be suspended temporarily. Ridership is low enough where I doubt it would affect riders drastically. That would definitely increase the spare factor. The  is able to handle the local by itself. 

I think every line needs to be assessed in terms of ridership numbers, and then trim the fat. Maybe some lines can run reduced service similar to how the  and  are.

The  could get away maybe with a 5-minute headway instead of a 4-minute headway for example, and the  could run every 4-5 minutes instead of every 3 minutes.