Fleet Swap Discussion Thread

[Via Garibaldi 8]

5 minutes ago, Jemorie said:

Prior to the swap, the R46s from Jamaica Yard (currently at Coney Island Yard for the ) were better on the  for operational reasons.

I suppose, but I'll be happy when they're gone. The lack of AC alone is annoying.

[Jemorie]

4 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

I suppose, but I'll be happy when they're gone.

Yeah. Same can be said for the R68s and R68As, even though they’re a small fleet on the  for the time being.

[Jacob]

Idk. Since the  are gonna be fully operated with 5 car R160s. I think Crosstown CBTC might be next in my opinion. 

[NewFlyer 230]

7 hours ago, Jacob said:

Idk. Since the  are gonna be fully operated with 5 car R160s. I think Crosstown CBTC might be next in my opinion. 

I can’t see the crosstown line getting CBTC before the 6th & 8th Ave lines. 

Edited October 10, 2021 by NewFlyer 230

[darkstar8983]

23 minutes ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I can’t see the crosstown line getting CBTC before the 6th & 8th Ave lines. 

It sounds like a waste of resources. The problem with piecewise CBTC implementation is that you make the subway less flexible to reroutes (especially unplanned ones) because specific subway cars are therefore banned from operating on specific routes bc theyre not CBTC compatible 

[lyncdesert-]

1 hour ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I can’t see the crosstown line getting CBTC before the 6th & 8th Ave lines. 

Culver Line CBTC finishing up by the end of this year which is why they put the 160s on the 

[lyncdesert-]

42 minutes ago, darkstar8983 said:

It sounds like a waste of resources. The problem with piecewise CBTC implementation is that you make the subway less flexible to reroutes (especially unplanned ones) because specific subway cars are therefore banned from operating on specific routes bc theyre not CBTC compatible 

Also they're putting CBTC on the Culver line but the EL looks in such bad shape they should've  put their time in fixing it up first 

[Around the Horn]

2 hours ago, NewFlyer 230 said:

I can’t see the crosstown line getting CBTC before the 6th & 8th Ave lines. 

It was in Fast Forward. We've reached the point with CBTC technology where it's going to be the de-facto system for any kind of re-signalling project (rather than simply installing new block signals as was done earlier) and IINM Crosstown is due for one in the next decade.

[Around the Horn]

2 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

The problem with piecewise CBTC implementation is that you make the subway less flexible to reroutes (especially unplanned ones) because specific subway cars are therefore banned from operating on specific routes bc theyre not CBTC compatible 

Which is why said cars are being consolidated onto the one trunk line not yet due for CBTC: Broadway (the notwithstanding)

Retirement at a later date can then coincide with CBTC install, as is currently being done with 8th Avenue

[darkstar8983]

8 hours ago, Around the Horn said:

Which is why said cars are being consolidated onto the one trunk line not yet due for CBTC: Broadway (the notwithstanding)

Retirement at a later date can then coincide with CBTC install, as is currently being done with 8th Avenue

But again you’re missing the point. Broadway also needs its cars CBTC compatible because of potential reroutes to the 6 Av Line, which car classes  are going to be restricted to NTT cars. The R211 order needs to be increased to outright replace EVERY non NTT car for this to work

[Bill from Maspeth]

22 hours ago, Jacob said:

Idk. Since the  are gonna be fully operated with 5 car R160s. I think Crosstown CBTC might be next in my opinion. 

Except that MTA in their Capital Programs has money allocated to the Sixth & Eighth Ave. Lines first.

[R179 8258]

3 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

But again you’re missing the point. Broadway also needs its cars CBTC compatible because of potential reroutes to the 6 Av Line, which car classes  are going to be restricted to NTT cars. The R211 order needs to be increased to outright replace EVERY non NTT car for this to work

But don’t every NTT has CBTC bypass mode 

[Around the Horn]

6 hours ago, darkstar8983 said:

But again you’re missing the point. Broadway also needs its cars CBTC compatible because of potential reroutes to the 6 Av Line, which car classes  are going to be restricted to NTT cars. The R211 order needs to be increased to outright replace EVERY non NTT car for this to work

Axle counters can still work for non-CBTC equipped trains in these kinds of edge cases and if its a weekend G.O. you can use the fleet for ~48 hours. It's not ideal but it can be managed until a new fleet goes out for bid.

 

[R32 3838]

On 10/9/2021 at 12:44 PM, trainfan22 said:

They are functional. The chronic dead motor issue is the only thing really wrong with the CI R46s. They are not outright breaking down in the masses, theres no factual data saying that. Modern day railfans are so soft complaining about the R46s in their current state, the SMEEs prior to GOH were most likely a lot worse and covered in graffiti to boot. 

 

From a passenger prospective, only thing really wrong with the R46 is the weak A/C, but at least they not outright crapping out like the A/C on the R62As do for example. But the tech trains in general are much better than the older cars when it comes to the HVAC. 

 

Everyday I see an R46 getting taken out of service for an issue. CI losing the R160's is gonna put more pressure on the R46's now that the R160's aren't going to supplement the R46's on the   so their reliability will tank even more. If the rumors are true about the R46's going to the   (I suspect the will be the one losing them) Then it'll help somewhat but They might still need a about 3-4 additional R46 sets for a healthy spare factor since now the fleet age of CI fleet is 32+ years old.  The will probably 100% R46 since they have digital side signs (Most of them suck now for some odd reason).

[NewFlyer 230]

On 10/10/2021 at 3:46 PM, R32 3838 said:

The digital signs on the R46 are 30+ years old themselves and I think at this point the MTA could care less about fixing them all up despite several R46 cars from both Piktin & C.I having blank digital signs and or signs that show the wrong route or direction. The MTA in general is bad at being consistent with applying new features or updates to all their train and bus fleets in general. That’s why a few years back when the R160s were getting some enhancements Jamaica gave some random R46 cars door mats, new interior lights and yellow looped poles while several of their own much newer R160s didn’t receive any of those features besides the looped poles that are not painted yellow. It’s the same exact reason why the MTA never bothered to update all the R68s and R68A’s to have the new 96th Street-2nd Ave destination because they just lack consistency and care in my honest opinion. 

 

On 10/10/2021 at 1:17 PM, Bill from Maspeth said:

Except that MTA in their Capital Programs has money allocated to the Sixth & Eighth Ave. Lines first.

This is what I thought because the for the most part runs by itself minus the portion between Bergan Street & Church Ave. So the Crosstown line itself doesn’t need CBTC but Culver portion of the line does which explains why the  is getting R160s. 

[darkstar8983]

On 10/9/2021 at 11:19 PM, lyncdesert- said:

Also they're putting CBTC on the Culver line but the EL looks in such bad shape they should've  put their time in fixing it up first 

They did the same thing with the line. First CBTC and then make the EL look better

[Calvin]

3150-3153: returned to 207 St Yard for the line making the pool total of 11 8 62 ft car trains

[VIP]

Looks like the will keep it’s oddball 179’s when the 211’s roll in 

[darkstar8983]

On 10/13/2021 at 11:47 AM, VIP said:

Looks like the will keep it’s oddball 179’s when the 211’s roll in 

I think not. The four cars that were moved were likely to help with the spare factor on the , which is almost nonexistent

[Calvin]

The has completed its transition to using fully R160 class in 5-car sets. For now, the is 1/2 R46 and R68/A but at least 2 R160s popped out on that line, out of the door soon. The , ehh R46s with a few R68/As. 

[darkstar8983]

On 10/23/2021 at 8:21 PM, Calvin said:

The has completed its transition to using fully R160 class in 5-car sets. For now, the is 1/2 R46 and R68/A but at least 2 R160s popped out on that line, out of the door soon. The , ehh R46s with a few R68/As.  

I guess 9883-9892 was transferred (or getting transferred over the weekend) (even though it ran on the last night)

[R179 8258]

On 10/23/2021 at 9:30 PM, darkstar8983 said:

I guess 9883-9892 was transferred (or getting transferred over the weekend) (even though it ran on the last night)

The last of the R160s at Coney Island are they going to Jamaica ? 

[Calvin]

24 minutes ago, R179 8258 said:

The last of the R160s at Coney Island are they going to Jamaica ? 

Soon, but if anything: they'll be at the Avenue X side of Coney Island Yard. 

[darkstar8983]

On 10/24/2021 at 12:09 AM, Calvin said:

Soon, but if anything: they'll be at the Avenue X side of Coney Island Yard. 

The s spares and Put-ins will likely come from the Avenue X side of the yard and be part of the 's fleet (similar to how the 's fleet is meshed in with the with regard to spare factor and fleet interchange within the yard), and when its comes time for maintenance, the train will go to Jamaica like all the other R160s. Don't be surprised if you start seeing some of the lower numbered R160s (outside of the 9853-9942 series) end up as the 5-car sets of R160s, because now the entire order is fluid and in one yard. You may even see a 5-car siemens R160 in service. 

[trainfan22]

Even though the is 100% R160, there's still at least one set of R160s on the today.