Around the Horn Posted March 10, 2014 Share #1676 Posted March 10, 2014 Nassau St-4th Avenue service has been pitched in various ways. Whether it's though sending the J to 95 St or 9 Av or bringing back the Nassau M, the answer has pretty much been the same. The ridership for such a service just isn't there. Most riders on the 4th Avenue local want Broadway service. Id really want it there to accompany the .The tImes i rode the during the summer it was always on time unlike the .this gives 4 Av local riders a fallback service... and I would just like to make it clear that I understand your points about ridership 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 10, 2014 Share #1677 Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Id really want it there to accompany the .The tImes i rode the during the summer it was always on time unlike the .this gives 4 Av local riders a fallback service... and I would just like to make it clear that I understand your points about ridership Exactly. Many more people who live in South Brooklyn work in Midtown Manhattan than Downtown Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan. Hence why the Montague Street Tunnel is the least crowded of all East River crossings. Hence why the , , and trains are significantly more crowded coming from Brooklyn into Manhattan in the AM peak (and coming from Manhattan into Brooklyn in the PM peak) than the train. Edited March 11, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1678 Posted March 11, 2014 I'm not sure if this idea has been tossed out there, but once SAS opens, how would a reactivated From Astoria to Bay Ridge via B'way exp and 4av lcl work? The will get its much needed help and passengers get their B'way service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1679 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) You know what I think, I think the should be extended to Brighton and be local and for a one seat ride to lower Manhattan/ downtown brooklyn Edit: My plan in detail some J trains stored in ci yard, during the highest ridership point in the morning 12 J trains running 5 minutes apart on the local would deadhead to Brighton. They would have to enter service there on the local track without waiting for more than a minute. Then they would run local up until dekalb where they would switch to the montague line then they would take the existing path as the m used to take only till Jamaica instead of the m terminal. They would run in regular service up until 4 where they would start in Jamaica and go to Brighton. In order for this to happen some q trains would have to start at whitehall or prospect park Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk Edited March 11, 2014 by NYSubwayBuff 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1680 Posted March 11, 2014 I'm not sure if this idea has been tossed out there, but once SAS opens, how would a reactivated From Astoria to Bay Ridge via B'way exp and 4av lcl work? The will get its much needed help and passengers get their B'way service. Any station served only by the has relatively low ridership. There isn't a need for more local service on the 4th Avenue line in Brooklyn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1681 Posted March 11, 2014 Any station served only by the has relatively low ridership. There isn't a need for more local service on the 4th Avenue line in Brooklyn. North of 36th could use it, especially on weekends when the runs irregularly. Service at 9th Street, a major transfer point, is miserable. Of course, that could be fixed by sending the local on weekends (which would also shut up Brighton riders wanting an easy ride to 6th Avenue, as a same-platform transfer would be available). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1682 Posted March 11, 2014 Any station served only by the has relatively low ridership. There isn't a need for more local service on the 4th Avenue line in Brooklyn. I dont want to sound rude,but I suggest riding the before making such a statement... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted March 11, 2014 Share #1683 Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) I dont want to sound rude,but I suggest riding the before making such a statement... Been riding the damn near daily too. As I told you before, if many more people from South Brooklyn (which also includes Bay Ridge) work in Midtown Manhattan than Downtown Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan, then why should there be more local service? Nobody is currently passing up the due to severe overcrowding. Hell, even during the off-peak, Montague ridership is a hell of a lot more lower. With Montague closed, all the nearby alternative routes, taken together, can easily fully handle the train's relatively smaller ridership in Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn. If some people get left behind on the platform, they will indeed run more service on this line or send another line in the long run to help out. Edited March 11, 2014 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1684 Posted March 12, 2014 Been riding the damn near daily too. As I told you before, if many more people from South Brooklyn (which also includes Bay Ridge) work in Midtown Manhattan than Downtown Brooklyn and Lower Manhattan, then why should there be more local service? Nobody is currently passing up the due to severe overcrowding. Hell, even during the off-peak, Montague ridership is a hell of a lot more lower. With Montague closed, all the nearby alternative routes, taken together, can easily fully handle the train's relatively smaller ridership in Lower Manhattan and Downtown Brooklyn. If some people get left behind on the platform, they will indeed run more service on this line or send another line in the long run to help out. I hate to invoke the great VG8, but sometimes when I want to go deep into Bay Ridge (well, 86 St at least) when I come from New Jersey into Manhattan, I dial up a $20 Metrocard and hop the X28...lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYSubwayBuff Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1685 Posted March 12, 2014 Don't u mean x27 Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRACertifyMotormen Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1686 Posted March 12, 2014 Extend the to Co-Op City. Although just like my to Riverdale-263rd Street, it will never happen, even though it would make plenty of sense due to how busy Co-Op is. The rule of this thread is NO ADDING ANY NEW ROUTES, including 2nd Avenue. Work within what is there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRACertifyMotormen Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1687 Posted March 12, 2014 Most people do not realize that the purpose of express service is NOT to make a trip shorter, but is to even out loading. Most locals take less than 5 minutes longer than the express covering the same distance. The 1 only takes 5 minutes longer than the 2 and 3 between 96 Street and Chambers Street. The 7 express only saves 4 minutes over the 7 local. The 6 express only saves 3 minutes over the 6 local in the Bronx. And the 5 Bronx Express is only 2 minutes shorter than the 2 local! Even the 6 in Manhattan only takes 7 minutes longer than the 4 and 5 expresses, despite making 14 more stops! On the IND, in midtown and lower Manhattan, there are only 5 local stops between both the 6th and 8th Avenue lines! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1688 Posted March 12, 2014 Yes, but in most of our minds, those couple of minutes "saved" are precious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1689 Posted March 12, 2014 Don't u mean x27Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk The first stop where I go to is the first stop off the BQE on the X28 at 86 St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted March 12, 2014 Share #1690 Posted March 12, 2014 Most people do not realize that the purpose of express service is NOT to make a trip shorter, but is to even out loading. Most locals take less than 5 minutes longer than the express covering the same distance. The 1 only takes 5 minutes longer than the 2 and 3 between 96 Street and Chambers Street. The 7 express only saves 4 minutes over the 7 local. The 6 express only saves 3 minutes over the 6 local in the Bronx. And the 5 Bronx Express is only 2 minutes shorter than the 2 local! Even the 6 in Manhattan only takes 7 minutes longer than the 4 and 5 expresses, despite making 14 more stops! On the IND, in midtown and lower Manhattan, there are only 5 local stops between both the 6th and 8th Avenue lines! The problem is that 7 minutes can add up, particularly if trains are delayed and the subway is not the only part of your trip. Time is money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
125thstreet Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1691 Posted March 14, 2014 B train to Forest Hills via 6 ave express via 63rd street tunnel queen blvd local. F train back to 53rd street M train to 145th Street(weekdays, night and weekend) extend to Bedford Park Blvd during rush hours via 6av/central park local Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1692 Posted March 14, 2014 Not a terrible idea... But what are the advantages over the current set-up? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cl94 Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1693 Posted March 14, 2014 I just see it causing confusion. One could just as easily make the and run on weekends to eliminate the 53rd Street issue. You'd run into issues at the 34th Street interlocking as the would have to switch between the express and local tracks. A few times over the past couple weeks, people with the have posted that personnel assigned to a route get paid even if a GO suspends service. That's the reason why the stopped running to Forest Hills- it rarely went there due to construction but the extra crews still got paid. Hence why 6th Avenue only operates with 2 services on weekends. Annoying, yes, but either 6th or 8th always has something going on and it allows them to reroute trains without suspending services and wasting money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1694 Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) The from Metropolitan to 145/BPK is a terrible idea, because 6th Ave is not set up for local trains to go to the Bronx. It would slow down the whole railroad to have it go 2 to 4 N/B, and 3 to 1 S/B. The from Brighton Beach to Continental via 63 St could work, since the 63 St line can go either express or local at 47-50. Edited March 14, 2014 by Snowblock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1695 Posted March 14, 2014 If the went uptown, it would be via 8th Ave. But then, it would be replacing the , not the . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamen Rider Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1696 Posted March 14, 2014 this just strikes me as the old "We MUST get the F back to 53rd street by any means necessary" mindset some people still have. It's been 13 years. move on. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itmaybeokay Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1697 Posted March 14, 2014 B train to Forest Hills via 6 ave express via 63rd street tunnel queen blvd local. F train back to 53rd street M train to 145th Street(weekdays, night and weekend) extend to Bedford Park Blvd during rush hours via 6av/central park local Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk QB Local via 63rd street is less than ideal because it would skip the important Queens Plaza transfer point. The would get hit harder because riders for 8th Av would be ill-advised to take the . You'd also incur delays at 47-50 streets. It's an interesting idea - I'd love any Queens Blvd service to be an express in manhattan - but this proposal causes as many problems as it solves. What problem does it solve anyway? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missabassie Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1698 Posted March 14, 2014 The reason the was moved to 63 St was (I believe) to maintain full-time service. If it were moved back to 53rd, it must run via 63rd overnight or something else would have to replace it. Too much hassle, yes... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFK Depot Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1699 Posted March 14, 2014 It's not really a new idea but rather finishing up on a project Finish the E train extention into South Jamaica Via Underneath Guy Brewer Blvd up the Blvd to Baisley Blvd Rochdale Village With a small underground yard underneath Rochdale Complex With stops at 109th Ave... Linden Blvd.. and last stop Baisley Blvd I would've also sent the J via underneath Jamaica Ave to Belmont Park.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrylbaniaga38 Posted March 14, 2014 Share #1700 Posted March 14, 2014 If it's feasible, extend it all the way down to Rockaway Blvd for an easier connection to JFK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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