knice1187 Posted January 17, 2013 Share #351 Posted January 17, 2013 One more thing I forgot to add. A driver spoke to a guy that was on his bus today who works for the dot. The dot wants mta to push the date back for the b44 sbs because of the utility work going on right now on nostrand from flushing ave to Atlantic ave. The mta has said they want to move ahead with it on time. Now here's the big problem with it now; the city has a bid out for the same utility work to be done from Atlantic avenue to Flatbush avenue, so it makes no sense to repave the street if its going to get dug up again. Also he said that the might make the bus lane green instead of red. I don't know how true any of this is but I'm just informing you guys about what I was told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 17, 2013 Share #352 Posted January 17, 2013 I have been told today that the only reason the artics were out on the 44 today was because we were short on buses today. The union threw a fit with management because the deal that they had set up was that they wouldn't run on the 44 until April. The union ended up having those operators pull back in after they finished their trip. Looks like we might have to wait till April unless things change. Yeah, I was about to post the same thing you heard... When I got to work they were mentioning shortage of buses this morning and those operators were instructed to pull-in after they complete the trips. Just when I got excited about this movement, I heard that when I came in. lol Those LFSAs look good out there on the 44 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBus Posted January 17, 2013 Share #353 Posted January 17, 2013 How could they use the artics before the bus stops are lengthened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 17, 2013 Share #354 Posted January 17, 2013 How could they use the artics before the bus stops are lengthened? The bus stops along the B44 don't necessarily have to have be lengthened since they all can handle '60 ft buses, but many of the local stops along the line cannot "legally" serve two (artics) buses at once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 17, 2013 Share #355 Posted January 17, 2013 BTW, there's 3 artics out on the 44 today - 5826, 5833, & 5836 Perhaps there was a settlement between management and the union now.. I won't know anything more until I get into work later tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted January 17, 2013 Share #356 Posted January 17, 2013 What I am concerned about is short turns at Avenue U which will be in operation until SBS begins. It is where the bus turns into Gravesend Neck Road, East 29th Street, Avenue U and back to Nostrand Avenue. Neck Road is one lane for traffic as the B/36 usually lays over there and East 29th Street is the location of a busy store that receives a lot of deliveries and is vital to our community. It would make more sense to continue to Avenue X then Avenue X to Batchelder Street to Avenue Y and back to Nostrand with the layover at the school on Batchelder until the SBS begins operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick44 Posted January 17, 2013 Share #357 Posted January 17, 2013 More than likely, those short-turns won't have an artic on it. Just a logical thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 17, 2013 Share #358 Posted January 17, 2013 The B44 local ends at Avenue U exclusively for most of the day, every day, and artics are running on the route all day, every day. Ending at Av U is pretty much the local's normal pattern, so of course there'll be artics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interested Rider Posted January 18, 2013 Share #359 Posted January 18, 2013 5825 was on the route today finishing at Avenue U at about 12 Noon. I was at Avenue U at that time and was watching to see whether it would be going back north but instead it went out of service and went back to the garage. I have spoken to staff at the store on East 29th Street and Avenue U and they are concerned about the use of the artics in service that terminates at Avenue U as it will have a negative impact upon their deliveries and shoppers. If the route will have the artics running, then it is best to extend all the trips to Knapp Street instead of waiting for implementation of SBS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 18, 2013 Share #360 Posted January 18, 2013 5825 was on the route today finishing at Avenue U at about 12 Noon. I was at Avenue U at that time and was watching to see whether it would be going back north but instead it went out of service and went back to the garage. I have spoken to staff at the store on East 29th Street and Avenue U and they are concerned about the use of the artics in service that terminates at Avenue U as it will have a negative impact upon their deliveries and shoppers. If the route will have the artics running, then it is best to extend all the trips to Knapp Street instead of waiting for implementation of SBS. Fat chance of that happening... That would be wayyy too much service going to Knapp Street, not including increased costs to extend those runs to Knapp St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olegkha Posted January 19, 2013 Share #361 Posted January 19, 2013 I have spoken to staff at the store on East 29th Street and Avenue U and they are concerned about the use of the artics in service that terminates at Avenue U as it will have a negative impact upon their deliveries and shoppers. If the route will have the artics running, then it is best to extend all the trips to Knapp Street instead of waiting for implementation of SBS. SBS or no SBS, those idiots should not double park on that small street anyway! btw 9 on 49 was arctic today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knice1187 Posted January 19, 2013 Share #362 Posted January 19, 2013 What I am concerned about is short turns at Avenue U which will be in operation until SBS begins. It is where the bus turns into Gravesend Neck Road, East 29th Street, Avenue U and back to Nostrand Avenue. Neck Road is one lane for traffic as the B/36 usually lays over there and East 29th Street is the location of a busy store that receives a lot of deliveries and is vital to our community. It would make more sense to continue to Avenue X then Avenue X to Batchelder Street to Avenue Y and back to Nostrand with the layover at the school on Batchelder until the SBS begins operation. 5825 was on the route today finishing at Avenue U at about 12 Noon. I was at Avenue U at that time and was watching to see whether it would be going back north but instead it went out of service and went back to the garage. I have spoken to staff at the store on East 29th Street and Avenue U and they are concerned about the use of the artics in service that terminates at Avenue U as it will have a negative impact upon their deliveries and shoppers. If the route will have the artics running, then it is best to extend all the trips to Knapp Street instead of waiting for implementation of SBS. What's the big problem? As said in many threads many times an artic can make any turn a forty footer can make. Besides that turn over there is not bad at all man no need to worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted January 19, 2013 Share #363 Posted January 19, 2013 SBS or no SBS, those idiots should not double park on that small street anyway! btw 9 on 49 was arctic today. really? ive only seen RTS and NGs all on that route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted January 19, 2013 Share #364 Posted January 19, 2013 Late again...^ All you have to do is look back 1 page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 19, 2013 Share #365 Posted January 19, 2013 SBS or no SBS, those idiots should not double park on that small street anyway! btw 9 on 49 was arctic today. Yeah, I heard about that when I got in... except it was a mistake. lmao! He was told to pull it in after that first round I believe. What I am concerned about is short turns at Avenue U which will be in operation until SBS begins. It is where the bus turns into Gravesend Neck Road, East 29th Street, Avenue U and back to Nostrand Avenue. Neck Road is one lane for traffic as the B/36 usually lays over there and East 29th Street is the location of a busy store that receives a lot of deliveries and is vital to our community. It would make more sense to continue to Avenue X then Avenue X to Batchelder Street to Avenue Y and back to Nostrand with the layover at the school on Batchelder until the SBS begins operation. That layover space is for both B44 locals and the B36s, and whatever bus comes through there doesn't matter - they still turn the same way (40 ft or 60-62 ft buses), and those delivery trucks shouldn't be double parked anyway as Olegkha said. Whatever you're thinking is not worth even bringing up to MTA's route planning department. Hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acela Express Posted January 21, 2013 Share #366 Posted January 21, 2013 I rode 5835 as a passenger today on the 44 heading northbound and that bus can make turn at Farragut with no problem. It's a true big boy though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 22, 2013 Share #367 Posted January 22, 2013 Fat chance of that happening... That would be wayyy too much service going to Knapp Street, not including increased costs to extend those runs to Knapp St. Now that I think about it, the DOT/MTA did mention extending the local to Knapp St before, to fill in the gap between SBS stops. The latest fliers don't mention it. However, they did mention extending the local to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza, but rejected it, citing that ridership doesn't warrant it. The Knapp St idea hasn't been rejected yet, as far as I know, so it should still be on. I don't know about off-peak, but during rush hour there could be some SBS trips turning at Avenue U [kind of like on the M15 SBS where some trips end at Houston during the rush]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 22, 2013 Share #368 Posted January 22, 2013 Now that I think about it, the DOT/MTA did mention extending the local to Knapp St before, to fill in the gap between SBS stops. The latest fliers don't mention it. However, they did mention extending the local to Williamsburg Bridge Plaza, but rejected it, citing that ridership doesn't warrant it. The Knapp St idea hasn't been rejected yet, as far as I know, so it should still be on. I don't know about off-peak, but during rush hour there could be some SBS trips turning at Avenue U [kind of like on the M15 SBS where some trips end at Houston during the rush]. Well I don't see why they'd accept more local buses being extended to Knapp St but not to Williamsburg when the same argument could be made for the Knapp St extension... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious2train Posted January 23, 2013 Share #369 Posted January 23, 2013 Perhaps, but there's probably more ridership below Avenue U than there is above Flushing Av, going by service levels. Namely, on weekdays, you have every other Limited trip [along with every local trip] ending at Flushing Av, but on the other end you have all Limited service ending at Knapp St, and in the morning you have local trips starting at Avenue X [i have no idea what that's about, though.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #370 Posted January 23, 2013 Perhaps, but there's probably more ridership below Avenue U than there is above Flushing Av, going by service levels. Namely, on weekdays, you have every other Limited trip [along with every local trip] ending at Flushing Av, but on the other end you have all Limited service ending at Knapp St, and in the morning you have local trips starting at Avenue X [i have no idea what that's about, though.] Well the Avenue X trips could be the ones that end at Avenue X by Sheepshead Bay H.S. I can assure you that the ridership to Knapp St isn't that high at all. Of course you have that nursing home that's a generator, but still. If anything I'd say it's because the B4 runs like sh*t down there that's why they have more B44s going down there as an alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo19 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #371 Posted January 23, 2013 Well the Avenue X trips could be the ones that end at Avenue X by Sheepshead Bay H.S. I can assure you that the ridership to Knapp St isn't that high at all. Of course you have that nursing home that's a generator, but still. If anything I'd say it's because the B4 runs like sh*t down there that's why they have more B44s going down there as an alternative. One of the better things about the B4 is now it once again runs the full length of Neptune, and that's not saying much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #372 Posted January 23, 2013 One of the better things about the B4 is now it once again runs the full length of Neptune, and that's not saying much. LOL... If the buses aren't reliable that is going to be a serious wait.... Hell even when they had slightly better frequencies I can recall waiting 40 minutes for one friggin' bus and more time than none only one would show up while waiting that long. Really pathetic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #373 Posted January 23, 2013 Well the Avenue X trips could be the ones that end at Avenue X by Sheepshead Bay H.S. I can assure you that the ridership to Knapp St isn't that high at all. Of course you have that nursing home that's a generator, but still. If anything I'd say it's because the B4 runs like sh*t down there that's why they have more B44s going down there as an alternative. He says it's in the morning, when the kids should be going to school, not from school. (There are a few trips in the afternoon, though, but he mentioned the morning ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted January 23, 2013 Share #374 Posted January 23, 2013 LOL... If the buses aren't reliable that is going to be a serious wait.... Hell even when they had slightly better frequencies I can recall waiting 40 minutes for one friggin' bus and more time than none only one would show up while waiting that long. Really pathetic... See, after 15 minutes, I would have begun walking. You probably could have beaten the bus to your destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qjtransitmaster Posted January 23, 2013 Share #375 Posted January 23, 2013 Well I don't see why they'd accept more local buses being extended to Knapp St but not to Williamsburg when the same argument could be made for the Knapp St extension... wanna know why ridership north of flushing is not so high look above you and stop whining it's called drumroll please !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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