SevenEleven Posted April 18, 2012 Share #876 Posted April 18, 2012 May I ask....why are they down rating the engine??? I have no idea. Maybe one of the others can shed some light. Wait..I thought it was the transmission they were changing? Yes but that's not the only spec change coming with this order. 5770-6067 will use the ThermoKing HVAC 6068-6097 will use Carrier 6095-6097 will have the Allison WB-500R6 Gen IV transmissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaLFSSeeker Posted April 18, 2012 Share #877 Posted April 18, 2012 But do they need both 5770 and 5771? and does anybody know what has been the last bus delivered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted April 18, 2012 Share #878 Posted April 18, 2012 We only get three LFSAs with Allisons? What, is the MTA allergic to Allisons these days? That's a shame, I like those a whole lot more than ZFers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted April 18, 2012 Share #879 Posted April 18, 2012 Maybe the ZFs hold up better and are more efficient and capable. It has been said for years that ZFs burn Allisons at higher speeds. Allisons sound better, but ZFs perform better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted April 18, 2012 Share #880 Posted April 18, 2012 Maybe the ZFs hold up better and are more efficient and capable. It has been said for years that ZFs burn Allisons at higher speeds. Sure, at highway speeds ZFs may have the advantage, but in the crawl of NYC traffic, all you get is a jerky bus and annoyed passengers. If you operate or ride a 1200 LFSA or a ZF RTS in traffic you'll know exactly what I'm talking about it. As for holding up better, there's not really much evidence for the MTA to say that considering the LFSAs were the first diesel buses we ordered with ZFs in twelve years, and the first type of any bus with a ZF in seven years -- everything else went Allison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted April 19, 2012 Share #881 Posted April 19, 2012 6095-6097 will have the Allison WB-500R6 Gen IV transmissions Guess I should not get my hopes up. I enjoy the Allison units. Makes me wish they had ordered all of the LFS rigids with Allison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted April 19, 2012 Share #882 Posted April 19, 2012 Sure, at highway speeds ZFs may have the advantage, but in the crawl of NYC traffic, all you get is a jerky bus and annoyed passengers. If you operate or ride a 1200 LFSA or a ZF RTS in traffic you'll know exactly what I'm talking about it. As for holding up better, there's not really much evidence for the MTA to say that considering the LFSAs were the first diesel buses we ordered with ZFs in twelve years, and the first type of any bus with a ZF in seven years -- everything else went Allison. I've got to agree that was my major gripe when operating those ZF O7's at West Farms. Also... when I was operating 5778 it was like I could never stop smoothly there was like a chatter right before it would come to a complete stop (I did nothing different compared to driving a New Flyer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q101viaSteinway Posted April 21, 2012 Share #883 Posted April 21, 2012 what will happen to 6000 series bus when 6000 series nova come Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted April 21, 2012 Share #884 Posted April 21, 2012 They will get the axe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted April 23, 2012 Share #885 Posted April 23, 2012 But do they need both 5770 and 5771? and does anybody know what has been the last bus delivered Slight correction: 5770 is at Prevost, 5771 is up at Plattsburgh. We only get three LFSAs with Allisons? What, is the MTA allergic to Allisons these days? That's a shame, I like those a whole lot more than ZFers. The latest spec change says that the last 13 will have Allisons: http://www.ttmg.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=MTA_Regional_Bus_Operations_Fleet_Roster#Volvo_Group_North_America Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted April 24, 2012 Share #886 Posted April 24, 2012 Just saw the updated roster, how are the Allison ones gonna have Detroit Diesel? Last I checked they don't make bus engines anymore, and they don't make them at all for non-Daimler vehicles. If this is true, then I'd like to be the first to say it's ABOUT TIME. Go Detroit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted April 24, 2012 Share #887 Posted April 24, 2012 Just saw the updated roster, how are the Allison ones gonna have Detroit Diesel? Last I checked they don't make bus engines anymore, and they don't make them at all for non-Daimler vehicles. If this is true, then I'd like to be the first to say it's ABOUT TIME. Go Detroit! Detroit Diesel never left the bus industry. They just shifted their focus towards OTR coaches. There are MCI buses that sport the newer DD engines. The DD11 engine will be an entirely new engine being introduced here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted April 25, 2012 Share #888 Posted April 25, 2012 The DD11 is so new its not even on the Detroit Diesel website yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted April 25, 2012 Share #889 Posted April 25, 2012 Detroit Diesel never left the bus industry. They just shifted their focus towards OTR coaches. There are MCI buses that sport the newer DD engines. The DD11 engine will be an entirely new engine being introduced here. Ah. Can't wait to see how this plays out. DD should make a smaller engine that they can use on the hybrids so the damn ISB isn't the only option there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blitz Posted April 25, 2012 Share #890 Posted April 25, 2012 @ Orion VII 4 Life, I believe Navistar and Daimler Buses North America are working on an engine to compete with the ISB for usage in diesel electric propulsion systems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted April 25, 2012 Share #891 Posted April 25, 2012 The DD11 is so new its not even on the Detroit Diesel website yet... Actually the DD11 is not new at all, the DD11 has been in other markets outside of the US since 2007. It is only NOW being introduced to the US market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted April 25, 2012 Share #892 Posted April 25, 2012 @ Orion VII 4 Life, I believe Navistar and Daimler Buses North America are working on an engine to compete with the ISB for usage in diesel electric propulsion systems... Interesting, considering DD is owned by Daimler. Still good to see DD making a comeback in buses, even if they aren't hybrid (yet). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaLFSSeeker Posted April 26, 2012 Share #893 Posted April 26, 2012 Why is KB getting WF's LFSA's?? that wasnt supposed to happen til after CS order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted April 26, 2012 Share #894 Posted April 26, 2012 Why is KB getting WF's LFSA's?? that wasnt supposed to happen til after CS order I saw 5807 on the Bx9 on Tuesday and I was thinking the same thing. Strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted April 26, 2012 Share #895 Posted April 26, 2012 WF is supposed to be getting another batch of LFSA's so they are gonna send their first batch to KB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaLFSSeeker Posted April 26, 2012 Share #896 Posted April 26, 2012 which ones? does anyone have an updated delivery schedule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted April 26, 2012 Share #897 Posted April 26, 2012 Yes. Here's the updated delivery assignment: http://www.ttmg.org/forums/index.php?/topic/1065-updated-nova-bus-lfsa-delivery-assignment/#axzz1tA0rkyDV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynIRT Posted April 30, 2012 Share #898 Posted April 30, 2012 Only 40 buses for the B44 SBS? If it is going to take about 113 minutes to make a round trip during rush hour (48 mins up, 8 mins recovery at one end, 49 mins down, 8 mins recovery at the other end) and the buses are supposed to operate every 3 minutes during the rush hour then 38 buses (113/3 = 37+2/3) are needed to make service, leaving only two spares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted May 2, 2012 Share #899 Posted May 2, 2012 Only 40 buses for the B44 SBS? If it is going to take about 113 minutes to make a round trip during rush hour (48 mins up, 8 mins recovery at one end, 49 mins down, 8 mins recovery at the other end) and the buses are supposed to operate every 3 minutes during the rush hour then 38 buses (113/3 = 37+2/3) are needed to make service, leaving only two spares? B44 SBS delayed until Late Sept. 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future ENY OP Posted May 3, 2012 Share #900 Posted May 3, 2012 B44 SBS delayed until Late Sept. 2013 Not a good look right now.. but lets see if the decides to make changes and FB doesn't get their 40 buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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