vioreen Posted May 31, 2020 Share #24151 Posted May 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, 4 via Mosholu said: Judging by the track elevation north of 179 Street - Jamaica on the inner tracks, there's no reason why it shouldn't be an elevated extension. Note that the outer tracks there, which go down to a lower level, were always meant to be for relay purposes. Those tracks could be raised as the line is being expanded 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremiahC99 Posted May 31, 2020 Share #24152 Posted May 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, vioreen said: Those tracks could be raised as the line is being expanded 38 minutes ago, 4 via Mosholu said: Judging by the track elevation north of 179 Street - Jamaica on the inner tracks, there's no reason why it shouldn't be an elevated extension. Note that the outer tracks there, which go down to a lower level, were always meant to be for relay purposes. Where do you guys propose the portal can be placed for this to happen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24153 Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Jova42R said: I proposed a Queens TramLink which would partially serve as an extension (and maybe you could extend the Streetcar Shuttle to 179th) See here for the proposal: The "tramlink" is completely unnecessary. No need to be cute (see the joke that is eBART) just extend the damn train. 1 hour ago, JeremiahC99 said: Where do you guys propose the portal can be placed for this to happen? Hillside Avenue widens just west of Springfield Blvd for the Second System line out to the city line. I personally would build this underground with WTC Cortlandt-like stations close to the surface. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24154 Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Jova42R said: I proposed a Queens TramLink which would partially serve as an extension (and maybe you could extend the Streetcar Shuttle to 179th) See here for the proposal: Your Queens TramLink could possibly work for busy Queens bus lines with tight frequencies. But in this case, the bus riders already transfer directly to the . Why make them take a bus to a tram to the ? That’s turning a two-seat ride into a three-seat ride. We don’t want to make riders have a longer commute with an extra transfer. 2 hours ago, Around the Horn said: The "tramlink" is completely unnecessary. No need to be cute (see the joke that is eBART) just extend the damn train. Hillside Avenue widens just west of Springfield Blvd for the Second System line out to the city line. I personally would build this underground with WTC Cortlandt-like stations close to the surface. I could go for that. I like what they did with that station. This should be a relatively easy extension project. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24155 Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, Around the Horn said: The "tramlink" is completely unnecessary. No need to be cute (see the joke that is eBART) just extend the damn train. And they built it at Standard Gauge, so if it EVER gets extended to Tracy or Stockton, it'll be just as slow and barely useful as the Altamont Corridor Express. Edited June 1, 2020 by Deucey 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24156 Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Deucey said: And they built it at Standard Gauge, so if it EVER gets extended to Tracy or Stockton, it'll be just as slow and barely useful as the Altamont Corridor Express. What does standard gauge have to do with speed? Pretty much all HSR around the world is standard gauge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24157 Posted June 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Around the Horn said: The "tramlink" is completely unnecessary. No need to be cute (see the joke that is eBART) just extend the damn train. Hillside Avenue widens just west of Springfield Blvd for the Second System line out to the city line. I personally would build this underground with WTC Cortlandt-like stations close to the surface. Agreed. Stops at 188, Francis Lewis, 212, and Springfield. Springfield/Hillside is an unusually large intersection; you might actually be able to provide underground ramps for a paid-area bus loop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24158 Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, bobtehpanda said: What does standard gauge have to do with speed? Pretty much all HSR around the world is standard gauge. The rest of BART is at 5'6" broad gauge. eBart is running DMUs and if it's expanded to the Central Valley, since the grades on the Diablo Range hit 5-7%, either the tracks and Hwy 4 have to be rebuilt to run on the actual Pittsburg line, or it's going to take a meandering route to a canyon or valley which reduces speed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24159 Posted June 1, 2020 32 minutes ago, Deucey said: The rest of BART is at 5'6" broad gauge. eBart is running DMUs and if it's expanded to the Central Valley, since the grades on the Diablo Range hit 5-7%, either the tracks and Hwy 4 have to be rebuilt to run on the actual Pittsburg line, or it's going to take a meandering route to a canyon or valley which reduces speed. I wouldn't be surprised to find the logic behind it to involve higher costs with broad gauge operations. After all, broad gauge construction and maintenance -- especially at nearly a full foot wider -- is much more expensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24160 Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Lex said: I wouldn't be surprised to find the logic behind it to involve higher costs with broad gauge operations. After all, broad gauge construction and maintenance -- especially at nearly a full foot wider -- is much more expensive. IIRC, they went with that for better cornering and stability, but I don't think it ever showed to be better than standard gauge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24161 Posted June 1, 2020 Has anyone else noticed since the Coney Island and Jamiaca Yard swap finished theres been an increase in train BIE's and door problems on the and ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 1, 2020 Share #24162 Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Has anyone else noticed since the Coney Island and Jamiaca Yard swap finished theres been an increase in train BIE's and door problems on the and ? yes, due to those broke-busted R46s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24163 Posted June 2, 2020 13 hours ago, Deucey said: The rest of BART is at 5'6" broad gauge. eBart is running DMUs and if it's expanded to the Central Valley, since the grades on the Diablo Range hit 5-7%, either the tracks and Hwy 4 have to be rebuilt to run on the actual Pittsburg line, or it's going to take a meandering route to a canyon or valley which reduces speed. You could also run standard gauge EMUs, which is what CalTrain is doing. 12 hours ago, Lex said: I wouldn't be surprised to find the logic behind it to involve higher costs with broad gauge operations. After all, broad gauge construction and maintenance -- especially at nearly a full foot wider -- is much more expensive. This is the explicit reason for eBART existing. If BART could be rebuilt today it would probably be a standard gauge system similar to DC Metro. 10 hours ago, Deucey said: IIRC, they went with that for better cornering and stability, but I don't think it ever showed to be better than standard gauge. There was a whole lotta politics involved too, including but not limited to drinking too much of their own train of the future Kool-aid, so a bunch of aerospace engineers decided reinventing wheels was going to be worth it somehow SP not wanting direct competition or to be bought out, hence a totally incompatible gauge being chosen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24164 Posted June 2, 2020 Been riding the subway more often these past couple of days, ridership is still light, but some noteworthy things happened today.... The R160 train I rode, one of the doors got stuck in my car and the C/R had to come and cut out that problematic door, trip was smooth sailing from there on out. Transferred at Canal for the Broadway BMT, a 160 showed up first, went express, train was empty and it hauled ass down the Broadway Express, very fun ride. Coming home, took the train home and got an 179, at 14th street, an express caught up to my and both trains arrived at Canal at the same time, got the lineup first and went ahead at Canal. Normally, when a train goes in front of the at Canal St, usually the blows past it around the Clifton - Washington Stop. But this time, that same train that was right behind my didn't catch up until Rockaway Ave! I wonder what delayed that train, it was a 179 and was tempted to transfer in Manhattan, but it was more crowded than my and thus harder to social distance. Also the seems to running on 7 minute headways. Riding the subway during this pandemic has been fun, little to no dwell time, trains are practically empty, etc. I was in quarantine for most of the pandemic, but started venturing out more often now that Covid-19 has died down a bit, thus it "feels" safer to travel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24165 Posted June 2, 2020 23 minutes ago, trainfan22 said: Covid-19 has died down a bit, What makes you think it died down any bit? 🤨 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deucey Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24166 Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, bobtehpanda said: You could also run standard gauge EMUs, which is what CalTrain is doing. Caltrain runs in the "valley" on the peninsula. All the hills/mountains are on the west side of I-280 (if you like driving hard on curves, drive Skyline Blvd/CA-35 to get your twists, straightaways, drops and a panoramic view of the entire Bay Area.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24167 Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, CenSin said: What makes you think it died down any bit? 🤨 That the city will start to reopen June 8th? I will say, it's crazy how the protests have damn near knocked Covid-19 out of the news cycle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Around the Horn Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24168 Posted June 2, 2020 9 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Has anyone else noticed since the Coney Island and Jamiaca Yard swap finished theres been an increase in train BIE's and door problems on the and ? I haven't seen recent data but as of February there was actually a decrease in delays and faster run times after the swap began. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24169 Posted June 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Deucey said: Caltrain runs in the "valley" on the peninsula. All the hills/mountains are on the west side of I-280 (if you like driving hard on curves, drive Skyline Blvd/CA-35 to get your twists, straightaways, drops and a panoramic view of the entire Bay Area.) If you want to go up hills fast, two things matter; your torque and friction. The former is provided with electric motors, and the latter is why some metros go for rubber tires. Broad gauge has nothing to do with hill climbing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CenSin Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24170 Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, trainfan22 said: 3 hours ago, CenSin said: What makes you think it died down any bit? 🤨 That the city will start to reopen June 8th? I will say, it's crazy how the protests have damn near knocked Covid-19 out of the news cycle. The protests are exactly what will bring COVID-19 back to full strength. We had people socially distancing until Memorial Day. Then the protesters and rioters amassed in huge groups. Then the police amassed in huge groups. A lot of them didn’t even wear masks. Cuomo, being the proud man that he is, would not backpedal on his commitment to reopening on June 8 of course. Come June 30, we might see an uptick in positive cases again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkstar8983 Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24171 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) Looks like the are running close to weekday rush hour service levels now Edited June 2, 2020 by darkstar8983 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24172 Posted June 2, 2020 11 hours ago, CenSin said: The protests are exactly what will bring COVID-19 back to full strength. We had people socially distancing until Memorial Day. Then the protesters and rioters amassed in huge groups. Then the police amassed in huge groups. A lot of them didn’t even wear masks. Cuomo, being the proud man that he is, would not backpedal on his commitment to reopening on June 8 of course. Come June 30, we might see an uptick in positive cases again. I don' think there will be an uptick, just like there wasn't after the Michigan protests, or spring break in Florida. I'm sure Cuomo will walk back on his commitment to reopen if NYC doesn't meet the metrics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bklyn Bound 2 Local Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24173 Posted June 2, 2020 closure alternatives (post COVID) Why doesn't the send the down to Canarsie? It would boost the tph to 15 from the 's current 6-7 tph due to the closure. And not only that, the can run from Broad Street to Canarsie or from Jamaica Center to Canarsie thanks to the relay tracks outside Broadway Junction. And since the isn't running many trains, some of the 's cars could be sent to the , maybe even some R143's. Since the is the #1 replacement for the , it would make service better and be a great G.O. to document. Another alternative could be sending the spare R46's from the onto the since the is the 's #2 replacement. The would not suffer i this scenario because the is implementing CBTC on the Queens Blvd Line, so R46's cannot run on the lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 2, 2020 Share #24174 Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/mta-resuming-full-service-next-week-wants-help-from-volunteers/?fbclid=IwAR2NMItkZhAsEfZxxSRFo9ZOMjXXaMuJqeB7vdk07fLL3YVaygTR1AMMeLE : Article about full service on the MTA NYC system Full service resumes next week, but, let's see https://nypost.com/2020/06/01/retailers-cancel-reopenings-amid-protests-over-george-floyds-killing/?fbclid=IwAR3WobPBdiVBxS7Q8xfx1Ng9ujVGMlaTRPGeen2sOFF5hfWdW9GXYpstyso : Retail stores cancelled reopening at that week due to chaos that has happened this week. Edited June 2, 2020 by Calvin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted June 4, 2020 Share #24175 Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) There's a talk that starting Monday, the 8th, the and Express service will return in-passenger service. The put-ins/drop-offs at 111 St may come back. Edited June 4, 2020 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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