Threxx Posted March 21, 2012 Share #101 Posted March 21, 2012 YAY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 11, 2012 Author Share #102 Posted April 11, 2012 I was really looking forward to riding these babies sooner. I think you said that some could be assigned to an SBS in Brooklyn. I guess I'll have to be patient. But, thanks for the info. The original word was that some of them may have run out of Flatbush Depot, but because nothing is final, and the award has been pushed back 3 times, we likely won't know any real details until this fall at the earlist. I was really looking forward to seeing them this year as well. New Flyer has been having some issues with the Xcelsior model's electrical system, and a few other minor issues. Hopefully things are under control, and the award won't be pushed back any further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share #103 Posted April 22, 2012 At this time, the TA is still in talks with New Flyer about the articulated evaluation, and exactly what buses they may order. MTA continues to evaluate the pros and cons of introducing hybrid articulated buses, and where they would go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted April 22, 2012 Share #104 Posted April 22, 2012 At this time, the TA is still in talks with New Flyer about the articulated evaluation, and exactly what buses they may order. MTA continues to evaluate the pros and cons of introducing hybrid articulated buses, and where they would go. hybrids would be nice! but i really hope its that XD60!! if the front looks like the XD40 with the top that would be the best bus in system!! i really want them to have that cummins isl and allison b400r or a b500r "dont mind" transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion VII 4 Life Posted April 22, 2012 Share #105 Posted April 22, 2012 Even if they won't be hybrid, I'd still want the LFR instead of the Xcelsior. I'd be fine with both, but I really want to see the LFR hit the streets here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted April 26, 2012 Author Share #106 Posted April 26, 2012 The New Flyer Articulated threads have been merged together to reflect possible changes to future procurement. MTA remains in talks with New Flyer about the LFR and Xcelsior artics as they continue to evaluate the pros and cons of hybrid buses. It is a possibility that the MTA will not order the Allison DE60LFR hybrids, and opt for the Xcelsior diesel if and when the bus successfully completes the shaker testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted May 2, 2012 Author Share #107 Posted May 2, 2012 The next BTE award now scheduled for June. At this time, the DE60LFR's are still under review, and this award may end up being for XD60's. Stay tuned! It's only one month away now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted May 2, 2012 Share #108 Posted May 2, 2012 The next BTE award now scheduled for June. At this time, the DE60LFR's are still under review, and this award may end up being for XD60's. Stay tuned! It's only one month away now. YESS!!!!! XD60's!!!! I HOPE THIS IS OFFICIAL!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted May 3, 2012 Share #109 Posted May 3, 2012 I see this model has little platforms so the seats over the middle wheel could be raised over it. Why don't they just do that for the front wheel, instead of continuing to waste the space (what I always didn't like about LF's. OF course, now, on the driver's side, the space it used for a compartment for the driver's stuff). (This site has a floor map: http://www.jncorporation.ca/hsr/bus/newflyer_de60lfr.htm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPotPie Posted May 3, 2012 Share #110 Posted May 3, 2012 There needs to be room for a wheelchair to get through. Placing seats over the front wheelwell would violate ADA laws as wheelchair users wouldn't be able to board the bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted May 4, 2012 Share #111 Posted May 4, 2012 The next BTE award now scheduled for June. At this time, the DE60LFR's are still under review, and this award may end up being for XD60's. Stay tuned! It's only one month away now. *keeps fingers crossed* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngblaze Posted June 8, 2012 Share #112 Posted June 8, 2012 Any update regarding the XD60's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share #113 Posted June 24, 2012 XN60 Rendering Courtesy T. Logan Jr.; Photo Courtesy New Flyer New Flyer "Xcelsior" XD60 $63,689,941 est. -75 standard configuration articulated buses. Allison B400R, Thermo King HVAC, hydraulic cooling system, LED headlamps, disk brake -15 optional configuration: ZF Transmission *Pilot expected immediately as 2 are already built. • Preliminary depot Assignments and fleet numbers (Subject to change) Quill, Kingsbridge & Tuskegee 1000-1089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GojiMet86 Posted June 24, 2012 Share #114 Posted June 24, 2012 It looks like a big, long sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog14 Posted June 24, 2012 Share #115 Posted June 24, 2012 -15 optional configuration: ZF Transmission 1000-1089 A ZF in a Xcelsior? Well ill be.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted June 24, 2012 Share #116 Posted June 24, 2012 A ZF in a Xcelsior? Well ill be.... its prolly gonna sound like the lbss in ours now oohh my dream!!! i cant wait!!! xd60!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted June 24, 2012 Share #117 Posted June 24, 2012 Interesting, didn't expect these buses this soon! I still was hoping that the LFRs was coming first if at all, riding a hybrid Artic would be dope. Especially to see how good it accelerates compared to the 40 foot Hybrids. I'm happy to hear these will have the Allison transmission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted June 26, 2012 Share #118 Posted June 26, 2012 I am SUPER excited about this! I wish they were ordering more than 90 buses but I understand what they are doing. I hope they do very well here. When can we expect the first of these to hit the city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmouse Posted June 27, 2012 Share #119 Posted June 27, 2012 Wait so no DE60LFRs? At All? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted June 27, 2012 Author Share #120 Posted June 27, 2012 UPDATE: There was a change in the depot assignments for the XD60's. They are now slated to go to Quill, Kingsbridge, and Gun Hill. Tuskegee is out. Delivery of the first of the buses to Quill is expected by years end. A ZF in a Xcelsior? Well ill be.... Yessir! I am SUPER excited about this! I wish they were ordering more than 90 buses but I understand what they are doing. I hope they do very well here. When can we expect the first of these to hit the city? August Wait so no DE60LFRs? At All? As of right now it was put on hold, and it is highly likely that the TA may not even test the bus. Interesting, didn't expect these buses this soon! I still was hoping that the LFRs was coming first if at all, riding a hybrid Artic would be dope. Especially to see how good it accelerates compared to the 40 foot Hybrids. I'm happy to hear these will have the Allison transmission. New Flyer passed the second shaker test on the XD60, so the order will now proceed, and almost back to it's original schedule. Since 1000 and 1001 are already built, things should progress quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted June 27, 2012 Share #121 Posted June 27, 2012 Excellent update as always, thank you sir! I guess that means more hand-me-downs for Tuskegee, oh well. Quill's fleet is fine as is, I think, but I guess the MTA disagrees. Can't wait to see Xcelsiors in the city! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted June 27, 2012 Share #122 Posted June 27, 2012 Is 1000 and 1001 demo.buse.... or the first 2 buses of the mta order?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted June 27, 2012 Share #123 Posted June 27, 2012 Wait so no DE60LFRs? At All? The TA probably shouldn't even bother getting the LFR's at this point - it's likely only a matter of time before NFI discontinues the LFR series in favor of the Xcelsior models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share #124 Posted June 28, 2012 Excellent update as always, thank you sir! I guess that means more hand-me-downs for Tuskegee, oh well. Quill's fleet is fine as is, I think, but I guess the MTA disagrees. Can't wait to see Xcelsiors in the city! Hold off on that assignment for a sec. There is one depot in question. There will be updates and changes all night. Is 1000 and 1001 demo.buse.... or the first 2 buses of the mta order?? Both. They will begin as demos. If the MTA tells New Flyer to proceed after one of them has been tested in revenue service, they will then become the pilots for the order. The TA probably shouldn't even bother getting the LFR's at this point - it's likely only a matter of time before NFI discontinues the LFR series in favor of the Xcelsior models. Actually, this can go two ways. Test out the Allison on the LFR Platform. The maintenance costs/inventory for many parts will be common to the C40LF's. This would likely be a good deal for MTA anyway. When they go out for future hybrids, they will have had a chance to evaluate the Allison product. Or, just wait till the Xcelsior is qualified, and worry about hybrids in the future.(What the seems to be leading towards) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RailBus63 Posted June 28, 2012 Share #125 Posted June 28, 2012 Actually, this can go two ways. Test out the Allison on the LFR Platform. The maintenance costs/inventory for many parts will be common to the C40LF's. This would likely be a good deal for MTA anyway. When they go out for future hybrids, they will have had a chance to evaluate the Allison product. Or, just wait till the Xcelsior is qualified, and worry about hybrids in the future.(What the seems to be leading towards) Unless the TA has a burning desire to test out the Allison system right away, they might as well wait and test it out on a model that they could get for years in the future. The LFR's do share parts with the regular LF's but the front and back end caps and the doors are all different. Unless the technology takes a major leap forward, I'm skeptical about the application of a parallel-hybrid bus in NYC's heavy traffic. The one study that was done a few years back showed that series-hybrid buses do better in stop & go traffic. Anecdotally, I've also heard that Buffalo's NFTA is getting better performance with their Gillig hybrid buses on the longer routes than the busier urban routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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