m2fwannabe Posted December 13, 2017 Share #6876 Posted December 13, 2017 According to AM New York, the full CBTC cutover on 7 is now delayed until "spring." That's probably June of 2018. Looks like those 3 R-62A trains (as of last Friday) will be hanging on for a little while longer. The quote below explains how things have gone so far in the greatest detail I've seen to date. Lingering hardware and software issues have plagued the project — now about 91 percent complete — though the MTA has begun incrementally using the new signals. It began relying on them during overnight hours between Main Street to 74th Street stations in February, and expanded to daytime off-peak hours in June. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted December 13, 2017 Share #6877 Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, m2fwannabe said: According to AM New York, the full CBTC cutover on 7 is now delayed until "spring." That's probably June of 2018. Looks like those 3 R-62A trains (as of last Friday) will be hanging on for a little while longer. The quote below explains how things have gone so far in the greatest detail I've seen to date. Lingering hardware and software issues have plagued the project — now about 91 percent complete — though the MTA has begun incrementally using the new signals. It began relying on them during overnight hours between Main Street to 74th Street stations in February, and expanded to daytime off-peak hours in June. The "new signals" in the quote are the new fixed-block signals that will operate as a backup to CBTC, if I'm not mistaken. Edited December 13, 2017 by P3F 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 6, 2018 Share #6878 Posted January 6, 2018 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6879 Posted January 7, 2018 (edited) Are any more R188s planned to receive the new destination displays? Edited January 7, 2018 by Bosco 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTK246 Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6880 Posted January 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bosco said: Are any more R188s planned to receive the new destination displays? God I hope not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6881 Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, CTK246 said: God I hope not Why not? Some of the old ones are on their way to being illegible, even though it's common sense to know where the train is going. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6882 Posted January 7, 2018 What’s up with the green circle though?! They could have just had the Red diamond. The green is Not needed! On the R62a’s it makes sense because the is a green line, that’s typically Local. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P3F Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6883 Posted January 7, 2018 If the MTA wasn't being cheap, they would have installed a full color LCD for the number designation, which would properly display or instead of the red and green nonsense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted January 7, 2018 Share #6884 Posted January 7, 2018 2 hours ago, VIP said: What’s up with the green circle though?! They could have just had the Red diamond. The green is Not needed! On the R62a’s it makes sense because the is a green line, that’s typically Local. The green circle/red diamond actually started on the , when the bulk of the R62As were still there. When the R62As were transferred to the , they kept the displays intact. It has nothing to do with what color the route is. 1 hour ago, P3F said: If the MTA wasn't being cheap, they would have installed a full color LCD for the number designation, which would properly display or instead of the red and green nonsense. I'm not a fan of the new LED signs but as others have said, those old LCD signs need to go. Even the ones on the R142 are crapping out left and right. IMO, they should just install full LCD side signs for the R142s and R142As since they're nearing their midlife stage anyway. At the very least, the R211s will have full color LCD signs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance Posted January 8, 2018 Share #6885 Posted January 8, 2018 19 hours ago, VIP said: What’s up with the green circle though?! They could have just had the Red diamond. The green is Not needed! On the R62a’s it makes sense because the is a green line, that’s typically Local. To add on to previous comments, it's for legibility purposes. Riders can easily distinguish local and express trains with the green circles and red diamonds respectively. On 1/6/2018 at 9:32 PM, Bosco said: Are any more R188s planned to receive the new destination displays? I hope so. As mentioned, the present LCD signs are rapidly approaching the end of their useful life cycles, something that is readily becoming apparent given how bad they look now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted January 16, 2018 Share #6886 Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 11:17 AM, Lance said: To add on to previous comments, it's for legibility purposes. Riders can easily distinguish local and express trains with the green circles and red diamonds respectively. I hope so. As mentioned, the present LCD signs are rapidly approaching the end of their useful life cycles, something that is readily becoming apparent given how bad they look now. This is a big problem as many of the LCD's are not working and it on both old and new sets It's already annoying enough to determine if a train express or local, but when the sign is out, it's even worse. Every time a train pulls up it's a mad rush to get seats, Even 3 seconds of hesitation results in either having to stand or take the next train. The Circles and diamonds made it easier for everyone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2fwannabe Posted January 18, 2018 Share #6887 Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/7/2018 at 5:38 PM, Bosco said: The green circle/red diamond actually started on the , when the bulk of the R62As were still there. When the R62As were transferred to the , they kept the displays intact. It has nothing to do with what color the route is. The real issue with the R-62A circle and diamond signs on several years ago was to try and effectively communicate the train's status (Local or Express) in a hurry and in a crowded ridership environment. The hope was to eliminate the clumsy procedure to crank the bullet signs, or heavy reliance on sometimes unclear PA announcements. Plus the light-up platform signs can be wrongly set if a harried personnel swap happens for any one of many reasons (i.e. switching, signal, equipment or crewing issues). The has just happened to inherit this part of the R-62A's legacy. With the R-62A's mostly gone or going by 2016, and many passengers thus having no way to know routings in a hurry (whereas you often can't see the end red LED at Main Street), that, basically, was what the 7506-10 pilot was all about in 2016. The idea was to make things as basic and simple as possible because the track assignments and terminal times at Main Street are by nature chaotic. Riders have to decide which train they board within seconds of its arrival, but the end LED route indicator signs are only visible at the very north (Roosevelt Ave.) end of the consist. Understand also that on the in particular, many riders don't readily recognize English as a first language, so they night not necessarily comprehend a "standard" (traditional) signage array, be they fixed or flashing displays. That's how they were built into the original R-142A side signs and later the R-188's, having no circles or diamonds at all. The has just happened to inherit that part of the R-142A's legacy. To my knowledge, given the renowned diversity of Queens there are at least five predominant languages in the mixed territories encountered on a typical line passage (English, Russian, Spanish, Chinese, Korean), and probably more than that. Scrolling that many tongues as part of the (destination) scroll would be impractical, so summarizing the routing with the colors and shapes instead of the many written languages (which could also possibly incorporate Cyrillic, Chinese and Korean phoenetics were it to be attempted) is the next most effective alternative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 21, 2018 Share #6888 Posted February 21, 2018 If this fits the topic: for the next 3 weeks, all trains are local: one making all stops with another during the rush hour to/from 74 St then goes on the middle track to Mets-Wilets Point reducing train traffic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R179 8258 Posted February 21, 2018 Share #6889 Posted February 21, 2018 Did the loose all their R142As to the when the conversion sets wee finish being built ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted February 21, 2018 Share #6890 Posted February 21, 2018 22 minutes ago, R179 8258 said: Did the loose all their R142As to the when the conversion sets wee finish being built ? Yes, but not when the conversion was finished. The also got it’s service reduced too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosco Posted February 21, 2018 Share #6891 Posted February 21, 2018 12 hours ago, VIP said: Yes, but not when the conversion was finished. The also got it’s service reduced too. That is thanks to SAS; the requirement on the is slightly lower now. Also, there is still one R142A floating around IINM. 15 hours ago, Calvin said: If this fits the topic: for the next 3 weeks, all trains are local: one making all stops with another during the rush hour to/from 74 St then goes on the middle track to Mets-Wilets Point reducing train traffic. I don't see how capacity is greatly affected. Instead of merging before/after 33 St, they do so around 74 St. Also, hopefully after this construction will CBTC be any closer to happening? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted February 21, 2018 Share #6892 Posted February 21, 2018 Not to sure on that, and also, the R142A at Westchester is in storage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6893 Posted March 18, 2018 1916-20 & 1961-65 went back to the this past week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIP Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6894 Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, jon2305 said: 1916-20 & 1961-65 went back to the this past week. 👏🏽👏🏽 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawrence St Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6895 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) Somebody please tell me why there are R62A's with LED's on the Shuttle and a regular R62A set with non-LED's on the ... Edited March 18, 2018 by Lawrence St 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R68OnBroadway Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6896 Posted March 18, 2018 9 hours ago, jon2305 said: 1916-20 & 1961-65 went back to the this past week. Does this mean all 62As are off the ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LGA Link N Train Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6897 Posted March 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Lawrence St said: Somebody please tell me why there are R62A's with LED's on the Shuttle and a regular R62A set with non-LED's on the ... It would make more sense if swapped these R62A's from the to the 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jon2305 Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6898 Posted March 18, 2018 1 hour ago, LGA Link N train said: It would make more sense if swapped these R62A's from the to the Those R62As with LED lights 1921-22-25 were on the briefly as a 5-car consist, until they moved them back over to the over a year ago. No clue as to why they decided to break them up into 3 cars and move them to the besides giving them the atrocious as some like to call them "Coumo treatment". It's funny to me how this particular fleet has been passed around some subway lines like "hot potato" over the years. 3 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: Does this mean all 62As are off the ? There should be a few more left, but certain times you only see them on the road mostly during peak hours. Supposedly, they'll be gone from the by this upcoming spring, that is of course if CBTC is activated and nothing serious have occurred with the R188s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAlam Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6899 Posted March 18, 2018 I was on the today and got off at 74th st and noticed the sign for CBTC. I didn't get a chance to see the signals, but it seems that they are almost ready to go if they haven't already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted March 18, 2018 Share #6900 Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, R68OnBroadway said: Does this mean all 62As are off the ? When all the R188s are housed at Corona Yard, then yes. There may be 5 single cars left but for work service. *Once CBTC is online on the entire Flushing line, then the would not have a car shortage problem and the schedule should be back up. Also, in opiniion, it's strange seeing 1921-1922 and 1925 as a 3-car train but with 2 cars 1923-4 as single cars. If they were put together, they can be used for the to reduce the shortage. Edited March 18, 2018 by Calvin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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