L Train Service Between Brooklyn & Manhattan May Be Shut Down For Years

[Trainmaster5]

But don't you know that the congestion on 14th St will make it hard for buses to reach Resorts World Casino, which will make Genting, the big Malaysian property developer, very angry, causing them to pull investment from the giant convention center at Aqueduct that Cuomo wants, resulting in De Blasio's loss in the 2017 election because Cuomo won't fund the Rockaway Beach reactivation out of spite? /s

You and Lance forgot the part where the Democratic, Republican, Conservative, Green, Liberal and Tea parties bring suit against any New York politician who has the nerve, the audacity, to undertake a run for national office because of the and the shutdown. There, I think we've covered all bases for now. Carry on.

[Daniel The Cool]

Ok here's a new plan I drew up that might work:

 

still terminates at Lorimer, buses stay the same, however;

 

One train runs as a shuttle between Essex St and Chambers St; train riders coming from the can get off at Essex Street and use shuttle buses to get to First and Third Avenue's.

 

To get to 14 St, they can use the (or depending on the time) down to 14 St.

 

To get to 8th Avenue, there can be a shuttle bus that departs from Wycoff Avenue that can be sent non stop to Franklin Avenue and transfer to the to 14 Street.

 

However, late night service has to be extended to 42 St or Bowling Green to composite for late riders.

 

Why do you think?

What does the have to do with the Shutdown?

[Fresh Pond]

Ok here's a new plan I drew up that might work:

 

still terminates at Lorimer, buses stay the same, however;

 

One train runs as a shuttle between Essex St and Chambers St; train riders coming from the can get off at Essex Street and use shuttle buses to get to First and Third Avenue's.

 

To get to 14 St, they can use the (or depending on the time) down to 14 St.

 

To get to 8th Avenue, there can be a shuttle bus that departs from Wycoff Avenue that can be sent non stop to Franklin Avenue and transfer to the to 14 Street.

 

However, late night service has to be extended to 42 St or Bowling Green to composite for late riders.

 

Why do you think?

-They can just transfer to the at Broadway Junction...Or the itself at Myrtle-Wyckoff. Why run a shuttle train from Essex to Broad when the is right there. Take the to Essex and take the M14A which stops at 1 Av & 3 Av...and Union Sq, and 6 Av, and 8 Av.

 

-To get to 8 Av, take the to the junction and catch the or from there

 

-What does the have to do with this?

[bobtehpanda]

I wish they didn't have to go through all of this nonsense and get it over with. One egregious example is when the Bayonne Bridge was having studies done fore its reconstruction, historic buildings that weren't nearby got into the mess of it. I wish that they would do it as quickly as possible so work can finally get started. Sheesh.

 

The studies account for impacts of construction as well; historic buildings are particularly subsceptible to these.

 

The studies exist for a reason, and they take so long because if they don't they might screw something up badly.

[Javier]

-They can just transfer to the at Broadway Junction...Or the itself at Myrtle-Wyckoff. Why run a shuttle train from Essex to Broad when the is right there. Take the to Essex and take the M14A which stops at 1 Av & 3 Av...and Union Sq, and 6 Av, and 8 Av.

 

-To get to 8 Av, take the to the junction and catch the or from there

 

-What does the have to do with this?

Ignore the I meant that for the other thread lol

[Wallyhorse]

The studies account for impacts of construction as well; historic buildings are particularly subsceptible to these.

 

The studies exist for a reason, and they take so long because if they don't they might screw something up badly.

That makes sense on historic buildings.  The LAST thing they want to do is damage those in construction/reconstruction.  Many of those buildings likely pre-date a lot of today's infrastructure and in many cases likely were not built in the same way many buildings have in the last century. 

[Javier]

But for the buses, it's gonna take 1 minute to get from Lormier to Marcy Avenue, so we can run 4 buses every 4 minutes between the two stations.

[BreeddekalbL]

But don't you know that the congestion on 14th St will make it hard for buses to reach Resorts World Casino, which will make Genting, the big Malaysian property developer, very angry, causing them to pull investment from the giant convention center at Aqueduct that Cuomo wants, resulting in De Blasio's loss in the 2017 election because Cuomo won't fund the Rockaway Beach reactivation out of spite? /s

 

do you think cuomo could force that stupid queensway in there?

[Wallyhorse]

But for the buses, it's gonna take 1 minute to get from Lormier to Marcy Avenue, so we can run 4 buses every 4 minutes between the two stations.

Shuttle buses between Lorimer and Marcy if that can be done would help a lot.  Also would help the would do the OOS transfer between Hewes Street and the Broadway station to try to keep some riders away from Court Square.

[Wallyhorse]

Now we know the shutdown won't happen until 2019:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/train-tunnel-close-2019-article-1.2603362

This should give the sufficient time to figure out how to handle everything on this.

This apparently will include work being done on the 1st and Bedford Avenue stations during such shutdown.

[N6 Limited]

Now we know the shutdown won't happen until 2019:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/train-tunnel-close-2019-article-1.2603362

 

This should give the sufficient time to figure out how to handle everything on this.

 

This apparently will include work being done on the 1st and Bedford Avenue stations during such shutdown.

The MTA should piggy back most of their maintenance if they can.

[Lance]

That's likely what they're going to do.

 

 

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[Wallyhorse]

You would think that:

You have to wonder if before then (and especially with 2018 being a Gubernatorial election year) we will see pols come out of the woodwork demanding the keep the Manhattan side of the running between 1st and 8th Avenues during such shutdown, citing fears of gridlock plus the fact those who live east of 1st Avenue have few subway options overall as the reasons.

[Lance]

Spoiler alert: there is always going to be something that comes up whenever they decide to shut down the tunnels. If we start basing service disruptions around non-events, we'll never get anything done. They're waiting until 2019 to make sure everything else is ready for the suspension. They likely want to leave enough cushion to ensure the prerequisite work on the Myrtle Ave line, along with the station improvements at Court Sq, is fully completed before beginning work on the .

 

By the way, if they plan to work on 1 Avenue during the tube closure, which is pretty much agreed upon, it'll be unlikely they'll be able to run shuttle trains there.

[Javier]

That's likely what they're going to do.

 

 

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There's an app for this site now?

[CenSin]

You would think that:

 

You have to wonder if before then (and especially with 2018 being a Gubernatorial election year) we will see pols come out of the woodwork demanding the keep the Manhattan side of the running between 1st and 8th Avenues during such shutdown

Yes, the state funds the MTA, but it can’t make decisions for the MTA.

 

citing fears of gridlock plus the fact those who live east of 1st Avenue have few subway options overall as the reasons.

Citing fears of a problem that will be non-existent

 

By the way, if they plan to work on 1 Avenue during the tube closure, which is pretty much agreed upon, it'll be unlikely they'll be able to run shuttle trains there.

This is exactly what’s going to make the politicians STFU. The MTA can do A or B, but not both. Which cause has the stronger politicians?

[Fresh Pond]

You would think that:

 

You have to wonder if before then (and especially with 2018 being a Gubernatorial election year) we will see pols come out of the woodwork demanding the keep the Manhattan side of the running between 1st and 8th Avenues during such shutdown, citing fears of gridlock plus the fact those who live east of 1st Avenue have few subway options overall as the reasons.

M14D...They have the M14D...

[BreeddekalbL]

they better not kneecap this project and do it with the quicker shutdown option 

[Train92]

About the Shutdown: My mom has a job in Williamsburg and she needs to take the to the to the B24. I suggested when the shutdown comes, she has a couple of options:

 

1. -> -> B24

 

2. -> -> B24

 

3. -> -> B24

 

(keep in mind this is during AM Rush)

 

My question is which one is faster?

 

[Lance]

Yes, the state funds the MTA, but it can’t make decisions for the MTA.

 

Citing fears of a problem that will be non-existent

 

This is exactly what’s going to make the politicians STFU. The MTA can do A or B, but not both. Which cause has the stronger politicians?

It won't stop them from asking though...

 

M14D...They have the M14D...

Along with the additional buses the MTA plans on running during the closure.

 

they better not kneecap this project and do it with the quicker shutdown option 

My sentiments exactly. It's bad enough this project is expected to take somewhere around 18 months to three years easily, which will be at least eight years following the devastating effects of Superstorm Sandy. If they start giving concessions to every non-event like Wallyhorse wants, we'll be talking about this project through 2025. We're always talking about how unfair it is for Canarsie riders to deal with no service at all for about two years, but I think it's even more unfair to force them to endure five years of on and off again service disruptions when they had to deal with the exact same thing just a few years ago when the MTA was installing CBTC to the line.

[onthe1train]

Shuttle buses between Lorimer and Marcy if that can be done would help a lot.  Also would help the would do the OOS transfer between Hewes Street and the Broadway station to try to keep some riders away from Court Square.

 

If they do that they have to open the north entrance at Hewes St. The current entrance is too far to be convenient. But that apparently brings in ADA concerns.

 

I'm not entirely certain on the details, but because the entrances are not ADA compliant they possibly can't be reopened.

[checkmatechamp13]

About the Shutdown: My mom has a job in Williamsburg and she needs to take the to the to the B24. I suggested when the shutdown comes, she has a couple of options:

 

1. -> -> B24

 

2. -> -> B24

 

3. -> -> B24

 

(keep in mind this is during AM Rush)

 

My question is which one is faster?

 

I'd go with the first option. The runs more frequently than the and you're on the train for a shorter amount of time (plus, you don't have to deal with the slow crawl over the Williamsburg Bridge)

 

The should be a little bit quicker than the , but I think the is more delay-prone in general. (Also, if you live near one of the Concourse Express stations, it might swing your decision a little more towards the ).

[CenSin]

If they do that they have to open the north entrance at Hewes St. The current entrance is too far to be convenient. But that apparently brings in ADA concerns.

 

I'm not entirely certain on the details, but because the entrances are not ADA compliant they possibly can't be reopened.

Another nice thing stolen away by ADA

[Wallyhorse]

Spoiler alert: there is always going to be something that comes up whenever they decide to shut down the tunnels. If we start basing service disruptions around non-events, we'll never get anything done. They're waiting until 2019 to make sure everything else is ready for the suspension. They likely want to leave enough cushion to ensure the prerequisite work on the Myrtle Ave line, along with the station improvements at Court Sq, is fully completed before beginning work on the .

 

By the way, if they plan to work on 1 Avenue during the tube closure, which is pretty much agreed upon, it'll be unlikely they'll be able to run shuttle trains there.

Definitely, but it would not surprise me if some pols between now and then demand a shuttle operate between 1st and 8th Avenue so appease constituents who actually use that part of the as the 14th Street crosstown (and yes, I agree the part on working on new entrances likely will cause them to STFU but given how some are, I can't say for sure they would be smart enough to do that).

Another nice thing stolen away by ADA

Or shall we say the unintended consequences of the ADA.

[chenvinny54]

The stops there too, though. And since it's local, it'll be a lot less crowded.

Also, in the future, the at broadway as the proposal to transfer to the , by putting its station at Union Av, they should be the top priority, since how sad and unfair the one seat ride of going to Union Square is ruined. Maybe this line at Canarise doesnt have enough hope to last long against any flooding, or they shouldnt implant a storm drain above the subway line too close to the river or ocean. That was where the water flew down through, so perished the active track.

 

Which probably represents a decent chunk of riders.

 

Needless to say, they're going to have to implement some type of free transfer from the to the . Between the existing Greenpoint riders taking the to the , and the new riders who would have to do so, you can't accommodate all of them on the B48.

 

Expanding the ferry service would help a little bit, but only for the people living near the waterfront. And there's no way you could run those ferries frequently enough to match the capacity of a subway line. Shuttle buses going over the Williamsburg Bridge & through the QMT, once again, same capacity issues.

 

The and connecting buses will probably take up most of the capacity, with the remaining riders taking the or B32/62 over to the . And then the remaining handful taking ferries, or if somebody starts up some kind of express bus from Bushwick or Williamsburg, taking that.

Then at broadway station, moving the to union av for a straight thru transfer should be a top priority in case something bad happens on the line, since its terminus in brooklyn is near the sea, where the water had been flew through the storm drain, that is why the active track there is perished, and causing a huge delay forcing customers to take alternative routes or shuttle buses.

Therfore, the storm drain shouldnt be placed near the sea at Canarise in case of flooding due to any incoming inclement weather.