BUS - Random Thoughts Thread

[OIG119]

14 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

There starting to put farebeating ads on the buses. Most times the're the only ad.

Museum bus 8466 now has one of those ads.

[Cait Sith]

4 hours ago, lara8710 said:

If the Bx15 and Bx36 were both SBS routes, fare beating would go down, and I say this because that's when you get surprise fare inspectors to see if each individual passenger has paid a fare, and you can never anticipate when and where they'll see you. Those who either have a suspicious receipt or don't have one at all get escorted off the bus and cited.

If I'm not mistaken my mom once told me that an entire River LINE train in NJ had to be taken out of service because so many passengers didn't pay their fares before boarding. Perhaps the same could happen with SBS buses? Probably...

I wouldn't necessarily say it would go down.....but the surprise inspectors makes things hilarious!

One time I was on a Bx41-SBS heading towards the hub....and when we got to Webster/Tremont, the inspectors were there and the operator was like "ALL TICKETS PLEASE!".

The minute he said that, almost the entire bus ran out of the bus trying to avoid the inspectors to no avail....since there were cops too.

[Via Garibaldi 8]

13 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

There starting to put farebeating ads on the buses. Most times the're the only ad.

It's starting. I don't know how many undercover folks they have out there, but this morning there was a plethora of cops all over Columbus Circle and they clearly were making their presence known. They were not checking bags either because no tables were out.

[Brillant93]

10 minutes ago, Cait Sith said:

I wouldn't necessarily say it would go down.....but the surprise inspectors makes things hilarious!

One time I was on a Bx41-SBS heading towards the hub....and when we got to Webster/Tremont, the inspectors were there and the operator was like "ALL TICKETS PLEASE!".

The minute he said that, almost the entire bus ran out of the bus trying to avoid the inspectors to no avail....since there were cops too.

A few years ago when I used to take the B44 sbs to my old job I saw like a few people act like they had their tickets or lost it. It was hilarious because we all know most of us on the bus paid. 

I do know farebeating is way worse in the Bronx. 

[Future ENY OP]

39 minutes ago, Lil 57 said:

There starting to put farebeating ads on the buses. Most times the're the only ad.

Is it a full exterior or the sticker outside the bus along with fare information. 

Edited December 20, 2018 by Future ENY OP

[Via Garibaldi 8]

6 minutes ago, Brillant93 said:

A few years ago when I used to take the B44 sbs to my old job I saw like a few people act like they had their tickets or lost it. It was hilarious because we all know most of us on the bus paid. 

I do know farebeating is way worse in the Bronx. 

Farebeating is pretty much an issue outside of Riverdale.  From what I've seen even on the local buses, most people pay. In the South Bronx however, the lines that I've used on the local lines, fare beating is rampant. On the express buses, it's not really such a problem in the Bronx or in Riverdale, though in Riverdale, we have a few regulars that are elderly that may just slip some change in. They may feel entitled to ride at a discount.

[trainfan22]

The damn SBS machines at Utica/ Ave H Kings Plaza bound are not even on and at the time the next 46 local was way in Crown Heights around Atlantic Ave, so I had no choice but to take the SBS without paying. 

 

 

Oh well.

[Armandito]

37 minutes ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Farebeating is pretty much an issue outside of Riverdale.  From what I've seen even on the local buses, most people pay. In the South Bronx however, the lines that I've used on the local lines, fare beating is rampant. On the express buses, it's not really such a problem in the Bronx or in Riverdale, though in Riverdale, we have a few regulars that are elderly that may just slip some change in. They may feel entitled to ride at a discount.

It would be ideal to station fare inspectors on each and every bus in the city to deter farebeating, but that's obviously out of the question because it would be way too cumbersome and expensive.

On the other hand, the five stations along the Dyre Avenue line are certainly breeding grounds for farebeaters late at night when the booths are closed and nobody's watching. And I've seen it happen infinite times whenever I take that train to work early in the morning or to arrive home late at night--some loafers from the street just jump over the turnstiles to take a joyride on the train despite the overhead signs saying "To enter customers must pay fare at turnstile at all times." And don't they realize there are cameras watching them too?

Anyway, here's a more feasible way to discourage farebeating on buses: making every passenger enter and exit through the front door and locking the back door--though I have to admit this would only work for non-SBS routes.

[Orion6025]

While we're sharing farebeating stories.. I was waiting at Jerome for a Bx18 bus down to the towers, one bus was MIA so a huge crowd built up on that tiny block. When the bus pulled into the stop, it was largely empty with only a few folks on board (Something like 6-8 sitting IIRC). By the time all of us made it on board, the bus was absolutely packed right up to both doors and i guarantee you no more than 15 people boarded through the front

[Armandito]

6 minutes ago, Orion6025 said:

While we're sharing farebeating stories.. I was waiting at Jerome for a Bx18 bus down to the towers, one bus was MIA so a huge crowd built up on that tiny block. When the bus pulled into the stop, it was largely empty with only a few folks on board (Something like 6-8 sitting IIRC). By the time all of us made it on board, the bus was absolutely packed right up to both doors and i guarantee you no more than 15 people boarded through the front

Why didn't the MTA eliminate the Bx18? Taking into account its lack of dependable service and low ridership numbers, that bus is terrible 

Edited December 20, 2018 by lara8710

[Lil 57]

2 hours ago, Future ENY OP said:

Is it a full exterior or the sticker outside the bus along with fare information. 

It's a bus celling ad.

[Orion6025]

18 minutes ago, lara8710 said:

Why didn't the MTA eliminate the Bx18? Taking into account its lack of dependable service and low ridership numbers, that bus is terrible 

From what I see, it serves two purposes: firstly as a supplement to the Bx40/42 in serving river towers. It flows more or less decent along Macombs road and if you're coming from manhattan and get lucky, you could save time riding the 18 as opposed to riding up to the 40/42 (which have their own reliability issues too). The majority of riders get off at the last stop before undercliff avenus. The second is that it serves the apartments/houses (and some shops) along Macombs Road and that tiny section of tremont avenue. Though it's not that much, this section of the 18 is basically what keeps it alive (not in the usage sense, but the fact that it's basically the only unduplicated section of the route). The short Tremont avenue section is also moderately hilly so the seniors may struggle there.

As for university avenue, it's technically a unique section but buses were getting empty by that point. And sedgwick is basically a ghost town

[Via Garibaldi 8]

2 minutes ago, lara8710 said:

It would be ideal to station fare inspectors on each and every bus in the city to deter farebeating, but that's obviously out of the question because it would be way too cumbersome and expensive.

On the other hand, the five stations along the Dyre Avenue line are certainly breeding grounds for farebeaters late at night when the booths are closed and nobody's watching. And I've seen it happen infinite times whenever I take that train to work early in the morning or to arrive home late at night--some loafers from the street just jump over the turnstiles to take a joyride on the train despite the overhead signs saying "To enter customers must pay fare at turnstile at all times." And don't they realize there are cameras watching them too?

Anyway, here's a more feasible way to discourage farebeating on buses: making every passenger enter and exit through the front door and locking the back door--though I have to admit this would only work for non-SBS routes.

Deterring farebeating is fairly simple. Step up the blitzes and people will be on guard. There's no consistency so that's why people are having a good old time not paying.  Why pay when you can ride for free?  Aside from that some people justify it by saying that service is horrible so why bother. It's also becoming rather expensive.  It used to be an easy decision when I had short weeks.  I would simply buy a pay-per-ride, but now sometimes I get the pass anyway because if I ride for four days and take say two more rides, it's almost the same thing.  $13.00 a day... That is basically part of a decent lunch.  Add a snack and drink and it's $20.00. Not too far off...

[Brillant93]

4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

Farebeating is pretty much an issue outside of Riverdale.  From what I've seen even on the local buses, most people pay. In the South Bronx however, the lines that I've used on the local lines, fare beating is rampant. On the express buses, it's not really such a problem in the Bronx or in Riverdale, though in Riverdale, we have a few regulars that are elderly that may just slip some change in. They may feel entitled to ride at a discount.

I assume once they roll out all door boarding farebeating will probably go down. Being how sometimes some people go through the back to avoid the line. 

[checkmatechamp13]

4 hours ago, Via Garibaldi 8 said:

On the express buses, it's not really such a problem in the Bronx or in Riverdale, though in Riverdale, we have a few regulars that are elderly that may just slip some change in. They may feel entitled to ride at a discount.

Off-peak, seniors ride for $3.75. They don't necessarily have to use the senior MetroCard (but they need some sort of ID to show they're over 65). But I'm sure most drivers don't bother to ask for ID if they look old enough.

Scroll to "How to pay with cash": http://web.mta.info/nyct/fare/rfindex.htm

4 hours ago, lara8710 said:

Anyway, here's a more feasible way to discourage farebeating on buses: making every passenger enter and exit through the front door and locking the back door--though I have to admit this would only work for non-SBS routes.

And service would end up being ridiculously slow. That's the whole purpose of the back door, so people getting out don't block people going in.

3 hours ago, lara8710 said:

Why didn't the MTA eliminate the Bx18? Taking into account its lack of dependable service and low ridership numbers, that bus is terrible 

Topographical reasons, that section of the West Bronx is very hilly.

[SevenEleven]

I had PD pull a farebeater off my bus today. Never saw it coming.

It was comedy

[Calvin]

There are scenarios when you get off an SBS route from point A to B, the ones standing by the doors ask you "May I have your receipt?" like you're giving away free movie tickets

Edited December 21, 2018 by Calvin

[Calvin]

Currently, 7684, 7686 is now an XD-40 while 7685 is still an VII CNG

[Via Garibaldi 8]

2 hours ago, checkmatechamp13 said:

Off-peak, seniors ride for $3.75. They don't necessarily have to use the senior MetroCard (but they need some sort of ID to show they're over 65). But I'm sure most drivers don't bother to ask for ID if they look old enough.

Scroll to "How to pay with cash": http://web.mta.info/nyct/fare/rfindex.htm

And service would end up being ridiculously slow. That's the whole purpose of the back door, so people getting out don't block people going in.

Topographical reasons, that section of the West Bronx is very hilly.

That wasn’t my point. It isn’t that they get a discount. It’s that they throw in a few coins, and certainly FAR less than half fare. When I say a few coins, I do mean a few and the driver waives them on.

Edited December 21, 2018 by Via Garibaldi 8

[Future ENY OP]

2 hours ago, Calvin said:

Currently, 7684, 7686 is now an XD-40 while 7685 is still an VII CNG

ENY already has 7684 and I believe it is an SBS. However, XD40 7685 is in New York City.

[Future ENY OP]

10 hours ago, Lil 57 said:

There starting to put farebeating ads on the buses. Most times the're the only ad.

On 12/2/2018 at 12:23 PM, Around the Horn said:

Picture source: @Around the Horn

 

@Lil 57: The ad in question that you saw earlier today was it like this picture or remotely close to this picture or the farebeating ad was inside the bus similar as the posters that you find with service advisories or informational stuff.

 

 

[WestFarms36]

7 minutes ago, Future ENY OP said:

Picture source: @Around the Horn

 

@Lil 57: The ad in question that you saw earlier today was it like this picture or remotely close to this picture or the farebeating ad was inside the bus similar as the posters that you find with service advisories or informational stuff.

 

 

They are inside the buses on the actual overhead advertising panels.

[Melbx15]

16 hours ago, Missabassie said:

This happens quite a bit on the BX15. I don't ride it a lot, but nearly everytime I do, rampant fare-beating..... This one time I counted 9 people coming in through the back door (D60HF) like it was a supermarket, and the BX36 is no better.

I can vouch for this especially on the bx15 at 149st, 169st & Treamont ave where it is bad 

[Melbx15]

3 hours ago, Calvin said:

Currently, 7684, 7686 is now an XD-40 while 7685 is still an VII CNG

I think the MTA should & should have renumbered CNG 7685 since it’s clearly gone be in service for a little while 

 

 

Not for nothing: 

but it’s gonna be weird seeing these numbers ( 76**,77** & 78**) on the XD40’s and in Brooklyn because for half of my life they been on the CNG’s and mostly in the Bronx 

Edited December 21, 2018 by Melbx15

[MysteriousBtrain]

5 minutes ago, Melbx15 said:

I think the MTA should & should have renumbered CNG 7685 since it’s clearly gone be in service for a little while 

 

 

Not for nothing: 

but it’s gonna be weird seeing these numbers ( 76**,77** & 78**) on the XD40’s and in Brooklyn because for half of my life they been on the CNG’s and mostly in the Bronx 

These CNG buses aren't going to be around much longer. By the end of next month, all of them should be gone.