bobtehpanda Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2801 Posted November 10, 2013 Let's hope this recession doesn't continue for that long lol. It just seems like a waste of Money and resources to me, IMO they should've used their $$ or should I say the taxpayers money to implement CBTC on the Lex a much more demanding line but whatever I'm happy for flushing riders... Lex is already getting a brand-new, two-track subway line two blocks away to deal with overcrowding. We can't let Manhattan get everything first. Also, CBTC would not help with the Lex, since the main congestion point regarding Lex trains would be Nostrand Av on the Brooklyn IRT line. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2802 Posted November 10, 2013 (edited) Bob's right...I completely forgot about the junction east of Franklin Avenue. One of the many reasons why the will not get CBTC until years later. And also don't forget, another thing is that the signaling system on the Pelham/Lexington lines aren't up for replacement yet (according to AndrewJC and Art Vandelay). Edited November 10, 2013 by RollOverMyHead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2803 Posted November 10, 2013 Lex is already getting a brand-new, two-track subway line two blocks away to deal with overcrowding. We can't let Manhattan get everything first. Also, CBTC would not help with the Lex, since the main congestion point regarding Lex trains would be Nostrand Av on the Brooklyn IRT line. You mean the one starting at earliest in 2017? I wouldn't exactly count that as an improvement given to Manhattan right now... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2804 Posted November 10, 2013 Are they running today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracamonte Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2805 Posted November 10, 2013 Yes. I caught one today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2806 Posted November 10, 2013 You mean the one starting at earliest in 2017? I wouldn't exactly count that as an improvement given to Manhattan right now... Because pouring nearly all of the city's capital construction money into Manhattan does not constitute an improvement, and therefore we need to pour more money in. It's the most expensive transit project in the world, at $1.7B/km (ESA would be the most expensive rail project in the world, at over $4B/km), and all the outer boroughs get are upgraded signals that allow squeezing a couple more trains though, and some buses with stickers and red paint on the roads. Surely you guys have the patience to wait. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHV9218 Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2807 Posted November 10, 2013 Because pouring nearly all of the city's capital construction money into Manhattan does not constitute an improvement, and therefore we need to pour more money in. It's the most expensive transit project in the world, at $1.7B/km (ESA would be the most expensive rail project in the world, at over $4B/km), and all the outer boroughs get are upgraded signals that allow squeezing a couple more trains though, and some buses with stickers and red paint on the roads. Surely you guys have the patience to wait. I find it a little ridiculous that you're trying to argue that Manhattan residents need to find the 'patience to wait' on the SAS. It's been planned for 84 years, under construction for 46 years...there is admittedly a Manhattan-centric bias with MTA projects, but this is not the example to make your case on that... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bracamonte Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2808 Posted November 10, 2013 So I took the R188 today. The door chime sounded the same as on the R160's instead of the version heard on the R142's and R142A's. I think of the R188's as the A Division version of the R160's, without the FIND displays. I'll post up pictures soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted November 10, 2013 Share #2809 Posted November 10, 2013 comeon you guys Queens deserve some respect, they got the least amount of subway, almost the most crowded subways, and the last one to get bus time and guide a ride. I think it deserves something new. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOPRO Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2810 Posted November 11, 2013 Fuss ? Nopeee not all lol , the crew actually really like working with the R62As and the Motorman prefer them then the R142A's due to the fact that R62As have a better breaking system . He was actually referring to a "supposed" fuss being made by crews to change back to transverse cabs and not the train. The cabs set up has more to do with what the Yard Dispatcher and the Maintenance Barn feels will work best and less to do with the crews. As for crews liking the R62A better because of "better braking system". I don't know who you are getting this info from but it's inaccurate. I'm not going to get into the opinions of the crews as that is in house information but you are not really reflecting anyone's views accurately. As for the braking....that's a matter of perspective based on any given situation. That's really all that needs to be said about that. Everything else is just speculation. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2811 Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) My final contribution of pics uploaded to this thread from this phenomenal weekend in history, to wrap things up: Edited November 11, 2013 by realizm 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2812 Posted November 11, 2013 Damn you always hit it right on the nose, Realizm. + 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2813 Posted November 11, 2013 Great Shots realism + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2814 Posted November 11, 2013 OMG did you stood on the platform to wait for these awesome trains! These pictures and background is perfect! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4P3607 Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2815 Posted November 11, 2013 How did I not run into you?!?! Nice pics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2816 Posted November 11, 2013 Excellent shots as usual! +1! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2817 Posted November 11, 2013 Thanks fellas! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScreechyFlange Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2818 Posted November 11, 2013 CBTC has grown the way it has for a reason. It started on the L because the Canarsie Line is isolated and only two tracks. The Flushing Line is next because while it is also isolated, it provides a bit more of a challenge for the computers by having to deal with express trains. CBTC on the Lexington, the most heavily used line in the system, is out of the question for the time being. Agreed, but couldn't something similar have been done atleast for the itself? It doesn't share tracks with the other Irt lines except for late nights or the for that matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Priincenene Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2819 Posted November 11, 2013 They so nice and shiny! Wonder when the swapping of the 62A's will happen? Nice Pics by the way (1+) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted November 11, 2013 Share #2820 Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) Agreed, but couldn't something similar have been done atleast for the itself? It doesn't share tracks with the other Irt lines except for late nights or the for that matter. It still has connections to the other IRT line remember if you put CBTC on the the whole LEX Av want to get it just in case the heads to BKLYN or Express. Also it shares with the which then we need to put CBTC on the woodlawn line also, and it gets complicated same goes for . The reason why the and gets it because the tracks are isolated and never share with any other trains. Edited November 11, 2013 by Mtatransit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2821 Posted November 12, 2013 Not really actually... The signalling system on the Lex is not up for replacement yet. I mean QB will be next due to it being the third corridor to have aging signals. The and , as said many times, got CBTC in part for being isolated. But also to replace aging signals. I'm just throwing out what some or most here are missing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mtatransit Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2822 Posted November 12, 2013 Also to throw this in, isn't almost every signal outside of the A div and the aging? Maybe its based on the demand first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2823 Posted November 12, 2013 I find it a little ridiculous that you're trying to argue that Manhattan residents need to find the 'patience to wait' on the SAS. It's been planned for 84 years, under construction for 46 years...there is admittedly a Manhattan-centric bias with MTA projects, but this is not the example to make your case on that... In the grand scheme of things, what is three to five years on a timeline of a century? With a capacity for 2400 people per train, at the Q's current frequency of 7tph, that is 16800 people per hour. Since the Q will no longer be constrained by the 60th St tubes, its biggest constraint will be shared track with the N (7 TPH). With B-Division signalling capacity topping out at 30 TPH, there is scope to significantly increase capacity once the Q is taken out of 60th St. Assuming a peak-hour capacity of 25 TPH (similar to what runs on the Lex Express today, with the complexities of the flat junction at Nostrand), the Q has the potential for 18 TPH capacity; 43200 people per hour. An additional 43200 people per hour on the East Side would be the biggest capacity improvement seen in a long time. In addition, a new line has other benefits; it decreases platform overcrowding on the Lex, increases property values and rents in the surrounding areas, and brings ADA accessibility to the East Side. And this is just phase 1. CBTC on the does none of this. Also to throw this in, isn't almost every signal outside of the A div and the aging? Maybe its based on the demand first. Yep. The and are both lines with few alternatives nearby to increase capacity, and Queens Blvd is the second most congested line after the Lex. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62AR33 Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2824 Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) They so nice and shiny! Wonder when the swapping of the 62A's will happen? Nice Pics by the way (1+) Ummm the R62As started swapping last january , thats why there are now 4 sets of R62As on the , the 4th set was transfered this weekend and i caught it today its 1716-1720 and 1831-1835 Edited November 12, 2013 by R62AR33 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted November 12, 2013 Share #2825 Posted November 12, 2013 Actually that set went up Thursday night. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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