pelhamfrank dyre av Posted June 23, 2014 Share #26 Posted June 23, 2014 They should stop sending trains to Rockaway Park, and have trains that go to Far Rockaway drop passengers off at Broad Channel for the to Rockaway Park. Better yet they should stop sending trains to lefferts boulevard, and have the go there instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted June 23, 2014 Share #27 Posted June 23, 2014 Better yet they should stop sending trains to lefferts boulevard, and have the go there instead Not happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelhamfrank dyre av Posted June 23, 2014 Share #28 Posted June 23, 2014 Not happening. why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted June 23, 2014 Share #29 Posted June 23, 2014 why? Because the stations on the Lefferts branch isn't exactly high enough for a 10 minute headway provided by the , according to your proposal.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lupojohn Posted June 23, 2014 Share #30 Posted June 23, 2014 They should stop sending trains to Rockaway Park, and have trains that go to Far Rockaway drop passengers off at Broad Channel for the to Rockaway Park. They do. I got off an at Broad Channel that was going to Far Rockaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted June 23, 2014 Share #31 Posted June 23, 2014 They should stop sending trains to Rockaway Park, and have trains that go to Far Rockaway drop passengers off at Broad Channel for the to Rockaway Park. They do. I got off an at Broad Channel that was going to Far Rockaway. It's only five trains per day (AM peak coming to Manhattan and PM peak coming back from Manhattan)....not a big deal really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N6 Limited Posted June 23, 2014 Share #32 Posted June 23, 2014 There have been times where I've seen 2 or 3 trains before an shows up. If you're on Fulton St, and a comes first you might as well get on. ©'s have been more reliable lately. On 8th ave an is much more likely to show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted June 24, 2014 Share #33 Posted June 24, 2014 Here's my intake on this The needs more cars period, I have no idea why the would make such a dumb choice by making most of the R179 order 4 car sets, also the needs to run into midnight instead of 10:30, the ridership is still high on 8th ave/fulton between 59th CC and Broadway Junction Now for the Equipment, they need to quit playing games and upgrade 207th's inspection Barns for NTT's, the current swap shows that both can do good with half of the R160's, keep the R32's in the east since they breakdown less out there As for the that whole line needs an upgrade, those R46's SUCK on the , They're slow as shit, meanwhile the jamaica R46's are faster, that whole can't run NTT's in the Rockaways is complete Bullshit, i've seen R188's running up and down between rock pk and far rock during testing, give the R160's already but in reality i think they'll just add more trains to the (staying 8 cars) with increased headways instead of every 10 mintues, it would be every 5 mins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeesPwnMets Posted June 24, 2014 Share #34 Posted June 24, 2014 A. I believe the R179s were ordered as four car sets in order to allow for fleet expansion once the begins service on Second Av (still a little fuzzy on this one.. someone want to clear this up for me?). I do agree with extending night service on the , however. B. Yeah, the R32s definitely handle better out on the because the line is elevated for a majority of the route. However, I don't think ENY is willing to deal with the being completely R32s. C. I believe the voltage issue in the Rockaways has been solved but if you want the to get R160s, what line are you going to take R160s away from? why? People on the Lefferts branch won't appreciate it if you only provide them direct local service. Not to mention extending the several more stops will only extend wait times for riders. The only goes to Lefferts during delays with on the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 24, 2014 Share #35 Posted June 24, 2014 Those Rock Park Showcase Specials aren't going anywhere. Rock Park has a yard that those trains lay up at, so it's more practical to send them directly there. People on the Lefferts branch won't appreciate it if you only provide them direct local service. Not to mention extending the several more stops will only extend wait times for riders. The only goes to Lefferts during delays with on the So what? What makes people at THREE stations so much more important than anywhere else in the city? It's already overkill that they get nearly 50% of the service during the day, meanwhile JFK airport and the casino have 16+ minute waits all day. I say send the to Lefferts during the day, send every other to JFK for a short turn (and end all of this confusion with out-of-towners ending up on the platform at Lefferts because they weren't paying attention), and keep the Lefferts shuttle at night when the stops running. And yeah, have the run an extra hour later.Also if the went to Lefferts, then customers on that branch would get 10 minute service instead of 16+, so it would actually be an IMPROVEMENT. And for those who can't stand to ride the local, let them wait at Rockaway Blvd for either the next coming from either JFK or the Rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted June 24, 2014 Share #36 Posted June 24, 2014 Those Rock Park Showcase Specials aren't going anywhere. Rock Park has a yard that those trains lay up at, so it's more practical to send them directly there. So what? What makes people at THREE stations so much more important than anywhere else in the city? It's already overkill that they get nearly 50% of the service during the day, meanwhile JFK airport and the casino have 16+ minute waits all day. I say send the to Lefferts during the day, send every other to JFK for a short turn (and end all of this confusion with out-of-towners ending up on the platform at Lefferts because they weren't paying attention), and keep the Lefferts shuttle at night when the stops running. And yeah, have the run an extra hour later. Also if the went to Lefferts, then customers on that branch would get 10 minute service instead of 16+, so it would actually be an IMPROVEMENT. And for those who can't stand to ride the local, let them wait at Rockaway Blvd for either the next coming from either JFK or the Rock. Give Lefferts some rush hour trains so they can have a direct express, every other then would go to Rockaway Park and the would technically run 24/7 as it would be the Lefferts Shuttle overnight. Rockaway Park Shuttle would run overnight as an shuttle. The Lefferts will still get people to JFK if they take the Q10 or Q10 LTD bus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowblock Posted June 24, 2014 Share #37 Posted June 24, 2014 Every other to Rock Park is OVERKILL. That would mean that every single run (except for a couple of Lefferts trains) would be 90+ minutes. And once one of the drawbridges goes up, you'd then lose ALL of your service. It would make way more sense to alternate Far Rock and JFK as terminals, and keep the Rock Park shuttle, with a couple of rush hour showcases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 24, 2014 Share #38 Posted June 24, 2014 Those Rock Park Showcase Specials aren't going anywhere. Rock Park has a yard that those trains lay up at, so it's more practical to send them directly there. So what? What makes people at THREE stations so much more important than anywhere else in the city? It's already overkill that they get nearly 50% of the service during the day, meanwhile JFK airport and the casino have 16+ minute waits all day. I say send the to Lefferts during the day, send every other to JFK for a short turn (and end all of this confusion with out-of-towners ending up on the platform at Lefferts because they weren't paying attention), and keep the Lefferts shuttle at night when the stops running. And yeah, have the run an extra hour later. Also if the went to Lefferts, then customers on that branch would get 10 minute service instead of 16+, so it would actually be an IMPROVEMENT. And for those who can't stand to ride the local, let them wait at Rockaway Blvd for either the next coming from either JFK or the Rock. I think it would make more since to send trains to lefferts during the day and trains to JFK or Far Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Union Tpke Posted June 24, 2014 Share #39 Posted June 24, 2014 I agree that the C should go to Lefferts with the A alternating between JFK and Mott Av Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BM5 via Woodhaven Posted June 24, 2014 Share #40 Posted June 24, 2014 Those Rock Park Showcase Specials aren't going anywhere. Rock Park has a yard that those trains lay up at, so it's more practical to send them directly there. So what? What makes people at THREE stations so much more important than anywhere else in the city? It's already overkill that they get nearly 50% of the service during the day, meanwhile JFK airport and the casino have 16+ minute waits all day. I say send the to Lefferts during the day, send every other to JFK for a short turn (and end all of this confusion with out-of-towners ending up on the platform at Lefferts because they weren't paying attention), and keep the Lefferts shuttle at night when the stops running. And yeah, have the run an extra hour later. Also if the went to Lefferts, then customers on that branch would get 10 minute service instead of 16+, so it would actually be an IMPROVEMENT. And for those who can't stand to ride the local, let them wait at Rockaway Blvd for either the next coming from either JFK or the Rock. This. Those residents also have the QM15 and the BM5 if they want express service directly to the city, or they can transfer to the if it shows up at an express station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46Dover Posted June 25, 2014 Share #41 Posted June 25, 2014 This. Those residents also have the QM15 and the BM5 if they want express service directly to the city, or they can transfer to the if it shows up at an express station. This \o/......(always wanted to do that ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R10 2952 Posted June 25, 2014 Share #42 Posted June 25, 2014 Or they could just try to make the a bit faster. I mean, some of those timers are legit, but there are others that are just complete BS from what I've heard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XcelsiorBoii4888 Posted June 25, 2014 Share #43 Posted June 25, 2014 Why does it need timers? The , in Manhattan don't have it, the , in Manhattan don't have them, nor the in Brooklyn, or in Brooklyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollOver Posted June 25, 2014 Share #44 Posted June 25, 2014 Anywho, the Rockaway Park Shuttle should always comes first at Broad Channel, then a 3 minute wait for the northbound . Same how the Far Rock-bound should come at Broad Channel first, then a 3 minute wait for the shuttle. Several times I've waited 20 minutes for the next after getting off the terminating shuttle at Broad Channel. Why does it need timers? The , in Manhattan don't have it, the , in Manhattan don't have them, nor the in Brooklyn, or in Brooklyn. You've never encounter the timers on the between 25th and 36th southbound? What about the northbound between 45th and 36th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biGC323232 Posted June 25, 2014 Share #45 Posted June 25, 2014 Anywho, the Rockaway Park Shuttle should always comes first at Broad Channel, then a 3 minute wait for the northbound . Same how the Far Rock-bound should come at Broad Channel first, then a 3 minute wait for the shuttle. Several times I've waited 20 minutes for the next after getting off the terminating shuttle at Broad Channel. You've never encounter the timers on the between 25th and 36th southbound? What about the northbound between 45th and 36th? I agree....Especially on late nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realizm Posted June 25, 2014 Share #46 Posted June 25, 2014 You've never encounter the timers on the between 25th and 36th southbound? What about the northbound between 45th and 36th? Yup. BMT junkie here, I guess the reason for the timers in that area, between 25th Street and 36th Street downtown is to prevent station overuns. Same with the timers between Union and Pacific. The express run between 36th and Pacific is a definite speed zone where the trains will hit 45-50 MPH as per a T/O that works on the South Brooklyn BMT. Plus I ride it almost every day to escape Brooklyn. The timers between 45th (Why all the way back at 45th? Makes no sense! Better that they had only installed the switches after 53rd Street) and 36th is protect the West End Line switches. The D has to go down a very steep downgrade right into switches. In the opposite direction on that section of 4th Ave its the opposite, a fast run on the N Sea Beach Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtehpanda Posted June 25, 2014 Share #47 Posted June 25, 2014 Well, it tells them how much they should add in terms of service... it's not as if the MTA can just all of a sudden drop 5TPH in and call it a day. The car issue is mostly due to the faster-than-planned retirement of the other old car series; out of all of them, the R32 was supposedly holding up the best (which isn't saying much, but still.). With the R179 coming online in a few years, that should be resolved within the next five years. But they already have ridership numbers and know what sort of capacity those lines are at currently, so I don't see why they need to do a study to figure that out. I mean it's not as if the line is the busiest corridor in the system. If it were the Lexington line then I could understand, but as far as I'm concerned, waiting instead of just adding more service where possible seems like a waste. Long term though they will need to address the growth along that line, so they will definitely need to look at new technology to increase capacity and DEFINITELY need new cars on both lines. I've started having to take the C or G to Brooklyn for work purposes recently, and I have to say that the C seems to be a little more consistent and less delay prone than the G. Keep in mind, though, I'm taking the C mostly off peak so that is not representative of the whole problem. still, especially with the 160's on it, I prefer the C to the G Like VG8 posted, I feel that instead of waiting for the results of a whole study to come in, they should at least add in another train or two at the next pick to help reduce the problem a little (assuming they aren't at capacity already at peak times). Exactly.... Unfortunately, MTA has sunk into a bean-counting malaise due to the economy and political pressure (not entirely a bad thing), so there is pressure to waste as little as possible. That being said, the Metrocard data is not very fine-grained. For instance, it says a lot about where journeys start, but not where they end, or where passengers stand and sit during the ride. It makes a difference if there's a lot of people doing short journeys, or a smaller amount taking much longer trips. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Via Garibaldi 8 Posted June 25, 2014 Share #48 Posted June 25, 2014 Unfortunately, MTA has sunk into a bean-counting malaise due to the economy and political pressure (not entirely a bad thing), so there is pressure to waste as little as possible. That being said, the Metrocard data is not very fine-grained. For instance, it says a lot about where journeys start, but not where they end, or where passengers stand and sit during the ride. It makes a difference if there's a lot of people doing short journeys, or a smaller amount taking much longer trips. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk This is true, but they still can get a certain amount of info. by just looking at the numbers and going from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jsunflyguy Posted June 25, 2014 Share #49 Posted June 25, 2014 I suppose the study will also recommend the riders move to the North end of the stations. The south cars are crushloaded thanks to The Junction and Franklin. The other cars are less congested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted June 25, 2014 Share #50 Posted June 25, 2014 Or they could just try to make the a bit faster. I mean, some of those timers are legit, but there are others that are just complete BS from what I've heard... True! I've seen them on at least one uphill stretch, on a very mild curve. Makes you slow down to 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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